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Qualcomm Claims Snapdragon X Elite 21% Faster Than Apple's M3 Chip

DeepIn2U said:
What? Theie first try and its VERY significant compared to Apple's 2nd generation and possibly 3rd generation chips and you're making this kind of comment?
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Dude, Qualcomm has been making ARM chips for far longer than Apple.
This stands true in any case, whether you consider ARM chips for desktop OSes or ARM chips at all.
It's their fault only for losing the competitive edge.

Anyway Windows will remain an x86 affair only for the foreseeable future.
It's so obvious, it's not even funny.
Go to your local PC-using neighbor, try to sell him an ARM Windows PC and see what happens.
 
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80 watts! Might as well buy an Intel!

I have a 12850HX here in a Dell Precision 7670 which is somewhat between 55 watts and 157 watts and scores a 12500 or so in Geekbench. Throw a couple of generations on it and you're about the same as Intel.

You do not want 80w in a laptop. It weighs a ton due to the cooling and huge battery, lasts about 2 hours on a good day and makes a hell of a lot of noise. I'd rather have a desktop with a 13500 in it, but the company won't send one out because then we'll never go into the office!

M3 Max has same performance at 30W TDP.

This is a complete non story. Qualcomm flapping face hole. Absolutely crap product which is not comparable. It's like buying a really stupid Hummer and saying it does 0-60 in the same time as a Merc.
 
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lkrupp said:
Here we go again. MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS! It all seems so childish. Sounds like they’re marketing to 15 year old boys. And Apple is no better with their claims of superiority. I don’t buy Apple products because of benchmarks, I buy Apple products because of macOS, iOS, iPadOS and I’m certain I’m in the vast majority.
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Wow.

How many years has Apple played that same childish game you claim is of such?

Jobs and Phill Cook offs or bake offs anyone recall that?!

Heck just 2 yrs back Apple did this exact same thing even last year woth the m2 in their graph.

If you're gonna make a call out do it equally fair, regardless of your preference. Maintain a sense of credibility.
 
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I for one am thrilled to see Qualcomm making these strides, really for 3 reasons:

  1. It will encourage Intel and AMD to up their performance per watt game. Those of us who have to use work-issued Windows laptops will eventually reap the benefits of this.
  2. It will keep Apple moving the ball forward on M-series performance. It’s not just enough for the M series to be efficient, but they need the options for power as well especially in the desktop space, and until recently even the Max and Ultra fell short of the fastest Intel/AMD desktop offerings, even if they ran cool and quiet. (The M3 Max roughly matching Intel’s 13th gen i9 K-series desktop chips is a good start).
  3. Better hardware makes Windows on ARM a more compelling use case, which will hopefully get more software developers on board with either native software or at least software the cooperates better under emulation. This in turn benefits Mac users by making virtualized Windows on ARM a more viable option for cross platform work.
 
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gpat said:
Not this one. Or any of their best sellers either.
Duh^2.
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With assistance on the SD 8gen 3 from Samsung due to TSMC constraints

But this Arm pc chip is manufactured in house. Yes.
gpat said:
Dude, Qualcomm has been making ARM chips for far longer than Apple.
This stands true in any case, whether you consider ARM chips for desktop OSes or ARM chips at all.
It's their fault only for losing the competitive edge.

Anyway Windows will remain an x86 affair only for the foreseeable future.
It's so obvious, it's not even funny.
Go to your local PC-using neighbor, try to sell him an ARM Windows PC and see what happens.
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I'm talking about their laptop and desktop performance li e of chips.

Arm chips for mobile doesn't count nor should in my statement quoted above.

Theie trial chips for Microsoft srill limited in scope to tablets never was intended for laptops nor desktops. After purchasing Nuvia an working with the former Apple executives that worked on the M1 this is their real first try at laptop and desktop ARM.based chips.

This isn't semantics so I stand by my original statement if only better clarified as you're mixing mobike (SnapDragon) and tablet (SQ1/2) chips.
 
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I can just see all the 'MOVE OVER APPLE!!!' YouTube thumbnails now. This will be sliced and diced endless times before any actual tests can even be conducted. MaxTech will have at least two videos about this. The ever-growing and overcrowded 'content creator' space has yielded mountains of garbage videos that we now need to weed through to get to the ones that are actually worth watching.
 
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Darren.h said:
Can't wait to buy a PC with his chip!

Apple hough they were killing he Hackinosh by ditching Intel and using arm.

Now we have a resurrected future with ARM Hackinosh with this Snapdragon Chip.
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Don’t hold your breath.


I for one can’t wait for Qualcomm apologists to claim that Qualcomm invented ARM soon.
 
spcopsmac21 said:
I mean there isn’t a single thing on macOS you can’t do on windows. If you enjoy over paying and constantly have zero expandability and significantly less longevity then that makes sense. Mac OS is prettier for sure.
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Yes but I dont want adverts in the OS really. Not something i'm looking for.
 
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gpat said:
Anyway Windows will remain an x86 affair only for the foreseeable future.
It's so obvious, it's not even funny.
Go to your local PC-using neighbor, try to sell him an ARM Windows PC and see what happens.
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Lol and we'll see as Microsoft themselves woth their DevKit last spring was fully and only ARM based. The legacy code in X86-64 is very old and mostly due to Microsoft, IBM mainframe emulation ans similar from decades old use.

Most developers don't even write new code for replacement, and the latest windows os (8, 10, 11), would have incompatibility for the ancient legacy code bring maintained in Intel's chips.

Trust me new software and ending support from vendors will increase significantly, to the point where old servers will be required for maintenance of legacy systems. I'd presume Nuclear power plants have requirements for ongoing business of such legacy.

Oh yeah and NVidia has already announced along with AMD their competing ARM desktop n laptop chips are coming in 1.5yrs! Nvidia already has some experience foe mobile ARM chips as well as IoT for cars.

If I can show any PC gaming, architecture, artist or business official that a shipping product outperforms their current setup, has 90-100% software compatibility (no need for x86 legacy chip code for these use cases btw), ans can save them 60% on their monthly and yearly hydro bill alone?!

Trust me they'd be ripping my tie off to sell them!!

You'll see and soon too.
 
andrewxgx said:
also Windows 11 on ARM has translation feature for running x86/x64 software just like Mac has Rosetta (although the Windows translation is much slower)
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And even the "fast" Rosetta was making some apps unusable. Looking at you, Android Studio...

I honestly don't know why anyone should get excited about Windows on ARM at this point. x86 chips have become good enough at least down to the ultrabook form factor:


The only good thing about Windows on ARM is that its existence keeps the pressure on Intel and AMD.
 
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