I see this as a good thing. Clearly people don't like the new mini and this guy just further confirms it. Doesn't change the fact that the new mini is a huge downgrade in a lot of ways. Maybe apple will notice and make changes for next year. Of course if people keep apologizing, maybe they will cripple it further.
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Or people could use "the right tool for the job" as you mention in your other post and pick the right unit for the right circumstances and use case, a concept foreign and incomprehensible to most on this forum.
No, that is absolutely right, which is why so many are annoyed with the new mini and won't be purchasing it. Apple no longer makes a tool that fits for us.
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Also, this "imore" guy mentions that he sells apple computers, so obviously he is going to say people need to get over it and buy it... what a joke.
Except that a segment of the user base no longer can apply your advice. There is no "right unit" for anything remotely CPU intensive.
I'd consider getting one of the new ones for day to day use (which occupies most of my computer time, for sure), but I'd be stuck having to upgrade my other computer for the heavy tasks. Not only would this cost a alot, but my files and workflow would be fragmented. I think I'd rather have it all on one machine.
I agree with him about the RAM. Most people won't upgrade it. And I frankly wouldn't care if the upgrade to 16GB wasn't so outrageous. The 8GB upgrade is fair I think.
But I disagree that this new line is an upgrade for the average user. I bet that they won't notice one single difference between the 2012 and the 2014 base model.
Had they upped the RAM to 8GB and put an SSD or Fusion Drive in it then yes, it would have been a huge step up in speed even for the casual user.
Most people will not care about or notice the upgraded WiFi, Thunderbolt 2 or even the GPU.
For those who do require some more power then the 2014 line is clearly a downgrade. I fail to see how it's "incredibly stupid" to suggest to grab the 2012 model instead? It's far more bang for the buck.
To get that kind of performance with the current offerings you would have to step up to the iMac line.
I let the mods know that this is a duplicate thread. Here's the original:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1809130/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1809130/
They do make a unit for you, unfortunately its not nearly as cost effective as the 2012 quad core.
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Missed it. I'm sure you also mentioned the half dozen duplicate "the new mac mini sucks" threads.
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I agree that his statement about picking up an old one is stupid. Its a great solution while they are still around for the folks who need it. I strongly considered one as well.
For the average know-nothing user, your statement could be applied to just about anything from phones to tablets to PCs of any make.
Me foaming? This guy actually told us to shut up. And then he goes on a long Apple apology that was cluelessly insulting. To be fair, he tried to redeem himself at the end, but the damage had already been done.
Well, like the author, I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees. And you closed with an Apple apology. Sweet!
The Apple apology thing is such a non sequitur. So what kind of apologist does this make that people that are screaming at Apple.
There are always people that believe Apple never does wrong, those that are not as bothered by these changes as others. On the other extreme people are that are angry at everything Apple does that does not personally make them happy.
So far I've not seen anybody that sees Apple as perfect. What there does seem to be a lot of is rants on how this is the end.
Both sides are right and there is a consumer out there that will like the 2014s and a consumer that won't. There is not a whole lot to be excited about, good or bad, either way.
Not exactly a replacement then, is it? If it costs 3-6 times the amount? It's a different machine in an entirely different category.
Apple has been on a path of destruction for a while now.
1. Sealed non-upgradeable imacs
2. The new mac pro joke.
3. Non removable laptop batteries
4. iphone 5c
5. ipad mini 3
6. IOS 7, 8
7. That horrible thing they are calling a watch
8. Yosemite
9. Non upgradeable mac mini
Its all going to catch up soon. I have given up on them. Sticking with the older Apple gear and software until they make it impossible then I'm out.
I was lucky enough to score one of the last 2.6ghz quad 2012 model from B&H and its noticeably faster than my 2.5ghz dual 2012. If you don't have a quad, well you don't know what you're missing.
1. Sealed non-upgradeable imacs
2. The new mac pro joke.
3. Non removable laptop batteries
4. iphone 5c
5. ipad mini 3
6. IOS 7, 8
7. That horrible thing they are calling a watch
8. Yosemite
9. Non upgradeable mac mini
Its all going to catch up soon. I have given up on them. Sticking with the older Apple gear and software until they make it impossible then I'm out.
I was lucky enough to score one of the last 2.6ghz quad 2012 model from B&H and its noticeably faster than my 2.5ghz dual 2012. If you don't have a quad, well you don't know what you're missing.
It's not a matter of being perfect. It's a matter of being on a path of excellence versus being on a path of greed. Apple is leaning too far to the latter with the 2014 Mac Mini. After two years this is what they come up with? Besides you, who are they kidding.
When Yosemite was first launched and installed, I get excited by the Handoff & Continuity features in Macbook Air 2014. So, I started plans for available choices.
Plan A:
Get rid of Mac Pro (Early 2008) out of my bedroom and buy a faster and cooler Mac Mini (presumably) with full support of Yosemite new features.
Plan B:
Revive Mac Pro with 512GB SSD, USB 3.0 and Bluetooth 4 LE + 802.11ac.
Thank you Apple of saving me money and making the decision easy.
Plan B is the way, and it costs me around $350; compared to $1600 full spec's Mac Mini.
Plan A:
Get rid of Mac Pro (Early 2008) out of my bedroom and buy a faster and cooler Mac Mini (presumably) with full support of Yosemite new features.
Plan B:
Revive Mac Pro with 512GB SSD, USB 3.0 and Bluetooth 4 LE + 802.11ac.
Thank you Apple of saving me money and making the decision easy.
Plan B is the way, and it costs me around $350; compared to $1600 full spec's Mac Mini.
Probably, but you called me a rabid dog, so I called you a sheep. I think we're even.
Cheers!
It was stated Apple doesn't make a unit for those with more demanding hardware needs. I was just pointing out that they do, indeed, just at a far higher cost. I never said it was equal, just that it is an option.
There's a certain bit of truth to it.
I have a hard time seeing anyone buying the cheapest $499 base model and putting more RAM in it. What the heck would be the point? That is a slow, simple, very cheap Mac for institutions and such. Maybe a home theater setup. It does have way better graphics performance than the 2012 model, but past that it's just a super-cheap Mac.
Once you step into the faster, more capable sweet spot $699 Mac Mini, you get 8GB or RAM. Will that be enough in the 2018 or 2020 timeframe? Probably not or just barely depending on usecase. Will the type of buyer who knew to purchase the $699 model still have the 2014 Mac Mini as their main desktop in 2018-2020? DOUBT IT!
I understand those who need a quad core are ticked off, but the hard fact is most users won't see a difference. But if it was a deal-killer for me then I would understand.
The lack of easily added second bootable HD is the only thing that irks me personally. But We'll see.
I have a hard time seeing anyone buying the cheapest $499 base model and putting more RAM in it. What the heck would be the point? That is a slow, simple, very cheap Mac for institutions and such. Maybe a home theater setup. It does have way better graphics performance than the 2012 model, but past that it's just a super-cheap Mac.
Once you step into the faster, more capable sweet spot $699 Mac Mini, you get 8GB or RAM. Will that be enough in the 2018 or 2020 timeframe? Probably not or just barely depending on usecase. Will the type of buyer who knew to purchase the $699 model still have the 2014 Mac Mini as their main desktop in 2018-2020? DOUBT IT!
I understand those who need a quad core are ticked off, but the hard fact is most users won't see a difference. But if it was a deal-killer for me then I would understand.
The lack of easily added second bootable HD is the only thing that irks me personally. But We'll see.
Please, people have been saying that for YEARS, "OMG Apple Switched to Intel, this is the end" Please they are making money hand over first, wake up.
FYI: iPhone 5C was the best selling mobile phone in the UK http://9to5mac.com/2014/10/01/iphone-5c-best-selling-phone/
DOOMED i tells you, DOOMED!
My take on the matter:
Intel has screwed a lot of manufacturers with Broadwell delays, Foxconn/Apple had to refresh the mini as the old CPU's are running dry; so what do they do? Retool the machines to make a product that would sell in lower volume for ~6 months? No, they use the machines that make Retina Macbook Pro motherboards and make the machine today; I bet you when broad well comes out, a new Mini with the Quad Core CPU will be available.
That might be Apple's perception of their market, but how many (home) users actually give a cr*p about energy efficiency and 'invisibility' (both within certain tolerances, obviously)?
People buy minis for many reasons but I think it's chiefly down to the gaping void in the Apple range between mini and Mac Pro, which is occupied only by the loathsome iMac.
I am sure that most home users are more than satisfied with a dual-core machine. Same goes for organisations. The quad core option was primarily interesting for 'geeky' purposes, such as running it as a server or a secondary/intermediate processing machine, or even setting up a distributed computing cluster. Yeah, those users will suffer, but I would be very surprised if there are many of them.
P.S. Why is the iMac loathsome? Its seriously the best home use machine, if one wants to stick with Apple.
I guess it is due to the brutally bad heat dissipation. Huge percentage of iMacs will have encountered some kind of technical meltdown along the road because of it. If not the graphic card, the logic board is way more prone to fail.