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PLEASE explain why you need more battery, I beg you. Did you forget that you have to take off your watch to go to sleep anyway?!

Are you saying you don't sleep I guess? If you are putting it down, it will be charged. How hard is it to understand? What am I missing?

How hard is it to understand that I would like to never charge the thing? :rolleyes:
 
  1. If you forget once, you're screwed for the whole day ahead.
  2. If one day is the average, then that means it will be considerably less with heavy use.
  3. The total capacity of a lithium battery diminishes over time, and I'm not keen on replacing my accessories as often as the phone itself.
  4. Having to take it off when you sleep means you can't use sleep monitoring apps.
 
  1. If you forget once, you're screwed for the whole day ahead.
  2. If one day is the average, then that means it will be considerably less with heavy use.
  3. The total capacity of a lithium battery diminishes over time, and I'm not keen on replacing my accessories as often as the phone itself.
  4. Having to take it off when you sleep means you can't use sleep monitoring apps.
Excellent points.

Apple should've called it the ":apple: bracelet" and avoid using the word "watch" especially since telling time seems to be the least of its functions.
 
Here's the problem.

You have to remove the watch and attach a charger to the back of it while it's charging. And you have to do this for some period of time every day.

This makes the watch unusable for those periods of time. Whether you remove it overnight or at some point during the day, it's then useless.

This is not the case for the iPhone. You can charge an iPhone in a car charger, wall charger or connected to a computer and still use it.

You can still use it, just not on your wrist (just like the iPhone tethered to the wall). But nobody would do this anyway if they can just use the iPhone instead.

I've always removed my watch at bedtime so clearly people who want the Apple Watch will have to do this until wireless charging becomes available in a future iteration.
 
  1. If you forget once, you're screwed for the whole day ahead.


  1. I'd surely prefer a longer battery life, but If I forget to charge my phone, I'm screwed, too, and I'd be charging them together every night. Plus, I'm sure they're be car charging options and such, if one is in a bind.

    Oddly enough, it's almost more confusing to charge my Pebble, because I'm never quite sure how long it's going to last, and, if I go a couple of days without charging, I may forget to charge it. I usually just end up charging it everyday, anyways, so that I'm on a consistent schedule. I also never sleep with it on.
 
I'd surely prefer a longer battery life, but If I forget to charge my phone, I'm screwed, too, and I'd be charging them together every night. Plus, I'm sure they're be car charging options and such, if one is in a bind.

Oddly enough, it's almost more confusing to charge my Pebble, because I'm never quite sure how long it's going to last, and, if I go a couple of days without charging, I may forget to charge it. I usually just end up charging it everyday, anyways, so that I'm on a consistent schedule. I also never sleep with it on.

Yeah, but with the phone you can tap up in between uses. The whole point of the watch is supposed to be that it's always on you. (You can't even tether yourself with the way the :apple:Watch was designed to charge)

Also it means having to carry another charging cable.
 
PLEASE explain why you need more battery, I beg you. Did you forget that you have to take off your watch to go to sleep anyway?!

Are you saying you don't sleep I guess? If you are putting it down, it will be charged. How hard is it to understand? What am I missing?

I have a Pebble now. At home, I do plug it in to charge every night.

But I go on business trips that may last 2-3 days. My Pebble lasts that whole time no problem. I don't need to bring one more custom cable to charge.

I go camping with my family for long weekends - 3 days. My Pebble lasts that whole time no problem. I don't even have electrical outlets nearby. Because I'm using my phone much less, my phone battery tends to last the whole long weekend just fine, too. But because I *DO* glance at my watch reasonably often (and have useful watch apps like tide tables and other camping-useful apps,) the fact that the Apple Watch (like the Samsung Galaxy Gear) will likely last less than 24 hours of wearing on a full charge makes it a deal-breaker. Even if I turn it off at night, that's still less than two "daytime" days of use.

The :apple:Watch looks like a great iPhone accessory, it really does. But gen1 is just too green for my use case. (As are all of the current Galaxy Gear watches, and the Moto360.) So far, the only smartwatch that meets my needs is the Pebble. I can't wait for Apple (or anyone else) to come out with a higher-function one that:
1. isn't gigantic (Moto360 and :apple:Watch both fit the bill,)
2. has at least 3 days of battery life with moderate use.

Being "always on" is a bonus - I know the "wrist movement detection" of the Pebble to turn on the backlight isn't that great, and friends with Galaxy Gear have similar complaints - so being on all the time is helpful because it means I don't have to wiggle my wrist "just right" to see the time.
 
Yeah, but with the phone you can tap up in between uses. The whole point of the watch is supposed to be that it's always on you. (You can't even tether yourself with the way the :apple:Watch was designed to charge)

Also it means having to carry another charging cable.

I really almost never tap up my phone, unless I talk on it for a long time. I have a dock on my bedside table, and it gets charged every single night without fail. I'm not sure that I've ever forgotten even one time. Even if I somehow forget to charge the watch, having a dead watch isn't as critical as having a dead phone.

I'm not saying any of this is ideal. It's just not a deal breaker, for me, and battery life will improve in later versions.
 
Please explain why you need more battery, I beg you

I really almost never tap up my phone, unless I talk on it for a long time. I have a dock on my bedside table, and it gets charged every single night without fail. I'm not sure that I've ever forgotten even one time. Even if I somehow forget to charge the watch, having a dead watch isn't as critical as having a dead phone.

I'm not saying any of this is ideal. It's just not a deal breaker, for me, and battery life will improve in later versions.

Perhaps; History shows that second gen Apple devices tend to be considerably better than the first.

BTW, I charge my Pebble when the meter drops to 20% (which is usually after about 5-6 days of use for me). It helps to have a watch face that shows the battery life.
 
Perhaps; History shows that second gen Apple devices tend to be considerably better than the first.

BTW, I charge my Pebble when the meter drops to 20% (which is usually after about 5-6 days of use for me). It helps to have a watch face that shows the battery life.

Yeah, as I said, I just charged mine every night, so I didn't have to worry about it.
 
PLEASE explain why you need more battery, I beg you. Did you forget that you have to take off your watch to go to sleep anyway?!

Are you saying you don't sleep I guess? If you are putting it down, it will be charged. How hard is it to understand? What am I missing?

When Samsung released the original Gear, they got absolutely panned for, among other things, only having a one day battery life (including on this very forum in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1631127/ ), so I guess it really is a problem for some people if they're also calling Apple out for the same thing. Personally, if a watch can last a full day (as in 24 hours), then I'd be fine with it and would probably charge it every night even if it lasted 3 days
 
Smartphones are ubiquitous. They are everywhere, and people are on them all the time. The number of times per month when you can't look at a smartphone are nil. Other than personnel interviews and a movie theater, I can't think of a single time in the past six months when I couldn't look at a smartphone. Your factual predicate is false.

Further, all the things you mentioned are done by iPhone, as a standalone device with good battery life.

None of the things you mentioned can be done by Apple Watch as a standalone device, with horrible battery life.

As currently constituted, the entire thing is pointless. Until it can contain its own cellular radios and transmit/receive independently of iPhone, the device is a brick sans tether. And paying for and carrying around two devices, only one of which is necessary, is stupid.

Ok, I see you're just needlessly hating, so I'll leave you to it.
 
  1. If you forget once, you're screwed for the whole day ahead.
  2. If one day is the average, then that means it will be considerably less with heavy use.
  3. The total capacity of a lithium battery diminishes over time, and I'm not keen on replacing my accessories as often as the phone itself.
  4. Having to take it off when you sleep means you can't use sleep monitoring apps.

These are bogus points.

• Do you forget to charge your phone too? No. You do that every night.
• How do you know the one day metric is already factoring in heavy use. No one knows at this point, don't hate based on speculation.
• That's the life of all high end gadgets. All iphones suffer from this. After the first year use you get sub-one day battery life. It's a pain but you have to deal with it.
• Sorry that's never a focus for this product.
 
You can still use it, just not on your wrist (just like the iPhone tethered to the wall). But nobody would do this anyway if they can just use the iPhone instead.

If you can't use it on your wrist, and you also can't use any of the biometric functions an you can't use any of the functions that require movement, what are you actually left with? With an iPhone, you can use 100% of the functions while it's charging. With the Apple Watch, you can only use a fraction of the functions.
 
Yup, and then you add putting credit cards into it with Apple pay...dealing with a dead phone at the end of the day is one thing (communication, GPS, etc.), but also not having a way to pay for things. That would be something else entirely.
Use money?

Only one day battery life would be a deal breaker for me :(
 
If you can't use it on your wrist, and you also can't use any of the biometric functions an you can't use any of the functions that require movement, what are you actually left with? With an iPhone, you can use 100% of the functions while it's charging. With the Apple Watch, you can only use a fraction of the functions.

There's more to just biometric functions. Maybe some people care about those things but I personally don't. I want the :apple: Watch for being able to initiate Apple Pay, check texts/email, use turn-by-turn Maps, etc. all without taking the iPhone out of my pocket.

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Yup, and then you add putting credit cards into it with Apple pay...dealing with a dead phone at the end of the day is one thing (communication, GPS, etc.), but also not having a way to pay for things. That would be something else entirely.

Until contactless payment reaches mass adoption, we'll have to carry physical cards anyway. Maybe consider the Coin card to consolidate the number of cards you need to carry in the meantime?
 
These are bogus points.

• Do you forget to charge your phone too? No. You do that every night.
• How do you know the one day metric is already factoring in heavy use. No one knows at this point, don't hate based on speculation.
• That's the life of all high end gadgets. All iphones suffer from this. After the first year use you get sub-one day battery life. It's a pain but you have to deal with it.
• Sorry that's never a focus for this product.
They're not "bogus points"... just not important to you. In much the same way as raising the point of a "weekend camping trip" or even "a short trip requiring bring a charger" would be dismissed by you as bogus as well. :shrug:

You've already determined that there are no valid reasons for needing battery life longer than a day therefore any and all reasons will be dismissed.
 
These are bogus points.

• Do you forget to charge your phone too? No. You do that every night.
Phones can be charged between uses. A watch needs to be on your wrist continuously between uses. (Otherwise it's pointless)

Not to mention the fact that Pebble has already set the metric for good battery life on a Smartwatch.


• How do you know the one day metric is already factoring in heavy use. No one knows at this point, don't hate based on speculation.
Because the metric for measuring battery life is fairly standardized. And no company, not even Apple, is going to tell you how quickly the battery drains in heavy use.
• That's the life of all high end gadgets. All iphones suffer from this. After the first year use you get sub-one day battery life. It's a pain but you have to deal with it.
This is, for the most part, not a standalone device. It's an accessory. And accessories don't get replaced as often. Therefor the battery decay is more of an issue.

• Sorry that's never a focus for this product.
Health/fitness is one of the big focuses of this devices (Hence the sensors), and sleep monitoring is a big part of that market.
 
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PLEASE explain why you need more battery, I beg you. Did you forget that you have to take off your watch to go to sleep anyway?!

Are you saying you don't sleep I guess? If you are putting it down, it will be charged. How hard is it to understand? What am I missing?

Very simple reasons...

1) I travel on business often and it means yet another charger to keep (and buy) in my travel cable bag and yet another device to keep charged between hotels.

2) I make regular day trips to other cities; 5am start and not returning until 10pm that same night. I have to keep a portable charger with me as it is for the iPhone.
 
So there has been a lot of talk and speculation about the apple watch not having enough battery (2-5 days)....Here is my argument.....

Firstly I believe that either the watch should have a 20-24 hour battery life or a 5 day battery life, anything in the middle doesnt cut it. This has been apples philosophy with the iphones too. I own a nike fuel band and that lasts 5 days on a single charge so I remember to charge it on a weekly basis. If the apple watch had a 2day battery life then it will be very hard for people to remember when to charge it and when not to. This will be a major inconvenience for a lot of customers coz individual mileage varies and having a watch run for more than a day is going to leave a lot of people with blank screens in the middle of the day (you can imagine many scenarios). Rather its better to charge it every night coz people are already in the habit of charging at least one gadget every night. Apple uses the 90-90 rule ( what 90% customers use 90% of the time) so we are unfortunately left out but thats the case with iphones too. My iphone can barely get me through a day but for 90%of the people it does. Apple knows that there is no point in giving the iphone a battery that lasts more than a day. Charging any device every 2 days just doesnt make sense from an average customers point of view.

So I believe that currently apple is trying to nail that 16-20hr heavy usage scenario and nothing more than that coz 5 day battery life is impossible with current limitations in technology. So we just have to bite the pill and accept it.
 
Use money?

Only one day battery life would be a deal breaker for me :(

"Money?" I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar. Is that the flemsey little peices of green paper I've seen the elderly using from time to time?

In all seriousness, I agree, but that's not what Apple's sales pitch about Apple Pay & Apple Watch would like for us to think on.
 
Did you forget that you have to take off your watch to go to sleep anyway?!

I currently wear a watch, and it doesn't really leave my wrist 24/7 unless I get tired of it and want to put another one of my watches on. Yes, I sleep with it on. If I wake up in the middle of the night or when I wake in the morning, I just glance at my wrist to see what time it is.
 
If you want it as a fitness tracker, you will want more battery life. Many of the current fitness trackers are meant to be slept with so that they can analyze your sleep patterns.
 
People need to calm down.

The battery will be fully charged at the end of your lunch break. This is a tiny battery!

I really don't see the issue here. It will also almost certainly not need a whole night to fully charge.
 
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