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Sciuriware

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Jan 4, 2014
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...or stop creating new problems.

Apple seems dedicated now to creating sparkly 'Squirrel!' features in their OSs - presumably to keep their dedicated Macolytes happy - rather than do the hard work in making the core features work as intended.

They occasionally slap some lipstick on an older app in the hope this will distract from their lack of attention to the app otherwise, or end up breaking something else with the addition of who-knows-what - as per this printer icon issue.

Nice to see that 10 years after Jobs death, the Company is maintaining his belief that users continue to be 'holding it wrong'.
... unless someone has asked for this 'feature'? The icon is no way a show stopper, only irritant to some extend.
;JOOP!
 

vsc

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May 8, 2014
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Ditto.

My experience with reporting problems during the beta phase is that Apple ignores anything other than the focus areas they are testing. In other words nothing I ever reported was fixed during the beta or throughout the various releases. As such I stopped reporting problems given it ultimately was a total waste of my time.
 
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Bazza1

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Ditto.

My experience with reporting problems during the beta phase is that Apple ignores only the focus areas they are testing. In other words nothing I ever reported was fixed during the beta or throughout the various releases. As such I stopped reporting problems given it ultimately was a total waste of my time.

Then Apple ignores the problems once Gold is released - relying on their most rabid fans to blame those who are experiencing the problem until it hits the mainstream Media and they are forced to acknowledge the problem and try and fix it.

T'was always thus.
 
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southerndoc

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I've found that companies have grown to either care less or just be too overwhelmed with feedback from beta testers. I've found this on multiple software vendors I've beta tested as well as a large network equipment manufacturer.
 

SkiandSkate

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Oct 12, 2021
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Since upgrading to 11.6 yesterday, my print dialogue won't automatically close after the print job is complete. The icon remains in the dock.

I can't find the option to autoquit anymore. I thought you could right click on the icon and select it, but it's not an option.

Anyone else experiencing this and/or know how to fix it?
Very annoying - no fix yet. What a waste of time having to click to remove every time.
 

Sciuriware

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Jan 4, 2014
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Very annoying - no fix yet. What a waste of time having to click to remove every time.
Please have a look at it this way: what's the problem with another icon in the dock?
I found that I have to click (from the black apple) 5 times to see the ink levels on my printer.
With the "new feature" it's only 3 clicks!
Could that be the 'purpose' of APPLE?
;JOOP!
P.S.: please do not calculate for me how many nano-fortnights I can win this way ....
 

vsc

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May 8, 2014
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Let my amplify what I think is going on.

In my management experience developers taking over code tend to want to trash older code bases, especially if they can play with whatever the new shiny object is with their new implementation. In the process of reimplementing the whole of the code base, features / capabilities are dropped given schedule / cost constraints.

You can see this happen over and over again with Apple where replacements are largely dumbed down, problems (bugs) are introduced and only much later after a lot of consternation something analogous but different emerges.

Where I'm in charge I try to be the adult in the room pay attention to the user experience, not letting development totally derail the user. Said another way I have to question if adult (err management) supervision at Apple is adequate.
 

Sciuriware

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Jan 4, 2014
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Gelderland
Let my amplify what I think is going on.

In my management experience developers taking over code tend to want to trash older code bases, especially if they can play with whatever the new shiny object is with their new implementation. In the process of reimplementing the whole of the code base, features / capabilities are dropped given schedule / cost constraints.

You can see this happen over and over again with Apple where replacements are largely dumbed down, problems (bugs) are introduced and only much later after a lot of consternation something analogous but different emerges.

Where I'm in charge I try to be the adult in the room pay attention to the user experience, not letting development totally derail the user. Said another way I have to question if adult (err management) supervision at Apple is adequate.
... or ... from my experience, this situation might result from poor development and design documentation.
Obviously there is no document that lays down how something should be shaped and implemented.
In this case there should be some record of agreed upon Dock-behaviour of applications.
But, I must also admit that MacOS has a lot of goodies. You know, I was a long time MSWindows user, so ....
;JOOP!
 

ghiesz

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Mar 14, 2021
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Same problem here.

Canon MF 635

I updated driver etc. and put a lot of time to fix that.

Maybe Bill Gates has captured Apple like the WHO and we have to get ..... to accept the changes.

I am so very happy that we get new emojis on iphone! Give a f... d...d about printerproxy! ;-)
 

Sciuriware

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Jan 4, 2014
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Gelderland
Same problem here.

Canon MF 635

I updated driver etc. and put a lot of time to fix that.

Maybe Bill Gates has captured Apple like the WHO and we have to get ..... to accept the changes.

I am so very happy that we get new emojis on iphone! Give a f... d...d about printerproxy! ;-)
I got used to 'improvements' like these.
I even got used to this forum.
;JOOP!
 

rgetter

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Sep 20, 2008
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I am seeing (and am equally puzzled by) the same thing on 11.6. It is happening with both my LaserJet 1320 and my Epson P400. It's possible to manually quit the printer from the Dock but it will stay open after the next print job. I can also confirm that neither are there until there's a print job. I'm guessing that something is keeping the daemon open and it is either a bug or undocumented feature of the update.
 

Daniva

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Sep 7, 2013
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Italy
Same issue. OS 11.6 - Canon MX 495

edit: MacOS 11.6.1 update solved the problem :)
 
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Jim R

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Oct 27, 2021
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I had this problem too - two HP laser printers, OS 11.6

As Daniva said above, I just updated to 11.6.1 and it solved the problem for me.
 
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ladysun1969

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Nov 1, 2021
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I am on 11.6.1 & still have this problem, both on my home Canon MF644C & my church's Konica Minolta C450i.

PS. MacBook Air M1.
 

Jim R

macrumors newbie
Oct 27, 2021
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This problem went away for me when I updated from 11.6 to 11.6.1

I have now updated to 12.0.1 Monterey and do not have the problem now either - so you might want to try that if possible.
 
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Sciuriware

macrumors 6502a
Jan 4, 2014
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Gelderland
Since upgrading to 11.6 yesterday, my print dialogue won't automatically close after the print job is complete. The icon remains in the dock.

I can't find the option to autoquit anymore. I thought you could right click on the icon and select it, but it's not an option.

Anyone else experiencing this and/or know how to fix it?
Since the upgrade to 11.6.2 and an additional (large) device update the problem seems to be solved at all.
;JOOP

P.S.: next problem please ....
 
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