Real or fake?

[ill0gical0ne]

larger picture:

another picture of the same plane:

and yes, it was on the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-goletafire-pg,0,4363411.photogallery?index=23

also... if it were to be fake... at least they were smart and removed the EXIF data

 

[scotty96LSC]

What does tatoo say???

 

[klymr]

It's real. I'm the guy on the left.

Prove it!

 

[sushi]

Regarding the angle of the plane, remember that it is dropping from the sky and the rudder (tail) is in use so the plane is infact yawing as it also drops at an unusual speed. Basically the nose is pointing to the left but the plane continues to go forward. A bit like skidding in a car. The rudder is on (right) to correct the left yaw and its causes a bit of an optical illusion.

Say what?

I am sorry, but I am laughing too hard to explain right now.

Also if the plane was behind the house it would have to be massive. Check the size of the engines. If it was behind then each engine would be roughly half the length of the house.

The plane is a P-3 Orion that has been civilianized and then modified for firefighting.

As for size estimate, the propellors are 4.11 meters (about 13.5 feet) in diameter.

Attached is a typical example of a firefighting version.

 

[Lostatsea3]

Uh, Shutter speed for capturing the props is somewhat irrelevant... you couldn't do it on a camera phone but any decent digital would be able to. I caught a shot of my dads plane just on my older canon camera that cost like.... $400.

 

[hayduke]

Uh, Shutter speed for capturing the props is somewhat irrelevant... you couldn't do it on a camera phone but any decent digital would be able to. I caught a shot of my dads plane just on my older canon camera that cost like.... $400.

The argument wasn't that you needed a super-duper camera to freeze the prop motion. The argument was that to do so you can end up with a grainy photo (high shutter speed, high ISO). And, yes, you can do this with a PoS P&S.

 

[Crucial]

the people in the picture appear to be facing away - if they're not, the man is leaning his leg inwards in a strange way, which implies that the plane is behind the house.

the noise and general crapness of the image could be due to it being a big crop of the original frame.

 

[noodle654]

It looks real...if I looked at it closer at a higher resolution we could get a better decision.

 

[Dan Lorth]

what is going on in that photo is what is reffered to as telephoto compression. When using a long telephoto lens, a phenomenon happends where the scale and the three dimensional qualities get compressed. A great example of this is this photo:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/tailcodes/blue-angels.jpg

the airplanes all seem like they are in the same plane of focus and the only real hint that they are stacked line abreast is that logically you know that an F-18 only comes in one size.

As far as the "noise" and the "uniformity of the grain", that all has to do with sensor nr and pixel pitch. If the photojournalist who shot that photo was using an older camera (and I would bet he or she was), then the increased energy on the sensor from using a higher ISO or even an improperly exposed frame would cause the grain patterns.

first post.

 

[gehrbox]

what is going on in that photo is what is reffered to as telephoto compression. When using a long telephoto lens, a phenomenon happends where the scale and the three dimensional qualities get compressed. A great example of this is this photo:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/tailcodes/blue-angels.jpg

the airplanes all seem like they are in the same plane of focus and the only real hint that they are stacked line abreast is that logically you know that an F-18 only comes in one size.

Good point and example.

 

[jodelli]

Ok fair point about the powder. I can see it in front of the house but its pretty hard to see it clearly and even moreso to convince some one.

Regarding the angle of the plane, remember that it is dropping from the sky and the rudder (tail) is in use so the plane is infact yawing as it also drops at an unusual speed. Basically the nose is pointing to the left but the plane continues to go forward. A bit like skidding in a car. The rudder is on (right) to correct the left yaw and its causes a bit of an optical illusion.

Also if the plane was behind the house it would have to be massive. Check the size of the engines. If it was behind then each engine would be roughly half the length of the house.

I dont know what model of plane it is but I do know it is only a small (well medium) sized plane.

Can you tell I'm bored?

It's a P3 Orion, height of 34 ft base to tail, about a hundred twenty feet long. They are capable of short field landings, meaning they can practically hover just above stall speed. The four engines are each 5,000 hp turboprops with a top forward speed of about 470 mph.