go read some howardforums. AT&T is supporting several old technologies on it's cell network and they have to support them. they can't just add towers anywhere either since you first have to lease the land, get permission to dig and run network lines to your towers, provision electricity, etc. you're probably talking at least a year of work per tower
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POLL: iPhone 4G on Verizon in the U.S.A. What will you do?
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go read some howardforums. AT&T is supporting several old technologies on it's cell network and they have to support them. they can't just add towers anywhere either since you first have to lease the land, get permission to dig and run network lines to your towers, provision electricity, etc. you're probably talking at least a year of work per tower
Fart out my mouth and burp out my butt, because apparently we're in imagination land.
EDIT, To stay on topic: If it does in fact happen, I will not be affected in the least.
Let's say you have 2,000 rollover minutes. If you switch to the 700 minute plan, your rollover minutes will drop from 2,000 to 700.
If you were to only have 500 rollover minutes banked up, your rollover minutes would stay the same if you dropped down to the 700 minute plan. AT&T does this to prevent people from using a really high plan and banking up thousands upon thousands of minutes and then dropping down way below their expected usage to simply use rollover minutes.
And for those who are going to read this and say, "Well that's stupid, those are MY minutes blah blah blah." They were given to you as a bonus for being with AT&T. Verizon and Sprint don't even offer them, so quit complaining.
Thanks, nehunte, I was wondering how it worked. I figured they did something like that... which is better than losing all of your roll over minutes.
I will gladly listen to what you have to say if in fact you work for AT&T. What I told you is in fact what I was told by two different managers. You think I am making this up for my health? lol
If you are right, you can tell AT&T that their employees are idiots that don't know any of their policies and are very poorly informed (not necessarily you). It wouldn't be the first time I talked to them and they had no idea what was going on!
+1 ^^^ AT&T's policy is exactly as stated. Recently, AT&T took 7,000 rollover minutes without reason and left me with 1,500 rollover minutes. They said they were sorry, but they couldn't give me my 7,000 rollover minutes, so they said they'll give me back 6,000 and eliminate the deduction of minutes over the next 12 months (something about minutes I received last year August '08 are deducted August '09). Basically, giving me more minutes over the next year and NOT deducting anything. Currently at 10,000+ rollover minutes....
I'm also leaning towards a Verizon iPhone in 2010; just watch how things go in China....
We don't have 3G in my area, and we won't have 4G for a long time either. So I couldn't care less about 4G, as it will have absolutely no impact on me. I've been a satisfied ATT customer for a long time and I'm sticking with them unless/until there's a good reason to switch. And this ain't it.
well unlike most of you i have both carries as we speak. in my area my service on both phones are nice. have not been out of town with at&t yet but will find out. i do think the iphone will eventually be on VZW because they are a big company who is kicking themselves in the backside because they thought having all the control would benefit them and no one would buy it. as you see they screwed that up big time lol. so to make up it will be there it is just a matter of time. i would have to see what ridiculous restrictions would be on the phone and forced spending on the bill they will try to implement(vzw). i hate to put it out there but for some reason i think if the iphone goes to VZW, they would do their best to prevent jailbreaks. i just have that feeling, sorry to be that way.
4G doesn't mean anything. Ask a 3G user.
Big friggin' deal, 4G! Doesn't mean squat. 3G speeds never have been, nor will be 3G as advertised, so to speak of 4G like it means something is a joke.
Big friggin' deal, 4G! Doesn't mean squat. 3G speeds never have been, nor will be 3G as advertised, so to speak of 4G like it means something is a joke.
If you people bitch about 3G coverage now just wait for 4G coverage. You'll be switching between GPRS/EDGE/UMTS (3G)/4G or maybe 1xRTT/EVDO/4G so much you'll think it's an animated gif put up there by apple as a joke.
I think Verizon would be a great choice. They demand control over their phones just like Apple demands control over the iPhone. No Google Voice, no Slingbox, no Bluetooth sharing files, music, etc...
Don't get me wrong, I love my phone, but despise Apple for their control.
Then you are not supposed to have one. One of the reasons behind the iPhone's success is how tightly Apple has controlled the ecosystem. I like the OS to work when it needs to (I don't want a buggy OS). Apple's strict control helps that.
Also, Verizon will not be a better choice. Their network will fall just as AT&T's did initially. Now, AT&T has learned and are taking measures to make things right. Sure they cost loads of critiques and stuff, but they now have a better prep'd network than what Verizon has.
Imagine having to deal, maintain and up keep a network that handles 74% of the US Mobile Internet traffic. Not an easy job, yet people fail to realize this fact.
Verizon does not control their smartphones. Owners can use Slingbox on 3G, download any apps or music or whatever, use BT keyboards and share files... you name it.
(They used to keep the GPS locked to their own apps, because their GPS chips used to require network cooperation to work. That's been changed.)
Of course, who knows what they'd say about Sling with 10 million iPhone users
Currently the Verizon Network is much better than the AT&T network where I live. However, if AT&T makes some upgrades by the time Verizon gets the iPhone, I'd be happy to stay put. But if Verizon offered the iPhone tomorrow, I'd get out of my AT&T contract immediately and switch back. I'm only on AT&T because of the iPhone. I have had no problems with them, other than the fact that the coverage is not as good here, and it's not 3G, only edge. Verizon has great coverage here (Alltel actually), and 3G. However, if Verizon crippled the iPhone like it does with other phones, and if they charge ridiculous fees for data, I'll stay put despite the slower, worse network.
Verizon does not control their smartphones. Owners can use Slingbox on 3G, download any apps or music or whatever, use BT keyboards and share files... you name it.
(They used to keep the GPS locked to their own apps, because their GPS chips used to require network cooperation to work. That's been changed.)
Of course, who knows what they'd say about Sling with 10 million iPhone users
verizon doesn't care about slingbox because a lot of it departments are Nazis with their blackberry restrictions. And any bb on bes goes to the owner's corporate network for data
Hate to be repetitious, but you guys keep worrying about the same bogus thing.
Verizon doesn't mess with their smartphones. And their data plan is $30.
ATT's terms forbid slinging video or using VOIP. Verizon's data plan permits them:
PS. It really seems ironic that people would worry over someone forcing them into a single look and feel, or limited Bluetooth... and then consider an iPhone, which is far and away the most company-controlled smartphone. Weird !
That's funny, do I not pay for those minutes every month???
I don't care what other networks do, did I pay for them or not?I just wanted to thank you for saying "COULDN'T CARE LESS" lol!
I hate when people say "COULD" care less. Now the ain't....... hmm.... 
I just wanted to thank you for saying "COULDN'T CARE LESS" lol!
Haha. That's funny. I seriously read that about four times and thought about it for about two minutes before I continued to read the two sentences you wrote (quoted above). haha. I could care less because I do care.
I couldn't care less about the rollover minutes. I don't even use what I have. Darn AT&T post-paid plans! I need a pay-as-you-go for voice minutes. I pay $30 for data and $15 for text because I use them!!!! But I barely use voice minutes at all.
Really?
This is the first I've heard of AT&T being unable to support the iPhone and its bandwidth needs, in fact I've been quite happy with AT&T from both a network provider and from a customer support perspective. To that end I'd have a hard time jumping ship to verizon.
Besides, verizon has always demanded the phone manufacturers to cripple their phone in some ways be it shutting off features, or beng able to leverage the full use of them. What about their rules about having all apps on the verizon store instead of the apple app store? seems counter to what apple wants.
I think you'll have more of a chance to see the palm pre on verizon in 2010 then the iPhon
Verizon prevents nothing on their current smartphones, so that's not a problem. We should be worried more about if/when Apple will stop crippling their Bluetooth stacks, or if they will finally allow more personalization.
That's not correct information. Verizon allows any smartphone apps from any store. It's Apple that allows only a single store... their own.
It's true. In certain cities ATT's service is non-existent at times. San-Fran comes to mind immediately. If you travel a lot you'll confront this smack dab at exactly the worst possible time. Now where I live in DC I can't complain. Atlanta is pretty good too. FL is not bad except most of the panhandle is EDGE only.
If I lived in an area where ATT was pathetic (like SF), yeah, I'd switch in two secs. But I have no reason to switch where I live. Personally, I find Verizon, as a company, backward, arrogant and, at times, incompetent, and certainly consumer unfriendly. I have them for my reg phone and DSL. Of course, my only other option there is Comcast, so it's a matter of picking the devil easiest to deal with.
The only way I'd switch is if either ATT was more expensive than Verizon (doubtful) or ATT's LTE service did not meet my needs 98.1% of the time.
i see there is alot of talk about the little things. VZW does tend to cripple their smartphones/ppc's. hell the little simple flip phones cant even BT ringtones. all of that has to come or go through VZW store. i say it depends on your area. i am in chicago so you can go ahead and pick your poison here. mainly all the big dogs have nice service here, tmobile, att, sprint and vzw. just who you want ***** you is the question you ask yourself.
The LTE 4G network is not going to be in many cities next year from what I have read. Secondly, I'm not sure if the speed alone would be worth it to me.
Verizon is known for limiting your access to a lot of the phone's functions, and even if they do not on the iPhone, I would be wary of it.
Last, although they're coverage seems to be better in rural areas for instance, the 1-2 times I travel internationally every year, mean's I have to go with another phone. Based on that I doubt I would switch.
Verizon is known for limiting your access to a lot of the phone's functions, and even if they do not on the iPhone, I would be wary of it.
Last, although they're coverage seems to be better in rural areas for instance, the 1-2 times I travel internationally every year, mean's I have to go with another phone. Based on that I doubt I would switch.
So the iPhone is basically as crippled as a simple dumbphone?
For that matter, how is a locked down dumbphone UI any different from the locked down iPhone UI? Answer: it's not.
Apple wants to control their user experience on all their models, just as some carriers like to make all their phones act the same... and for the same reason: ease of user transition from one model to another.