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this argument has never made sense. Why would you want less screen space?
Why would it being under the screen (or built into the screen), be less screen space?
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FaceID already supersedes Touch ID. High end phones should have 3D Face ID. Touch ID is the old technology.
Wheels are really old technology, so simply based on that we should just stop using them.
 
FaceID already supersedes Touch ID. High end phones should have 3D Face ID. Touch ID is the old technology.

Face ID does not supersede it. You cannot unlock it when it is on the desk. So you need both on a flagship phone.

Apple needs to stop being cheap and put a fingerprint sensor under the display like other flagship phones.
 
Ill bet Apple has the capability now to make the notch half as tall or even less and could incorporate it into a narrow bezel that would look better. They’re waiting so they can squeeze as much out of the current manufacturing process as possible, as well as the 6,7,8 style that they will surely drop after the new SE has run it’s course. When the notchless iPhones come out the last notch iPhone will become the next SE

well if apple can do it we will see it on the iPhone 12 then!
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Why would it being under the screen (or built into the screen), be less screen space?
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Wheels are really old technology, so simply based on that we should just stop using them.

being under the screen wouldn’t be less screen space....
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Face ID does not supersede it. You cannot unlock it when it is on the desk. So you need both on a flagship phone.

Apple needs to stop being cheap and put a fingerprint sensor under the display like other flagship phones.

yes it does. Faceid supersedes Touch ID in convenience and security. Touch ID doesn’t work when you are wearing gloves or have wet hands.
 
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yes it does. Faceid supersedes Touch ID in convenience and security. Touch ID doesn’t work when you are wearing gloves or have wet hands.
But doesn't work when the phone is lying on a table, or if have a mask on. Similar sort of negatives exist for it as well, so not quite supersedes based on that.
 
But doesn't work when the phone is lying on a table, or if have a mask on. Similar sort of negatives exist for it as well, so not quite supersedes based on that.

so we have the same number of use case negatives for each, but Face ID is still much more secure. So on balance Face ID supersedes touch Id.

And i guess face masks are only temporary so that will either go away or already not be a problem for face Id. so overall much better than touch Id.
 
so we have the same number of use case negatives for each, but Face ID is still much more secure. So on balance Face ID supersedes touch Id.

And i guess face masks are only temporary so that will either go away or already not be a problem for face Id. so overall much better than touch Id.
Except for those cases where it's not and for people that encounter those cases more often.
 
Except for those cases where it's not and for people that encounter those cases more often.

Yeah, unfortunate for those people! luckily few and far between. Apple should focus on the majority, not the minority.
 
Yeah, unfortunate for those people! luckily few and far between. Apple should focus on the majority, not the minority.
Seems like those would be assumptions as to the numbers that might be involved.

Even that aside, it can be said that were few and far between who really cared about having widgets on the home screen, and yet that's what's coming in iOS 14. So even that aspect of it is basically not an indicator of much one way or another.
 
Seems like those would be assumptions as to the numbers that might be involved.

Even that aside, it can be said that were few and far between who really cared about having widgets on the home screen, and yet that's what's coming in iOS 14. So even that aspect of it is basically not an indicator of much one way or another.

Technology will always March on whether you like it or not. The important thing is to be adaptable instead of digging your heals in. You get so much more enjoyment from technology when you are flexible.
 
Technology will always March on whether you like it or not. The important thing is to be adaptable instead of digging your heals in. You get so much more enjoyment from technology when you are flexible.
It also doesn't mean that something new or different makes something it replaces worse just because it replaces it. Using Apple even as an example, see what happened with the keyboard switches on MacBooks.
 
It also doesn't mean that something new or different makes something it replaces worse just because it replaces it. Using Apple even as an example, see what happened with the keyboard switches on MacBooks.

Of course not, but having used Touch ID and Face ID I know that Face ID is better
 
Of course not, but having used Touch ID and Face ID I know that Face ID is better
Which is something subjective and can be different for different people. To go with the keyboard example, there were/are people who also found Apple's butterfly switch keyboards better as well when Apple switched to them, yet it didn't mean that the scissor switch ones weren't good, and in fact Apple even ended up going back to them.

None of this is to say that Face ID is bad (as it seems that's how it's mostly being interpreted), but it is to say that it doesn't mean that Touch ID isn't good just because there's Face ID.
 
Which is something subjective and can be different for different people. To go with the keyboard example, there were/are people who also found Apple's butterfly switch keyboards better as well when Apple switched to them, yet it didn't mean that the scissor switch ones weren't good, and in fact Apple even ended up going back to them.

None of this is to say that Face ID is bad (as it seems that's how it's mostly being interpreted), but it is to say that it doesn't mean that Touch ID isn't good just because there's Face ID.

It doesn’t mean Touch ID is bad, it just means there’s a better option now available. Like I said, technology marches on.
 
It doesn’t mean Touch ID is bad, it just means there’s a better option now available. Like I said, technology marches on.
And we saw what can happen with that when it came to Apple and MacBook keyboard mechanisms, for example.
 
And we saw what can happen with that when it came to Apple and MacBook keyboard mechanisms, for example.

Absolutely, but given I suspect most people prefer Face ID to Touch ID we are unlikely to see a change made in that regard.
 
What's the probability? Probably 1% so going to stick with my SE 2016 for a while longer. I would like both options on a device before I'd be tempted to upgrade.
 
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