Qualcomm bought Nuvia, which was made up of previous Apple Silicon engineers. It isn't exactly a Qualcomm-designed product.
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Both are laptop chips. Qualcomm does not plan any desktop (stationary) units for now. Their market will be premium creative/business laptop, just like Apple's.
Depends what you look at. You can't put an Ampere chip into a laptop. You can't even put it into a desktop. It's a cloud computing system. Not to mention that the 12 Oryon cores are probably equivalent to 32 Ampere cores (or more).
If Qualcomm bought Nuvia, then this is an Qualcomm product. Again, i have no hopes for this because of the devices where it will go. I saw how Qualcomm SoC on systems are tested, in a room with temp of 22C not put in any envelopes, just the whole system lying down on the table, so no thermal envelope restrictions (so those number you are seeing, they cannot get any higher, but they can get way lower in the end device). I get that you are exited, i was too in the last 4 years with these arm based windows, but i learn the hard way, on my personal time and money not to have hopes
People that worked at apple i bet they worked on hardware with software guys together, this is called vertical. Qualcomm worked with Microsoft in the past to deliver us, arm devices and they failed. Yes for very basics taks that wouldn't crash, it was fine and this will be fine too but dont expect the work are you doing with an Mbp with M1/M2 Max to do it with this
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People keep thinking Apple Silicon is just an ARM chip. Then they look at benchmarks comparing ARM chips. No, AS has other kinds of cores, For example, the Nueral engines. These can do trillions of operations per second and for certain tasks are 100X (many even 1000X) faster than any CPU. Some of the other specialized cores.
CPU benchmarks are not informative for the user's perception of computer "speed".
CPU benchmarks are not informative for the user's perception of computer "speed".
Are we all overlooking the fact that its CPU TDP might be 80watts? That’s more than the M2 Ultra.
Qualcomm also has an NPU. So what?
Here we are discussing the CPU advances. Plenty of us who need a fast, energy efficient CPU. This "a SoC is so much more than a CPU" rhetoric is tiring, because it's banal, and because it's often used as an excuse for why your SoC sucks (as Google had to learn with the Tensor-based phones). Fortunately for us Apple users, Apple does not compromise on any parts of their SoC, which is why their devices are excellent.
Lol, look who is talking.
Actually you can buy a box with these chips inside and place it on or under your desk. You can even add some Nvidia graph cards and use it for whatever games you can get on Steam. Or you could use it to edit video with De Vinci Resolve.
Lots of companies sell these. I've seen them made into towers for desktop use. But when you see the price tag you'd say "I think I will buy a Mac Studio". But really they are an option for profesional who can justify the price.
Here is a review of a consummer-facing Amere desktop. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ampere-64-core-arm-workstation-runs-windows
Here is a more typical server chassis, something a video production company might want to buy a few of. (Resolve runs best on Linux.) https://www.gigabyte.com/Enterprise/ARM-Server?fid=2494,2455,2233
Huch, thanks, didn't know that. But... what's the point? Those things are expensive and dead slow. I mean, the M2 Ultra Studio is cheaper and faster than those boards. Or, if you really need performance, you just get a Threadripper.
I would be very very surprised if Resolve would deliver any meaningful performance on that kind of CPU. Besides, is there even an ARM version of Resolve (besides Apple)?
Have you seen or do you know how this particular SoC has been tested? If not, your comment is nothing but FUD.
The slides specify that Qualcomm Oryon was tested using a Qualcomm laptop reference design with Debian Trixie (Linux 6.5.0-rc1 kernel).
You, of all people, given your years of doing exactly that in various threads are now going to acknowledge that there is a difference when it comes to laptops vs others?
We should all be excited that there is another company pushing the desktop computer away from power-hungry traditional Intel processors.
The information presented is interesting, but not comprehensive. When Apple presents information about how their new SoC, they don't always show the entire span of information.
The more both companies innovate should push laptop computers to do more with less power and less heat. That's something that should excite everyone. My mid-2012 MacBook Pro with quad-core i7 is a great heater, though.
Black Magic discussed DaVinci Resolve on the second day of the summit
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And I think Windows 12 will remove most of legacy compatibilities just like Apple did with M1. Pluton chip already block most of CPU anyway.
They been trying to do so for 7 years....I was exited for 4 out of 7...no more. This will fade away by Christmass....products with this will be release probably after May 2024 and it will be another poor windows on arm device. And "pushing desktop" with this? If they dont allow eGpu, this is out of the question...very hard Apple is doing so with M Ultra series...and this on the gpu level is on M1 Pro level, on "their tests" probably even lower than M1 Pro into the final user device. Dont get too exited because you will be even more disappointed, better do it the other way around
I agree on this, BUT IF microosft can create a true performer translation layer/emulation like Rosetta 2, not what garbage we have now for arm based windows devices
I believe they allow pcie gpus. So we’ll probably see amd and nvidia gpus on some of their computers.
If ’Desktop’ meant “box with slots“ that may be on tract. the slide with their solution space is certainly lapto-ish
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But the material difference between that ‘tented’ system and and an ’ iPad on a stick’ All-inOne system is far more about mechanical engin than electrical . Just a different container . The eDP 1.4 support covers UHD 120 so a nice 4K display could be done ( e.g., 24” iMac ) .
Just about same thing for a smaller NUC like desktop systems ( especially fabless/quiet ones ) that are often powered by the current AMD/Intel mobile processor package offerings ( pretty Close to being headless laptops ) . For example .
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there isn’t much external I/O there that will completely overwhelm the Elite X. Substitute the HDMI and Display port for Type C and drop the USB 2.0 type A there and basically have a match.
The only disconnect there is the substantial time and effort Qualcomm put into the Camera subsystem . A Elite X without a camera is missing an objective. the camera subsystem is MIPI so not aimed at generic USB webcam connections. But just a mismatch at the subsystem level .
So it isn’t laptop as much as complete integreated systhem that is target.
The cellluar modem is discrete so ot os easy to drop for a stationary container. Qualcomm would like to sell more radios but it that isn’t as necessary.
Pretty decent chance there is one x1 PCI-e lane dangling around internally to provision a discrete Ethernet controller for a socket.
Target mainstream desktops ? No . completely out of all desktops ? Also no . just desktops where can generally dump a dGPU.
Only really depends on just how few variations the OEM logic board designers want to deviate from Qualcomms reference board designs ( I.e., just how little money want to put into being creative. Primarily just need a different board shape , not different components on the board. )
Errrrrr. It would not be all that hard to get a Ampere package onto a 2019 sized MacPro logic board. A few less PCI slots provisioned perhaps (perhaps a few less, dual bank DIMM slots ) ,but that isn’t a moonshot project.
A smaller than MacPro logic board
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Just use same 2019 move to put DIMMs on the “ backside” would claw back some room for PCI slot.l. Likewise toss SSD on backside also . But again drifting into mechanical as much as electrical issues.
the Threadripper 7000 boards don’t have mainstream desktop packages on them either.
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just have to do some modest compromises ( max dimm slots and max legacy , double/triple wide PCI-e
stanadrd slots aren’t going to mix well).
I checked again how the Qualcomm SoC was tested and I find it curious that Qualcomm used Linux for the single core benchmark and Windows for the multi-core and GPU benchmark.
Single-core results are generally higher in Linux on the same hardware (unsure whether because of how the scheduler works, better system libraries, or maybe better compilers used on Linux). This has been known for a while.