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So what's the new way to go to the app from the notification? That's a really important feature so can't believe they'd do away with that

On my iPhone 6 i first had to unlock my iPhone then swipe down again to get to the "lockscreen" and only then could i engage with the notification by pressing long on the notification. Swiping left just opens the camera now which is totally stupid on a device without 3D Touch
 

Feenician

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So what's the new way to go to the app from the notification? That's a really important feature so can't believe they'd do away with that

All interactions start with a long press/3D touch. At that point: -

- Tap the notification again to go to app
- Tap one of the actions the apps offers (So for Outlook, for instance, you see Reply, Archive, Delete and Mark as Read)

You will see slightly different behavior whether you’re at the actual lock screen and locked, or either at the lock screen and unlocked or on the slide down notifications panel that looks like the lock screen. You long press/3D touch in all 3 scenarios but what happens next depends on whether you’re authenticated or not.

Locked and at lock screen (i.e. not authenticated): -
- Tapping to go to the app will require you to unlock
- Certain actions (the app developer decides this) will require unlocking and others won’t. For example, for Outlook, “Delete” will require you to unlock while “Mark Read” will not.

At lock screen and unlocked, or at slide down notification screen (i.e. authenticated): -
- Tapping will take you straight to the app
- All actions are carried out instantly

I hope this is clearer to people. Actions you wouldn’t want anyone to be able to do require you to have authenticated, one way or another.
 
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gwhizkids

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All interactions start with a long press/3D touch. At that point: -

- Tap the notification again to go to app
- Tap one of the actions the apps offers (So for Outlook, for instance, you see Reply, Archive, Delete and Mark as Read)

You will see slightly different behavior whether you’re at the actual lock screen and locked, or either at the lock screen and unlocked or on the slide down notifications panel that looks like the lock screen. You long press/3D touch in all 3 scenarios but what happens next depends on whether you’re authenticated or not.

Locked and at lock screen (i.e. not authenticated): -
- Tapping to go to the app will require you to unlock
- Certain actions (the app developer decides this) will require unlocking and others won’t. For example, for Outlook, “Delete” will require you to unlock while “Mark Read” will not.

At lock screen and unlocked, or at slide down notification screen (i.e. authenticated): -
- Tapping will take you straight to the app
- All actions are carried out instantly

I hope this is clearer to people. Actions you wouldn’t want anyone to be able to do require you to have authenticated, one way or another.
This is a good synopsis. I don't like having to 3D Touch and then tap/press again. I believe its the same number of steps as before (swipe vs press) but it feels wrong. On devices with the Taptic Engine, you do get a haptic response to the first press, but not the second. So it feels like (because it is) like you're pressing glass. A second haptic response might help. Its even less satisfying on devices that have no Taptic Engine. There, you're mashing glass twice.
 

GreyOS

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Ok.
So swipe right is now long press and tap. A shame in my opinion. Thanks.
 

Feenician

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This is a good synopsis. I don't like having to 3D Touch and then tap/press again. I believe its the same number of steps as before (swipe vs press) but it feels wrong. On devices with the Taptic Engine, you do get a haptic response to the first press, but not the second. So it feels like (because it is) like you're pressing glass. A second haptic response might help. Its even less satisfying on devices that have no Taptic Engine. There, you're mashing glass twice.

I mostly agree with you (I usually do) about the - and I’m not sure what word sums up I really feel - almost alien feeling of press -> press, compared to the old swipe behaviour. However I used to have an occasional mis-swipe between screens. Swiping was a bit overloaded. I’m guessing that was the thinking here, having unique gestures for the various actions. I certainly won’t be rushing to the defence of the change however, as its inarguably slower for some things, the scenario GreyOS mentioned being the worst case for the new method.

Other than that, I really like the lock screen/notifications duality now. In fact there isn’t really distinction - there’s just the notifications screen, which happens to be shown on wake. Whether the device is locked or unlocked is decoupled from that.
 
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gwhizkids

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I mostly agree with you (I usually do) about the - and I’m not sure what word sums up I really feel - almost alien feeling of press -> press, compared to the old swipe behaviour. However I used to have an occasional mis-swipe between screens. Swiping was a bit overloaded. I’m guessing that was the thinking here, having unique gestures for the various actions. I certainly won’t be rushing to the defence of the change however, as its inarguably slower for some things, the scenario GreyOS mentioned being the worst case for the new method.

Other than that, I really like the lock screen/notifications duality now. In fact there isn’t really distinction - there’s just the notifications screen, which happens to be shown on wake. Whether the device is locked or unlocked is decoupled from that.
Notice how Apple is slowly phasing out swiping as a gesture at all, at least as regards to the phone's initial state upon first use. Last year they eliminated swipe to unlock. Now, no more swiping to interact with notifications. I'm sure in 2 or 3 years, we'll have the perspective to know what the endgame is, but it probably does relate to the hardware developments that we are all waiting to hear about. Problem is, until the iPad gets similar abilities, its going to be odd for an important segment of Apple users.
 
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GreyOS

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I suppose one advantage is discovery. I know my partner with an SE usually just swipes right on notifications and never checks to see if there are any actions or rich notification. Once forced to learn long press as the only option then you'll always see this.

One improvement for me would definitely be making the jump into the app option more obvious. Doesn't feel intuitive to me to just tap it on an iPhone 6. I didn't know you could do that already on iOS 10 for example. Maybe it just takes getting used to.

Or maybe a secondary text of 'Tap for more' in the header (like the old Slide for more) or an extra action added to the bottom could help. Or the app icon floating above the notification at full size which you can tap? Perhaps though this is just a problem for non-3D touch devices, and as mentioned above, 3D touch devices could benefit simply from some extra taptic clues and feedback.
 

Feenician

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One improvement for me would definitely be making the jump into the app option more obvious. Doesn't feel intuitive to me to just tap it on an iPhone 6. I didn't know you could do that already on iOS 10 for example. Maybe it just takes getting used to.

Right. There is no visual indication that’s what it will do.

I suppose one advantage is discovery. I know my partner with an SE usually just swipes right on notifications and never checks to see if there are any actions or rich notification. Once forced to learn long press as the only option then you'll always see this.

Don’t tell them about the other gesture I forgot to mention then! Long/3D press into swipe down, in one motion, dismisses the individual notification. Still slower than just a swipe though.
 

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I have no idea what does what with lockscreen notifications anymore. They keep futzing with it every year. I just disabled most notifications anyway :)
 

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Not to side-track the discussion, but I wonder what implications his might have for law enforcement? I remember reading some time ago that people in custody could not be forced to press their finger on the TouchID scanner (possibly incriminating themselves with the content of their unlocked phone) but with 'FaceID' no action would be required, on their part ...
 
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PeLaNo

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Swiping left just opens the camera now which is totally stupid on a device without 3D Touch
I agree with you. People just used to access camera via Conntrol center not Notification Center. Why they need to change that.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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I think the way lock screen in iOS 11 be is making user confused. How they supposed to do when they drag from the top of the screen and found screen the look like a lock screen instead of Notification Center like it's used to .

Yes, that's exactly the point I introduced in the original post.

If your iPhone X unlocks the second you look at it, then there's no lock screen to see.

So they have come up with a sort of combo alternative Notifcations Screen that has elements of the iOS 10 lock screen too.
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Worst part about this whole mess is that i have to unlock my iPhone 6 before i can even dismiss a damn notification on the lockscreen like how is that a privacy concern. So silly

Yes it doesn't seem to be a slick solution at the moment for devices that are not the iPhone X.

Perhaps it will be refined with feedback throughout the Beta . . .
 
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KeanosMagicHat

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- Notification Center - There's no need to swipe a second time to see "Earlier Today" notifications in the Notification Center. All notifications are shown on the first downward swipe to get to the Lock Screen/Notification Center. In previous betas, you needed to swipe down to see unread notifications and then swipe up again to see earlier notifications. Beta 3 simplifies the Notification Center.

The new changes on iOS 11 Beta 3 should definitely make things a little easier to navigate, whilst maintaining consistency with the Facial Recognition unlock rumours.
 
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The new changes on iOS 11 Beta 3 should definitely make things a little easier to navigate, whilst maintaining consistency with the Facial Recognition unlock rumours.
Why do you think it has to look like the lockscreen though? Could just be the old notification centre with a section above recent?
 
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Why do you think it has to look like the lockscreen though? Could just be the old notification centre with a section above recent?

You're correct - it just seems Apple have decided to make it look like a combo lock screen / notifications pane for the moment.

Maybe they are wary of too much change at once to both hardware and software and want a little familiarity for the look?
 

GreyOS

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You're correct - it just seems Apple have decided to make it look like a combo lock screen / notifications pane for the moment.

Maybe they are wary of too much change at once to both hardware and software and want a little familiarity for the look?
You know one possible reason which I can't shake... it's quite hard to 'label' it? Like, Apple tried with 'missed' in ios 7, but it wasn't clear. Just having it be the lockscreen dissolves the issue (but personally think it creates others)
 

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You know one possible reason which I can't shake... it's quite hard to 'label' it? Like, Apple tried with 'missed' in ios 7, but it wasn't clear. Just having it be the lockscreen dissolves the issue (but personally think it creates others)

Agree with both you guys and I think (and I’m not pretending this is anything other than my theory) is that it’s about consistency. When you’re looking at the screen that looks like the lock/notifications screen, no matter where or how (locked, unlocked, unlocked in an app) the exact same rules and gestures apply and everything is laid out the same. To the left is widgets, to the right is camera, in the middle your clock and notifications.

The only place my theory falls down a little is the difference in what notifications are displayed. On the lock screen it’s only recents unless you swipe up. On the notifications screen it’s everything. I’m not sure if that’s about privacy, brevity (if you’re locked you might only want to glance at the things that happened since you last looked) or just a bug or half complete transition. I suspect it is about brevity and reducing noise on the lock screen.
 

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Agree with both you guys and I think (and I’m not pretending this is anything other than my theory) is that it’s about consistency. When you’re looking at the screen that looks like the lock/notifications screen, no matter where or how (locked, unlocked, unlocked in an app) the exact same rules and gestures apply and everything is laid out the same. To the left is widgets, to the right is camera, in the middle your clock and notifications.

The only place my theory falls down a little is the difference in what notifications are displayed. On the lock screen it’s only recents unless you swipe up. On the notifications screen it’s everything. I’m not sure if that’s about privacy, brevity (if you’re locked you might only want to glance at the things that happened since you last looked) or just a bug or half complete transition. I suspect it is about brevity and reducing noise on the lock screen.
Apparently the NC lock screen shows everything in latest beta :)
Whoops think I misread- ignore me. Good post
 

Paddle1

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I'll just mention that throughout the OS, the "lock screen" has been renamed the Cover Sheet.
Really? I noticed Notification Center is gone.

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Really? I noticed Notification Center is gone.

View attachment 708357

This is one of the best examples of Apple’s marketing BS I have ever seen. Notification Center already did all that! This implementation serves no purpose whatsoever and is worse than the old Notification Center in several ways. You now have the clock taking up a ton of space. And if you have music going, the music widget is taking up even more space at the top. In landscape mode on my iPad I can only see 2 notifications when I pull down from the top. Why???

The iOS 7-10 version made it clear what you were doing and where you were in the OS because the Notification Center was translucent and (as Jonny Ive liked to put it) gave you “a sense of context”. Now suddenly you’re plopped back on the lock screen when you pull down from the top? But the device is still unlocked? And a bunch of space is wasted? What on earth was Apple thinking? I hope this gets changed before the final release (not holding out much hope of that though). I dread trying to explain this one to my parents (who aren’t technologically savvy) if this turns out to be the final implementation. It really feels like change for the sake of change.

IMG_0047.jpg

On the other hand, the screenshot and markup feature is fantastic!
 

Feenician

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This is one of the best examples of Apple’s marketing BS I have ever seen. Notification Center already did all that! This implementation serves no purpose whatsoever and is worse than the old Notification Center in several ways. You now have the clock taking up a ton of space. And if you have music going, the music widget is taking up even more space at the top. In landscape mode on my iPad I can only see 2 notifications when I pull down from the top. Why???

The iOS 7-10 version made it clear what you were doing and where you were in the OS because the Notification Center was translucent and (as Jonny Ive liked to put it) gave you “a sense of context”. Now suddenly you’re plopped back on the lock screen when you pull down from the top? But the device is still unlocked? And a bunch of space is wasted? What on earth was Apple thinking? I hope this gets changed before the final release (not holding out much hope of that though). I dread trying to explain this one to my parents (who aren’t technologically savvy) if this turns out to be the final implementation. It really feels like change for the sake of change.

View attachment 708468

On the other hand, the screenshot and markup feature is fantastic!

I think the point of it is consistency. Why were there two totally different pieces of UI (the lock screen and Notification Center) that both housed notifications but didn’t look or work the same? Why could you swipe to get to camera on one, but not the other? The point of of the Cover Sheet (thanks for rooting that out @Dj64Mk7), I think, is that the same functions, the same gestures, the same everything is available no matter where you are in the UI.
 
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Paddle1

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I think the point of it is consistency. Why were there two totally different pieces of UI (the lock screen and Notification Center) that both housed notifications but didn’t look or work the same? Why could you swipe to get to camera on one, but not the other? The point of of the Cover Sheet (thanks for rooting that out @Dj64Mk7), I think, is that the same functions, the same gestures, the same everything is available no matter where you are in the UI.
Makes sense since iOS 10 put the Today view on the lock screen. Still prefer the NC though.

Perhaps it's iPhone 8 related.
 
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