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Qualcomm revealed X Elite's benchmark scores
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Considering the market stratification for which this would apply, I agree with your assessment. Your average 13th gen i9 with an RTX 4090 already rocks past the M2 Max...So again, this is to compete with lesser beings where M1 and M2 have had the run to themselves. Now they will hopefully have some actual competition.
Apple Silicon isn't in 'danger'. The era of "super easy to kick sand in the face of fumbling Intel CPU/GPU and 'kind-of-broke , do mobile APU as late as possible ' AMD implementations " is over. Competition isn't necessarily 'danger'
X Elite is a somewhat quirky package in that it somewhat falls between plain M2 and M2 Max. It appears Qualcomm is going to try to use one die to cover all three 'bases' that Apple does with three different dies.
Pretty likely because Qualcomm isn't going to get the same economies of scale and just more practice to just do one die on the first generation just to claim some limited ground and form a solid foundation from which to build later.
There is about zero 'danger' for Apple Silicon is because they are not going to loose their one client ( or three clients if split iPhone , iPad, and Mac apart). If they are still getting design wins then the money is still coming to do new iterations. That really is not at risk in the slightest.
Those Intel 13000 and AMD 7000 scores are super stale. 13000's score isn't going to last past December.
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The AMD 7000's scores isn't going to last much past CES 2024.
M2's scores are on a ticking countdown clock with just a few hours left on it ( at time of this post).
I was sarcastic referring to the first post . Thought I made it clear in my first sentence. GPU-wise M2 Pro/Max are vastly superior to SD X Elite already and by the time SD X Elite comes out we'll have M3/A18.
If Microsoft bets on ARM, it would launch Windows 12 in time for the first laptops with Qualcomm SoCs. Anyway, I imagine Qualcomm will have paid Microsoft, not only for exclusivity, but also for a timely release of the next Windows.
It would make sense for Microsoft to unveil its next Window at the Microsoft Build at the end of May.
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First Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks: Impressive gains over M2 Max, Ryzen 9 7940HS, Intel 13th gen-H, and 14th gen desktop CPUs
The Snapdragon X Elite's CPU and GPU reference benchmarks are now available showing impressive gains over current flagship processors from Intel, AMD, and Apple. OEMs can configure the Snapdragon X Elite up to an 80 W TDP, which allows the SoC to offer near-desktop-class performance...
Cinebench 2024 Scores [CPU & GPU] (Updated Results)
The new Version of Cinebench, 2024, benchmarks CPUs and GPUs in the popular Redshift render engine. We benchmarked all modern CPUs and GPUs and list them in our score overview.
Btw, all results were ACTUALLY tested with actual devices. Multiple people confirmed this.
To sum up:
Single core: Qualcomm is better even at 23W. At 80W, it's the highest.
Multi core: Not bad but despite having 12 performance cores and 80W, not that great. But if you ignore the power consumption, Qualcomm has higher multi core performance.
GPU: Quite great. Beside, it beats M2 Max in terms of power by watt.
To sum up:
Single core: Qualcomm is better even at 23W. At 80W, it's the highest.
Multi core: Not bad but despite having 12 performance cores and 80W, not that great. But if you ignore the power consumption, Qualcomm has higher multi core performance.
GPU: Quite great. Beside, it beats M2 Max in terms of power by watt.
Lol, you really need to get your narrative straight. When Apple does it, it's underwhelming. When Qualcomm uses pretty much the same core as M2, it's great.
Because it was never meant to compete with M2 Max in terms of GPU. Only CPU does. But I wouldn't worry too much since Qualcomm already outperformed A16 and A17 Pro in terms of GPU performance and X Elite's GPU is an old version which is quite obvious.
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What is exactly the reason you being on this forum? From the short time i’ve been here I only see you spreading misinformation or negative stuff anything Apple related. It’s good to be critical and Apple can surely do better in some cases but what your doing is something different
Anyways I do hope this Qc chip finds it way to the consumers soon, seem for Windows a nice ARM alternative and maybe Microsoft and other vendors will now make more ARM stuff.
…that they could only use approved software on
I see, so absolute performance is what matters?
Say what?
Bringing info is my fault? Wow.What is exactly the reason you being on this forum? From the short time i’ve been here I only see you spreading misinformation or negative stuff anything Apple related. It’s good to be critical and Apple can surely do better in some cases but what your doing is something different
Anyways I do hope this Qc chip finds it way to the consumers soon, seem for Windows a nice ARM alternative and maybe Microsoft and other vendors will now make more ARM stuff.
It's great when SD X Elite can't even manage 60 fps at 1080p low in a 4-year-old game and lacks RT but God forbid if a Mac does anything below 60 at 4K Ultra. I guess it's safe to say now that SD X Elite "sucks" for gaming. 😄
It can't even outperform M2 Pro or M2 at the same wattage and this was supposed to beat everything called Apple Silicon when it first was compared to iPhone.
Eh again, that isn't the point of this tech. All that stuff needs to be able to compete against the AAA gaming libraries of the Intel/AMD Nvidia/AMD behemoths that use 10x the power but deliver more performance. And have for years.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to play Apex on my new M3 Mac, but it isn't happening. Anti-cheat and all that. No, it's the same old thing. They throw us a pretty pathetic bone in these but ignore the larger picture.
No, the point of SD Elite X is the mobile market where efficiency matters.
I think you're being too harsh on OP for saying that Qualcomm didn't focus on GPU performance. Apple designs their silicon to have GPU performance on-par with dGPUs becuase there's no alternative on the Mac side. If you want a top-performing GPU in an Apple product, the only option is a beefy integrated graphics solution. On the other hand, Qualcomm can partner with Nvidia or AMD for better graphics performance if need be.
Of course, there are drawbacks and benefits to either approach, dGPUs will never achieve the same efficiency but it also can cut the cost of the device since the chip can be smaller, and Nvidia with CUDA have specific optimizations and years of driver support that Apple doesn't have.
Also: I'd like to point out that we don't know the pricing of laptops with this chip. If this is coming out in laptops with sub $2k price points, then they aren't even supposed to compete with the M2 Max. I'd suspect this to be either a base M3 competitor or maybe M3 Pro. Qualcomm may not desire to compete with the M3 Max at all.
Thank you for saying this so well. I agree, I don’t think it would even make sense to compete on the high end of things in the windows world. Why compete with an i9 and 4090?
I see you just joined the forum yesterday and this is your first post so you haven't had much experience of interacting with forum members. It’s not too harsh at all. People here have been mocking the performance of Apple Silicon ever since M1 by comparing it to power-hungry monster CPUs and GPUs from Intel and Nvidia. The same people complained again about Apple Silicon’s lack of power efficiency when A17 Pro was released when Apple prioritized performance over watt this time. It’s a common form of double binding used frequently in this forum by people with no real interest in Apple or its products.
After a while you will notice that some people never have anything positive to say about Apple or its products no matter what they present. They only create one thread and post after another to spread provoking and negative opinions by twisting and cherry-picking facts. In fact if you search the word ”sucks” you can find many old posts by the same people since the introduction of Apple Silicon telling everyone everything Apple sucks.
They say things like ”What happened to Apple in terms of chip development? A17 Pro consume up to 14W of power. More power = higher performance. Then what happened to the power by watt? That's extremely too high and that's what M1 consume. It proves that Apple Silicon chips GPU performance sucks. It just proves that Apple is not doing well with Apple Silicon development. Imagine if Qualcomm starts making their own M series chips for PC.”
Now that SD Elite X does the same and uses up to 80W like M2 Ultra they praise it for being fast. Now that Qualcomm has made ”their own M series chips for PC” and its GPU underperforms compared to even M2 in some benchmarks while using more power it suddenly doesn’t ”suck” but it’s only too old despite being a brand new unreleased chip. You can’t use common sense with such people. Only by using the same kind of rhetoric you can point out the flaws in their arguments.
The same people are now writing in other threads ”Well only 20% from M2 Max to M3 Max which is very disappointing” while Intel 14th gen CPUs like i9-14900K are only a few procent better than 13th gen like i9-13900K according to Puget Systems among others but I guess in the PC world Intel's 5% is equal to Apple's 20%. 20% is also only for the GPU. M3 Max CPU is up to 50% faster than M2 Max compared to Intel's 5% boost.
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Where does it say that X Elite isn't better than M2 Max? At 23W, it's already similar to M2 Max's performance on both single and multi core performance and Apple Silicon doesn't even have options to go beyond like Qualcomm. Power by watt is already better.
Also, if it's slow, then it's slow. Simple. power by watt is just a joke when you seriously need power such as game, 3D, and more.