Rumors that Mac will be removing Rosetta on next release version 11.3. If that is the case, I can see an avalanche of complaints and legal suits against Apple as one of the selling points of M1 is Rosetta.... this is going to be interesting!
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Removal of Rosetta on Big Sur 11.3?
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There were some text strings found in the code that say this. There is no guarantee they will even be used. Some have said the text strings have been there since big Sur was released.
Yes, but it would be a big problem if the US were one of those countries.
I imagine that Apple is working hard on some kind of licensing deal. In the meantime, I'm sticking with Intel Macs personally.
What is more likely?
Rosetta stays during AT LEAST the two year Intel -> Apple Silicon transition. It is removed from select countries due to legal/political/whatever reasons and Apple is FORCED to due to those reasons.
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Apple silently removes a critical component that lets Apple Silicon macs be relevant during this transition during a minor update to an OS (not macOS 12 or 13) - thus essentially killing off their entire product line.
Rosetta stays during AT LEAST the two year Intel -> Apple Silicon transition. It is removed from select countries due to legal/political/whatever reasons and Apple is FORCED to due to those reasons.
OR
Apple silently removes a critical component that lets Apple Silicon macs be relevant during this transition during a minor update to an OS (not macOS 12 or 13) - thus essentially killing off their entire product line.
If you're running your life, business, schooling on a platform; the non-zero chance that you could lose critical programs has to be a concern.
What!? You're not supposed to use common sense here!
Why would it be removed in the US? Probably aimed at countries that doesn't sell Mac/Apple products, maybe to reduce "piracy" market.
Back in 2017, when Microsoft began work on Windows 10 for ARM, the company announced x86 app emulation just like Apple. However, Intel threatened Microsoft by claiming that the x86 architecture has proprietary technologies and could not be emulated on other processors without permission.
Although Windows 10 ARM was capable of emulating 32-bit apps from the x86 architecture, 64-bit app emulation was only recently added in an Insider Preview build — which could be related to Intel’s patents. Apple could be getting ready to face a similar dispute with its Rosetta 2 technology.
Apple may disable Rosetta 2 on M1 Macs in some regions, macOS 11.3 code suggests - 9to5Mac
Just like the original Rosetta technology, Rosetta 2 lets users run macOS apps from one platform on another — this...
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Rosetta is not going to be removed in 11.3. Tons of people over the entire world use the 11.3 dev beta and somehow nobody yet has run into any issues. It's just a standard message from a standard message catalogue, and most likely one that has been there since the beginning (given that people reported seeing this message as early as December)
AMD was the creator of the original x86_64 instruction set. Not sure, who really owns the evolved result. Intel's Itanium did not go anywhere except servers.Back in 2017, when Microsoft began work on Windows 10 for ARM, the company announced x86 app emulation just like Apple. However, Intel threatened Microsoft by claiming that the x86 architecture has proprietary technologies and could not be emulated on other processors without permission.
Although Windows 10 ARM was capable of emulating 32-bit apps from the x86 architecture, 64-bit app emulation was only recently added in an Insider Preview build — which could be related to Intel’s patents. Apple could be getting ready to face a similar dispute with its Rosetta 2 technology.
Apple may disable Rosetta 2 on M1 Macs in some regions, macOS 11.3 code suggests - 9to5Mac
Just like the original Rosetta technology, Rosetta 2 lets users run macOS apps from one platform on another — this...
I think that Intel did MMX and AMD did what later became known as SSE and then it was mainly Intel leading the way for SSE* and AVX*.
It's possible that Intel and AMD did cross-licensing for x86-64 and the vector stuff. They clearly don't have issues and AMD doesn't seem to have issues with emulation.
My username sometimes comes in handy for these discussions.
I’m not concerned about it until there is a official word.
As far as sticking with Intel Macs. Nope. My M1 Mini is running my main apps like butter. One being Pro Tools.
I came close to buying a 2020 iMac instead of the M1 Mini and glad I didn’t.
The M1 has been the one of if not the most satisfying computer experiences in my career and I go back to the Performa 200 also know as the Macintosh Classic 2 and had just about everything between.
As far as sticking with Intel Macs. Nope. My M1 Mini is running my main apps like butter. One being Pro Tools.
I came close to buying a 2020 iMac instead of the M1 Mini and glad I didn’t.
The M1 has been the one of if not the most satisfying computer experiences in my career and I go back to the Performa 200 also know as the Macintosh Classic 2 and had just about everything between.
I'm running on Windows for my main system right now. The hardware is very close to the i7-10700 iMac 2020 and it gets the job done, mainly because it has a lot of RAM. I have MacBook Pros and an iMac and a VM if I need to run macOS. I'll just wait until they have models with more RAM as I can be very patient.
dam stupid hp suggest my client for billing system. Horrible because no os support except red hat that time.
It's doubtful and if you really think about it, Apple wants to sell their new Apple Silicon computers so there would be no reason for them to remove Rosetta that soon. Probably after the 2 year transition.
Any lawsuit would get thrown out of court instantly because there's nothing written in a contract that states Apple has agreed to keep Rosetta in the OS until the entire two year transition has happened. That's the problem with this world (especially in the United States) when it comes to Apple, they get mad at Apple and think a lawsuit is the solution. I can't even respect that.
People are freaking out about this way too much. If Apple were to do this they would basically be making the ASi transition DOA. These are just strings. They're probably not actually used anywhere. They were most likely put there in the event something would come up, like a legal or licensing issue, where they could disable Rosetta 2 in certain regions if needed. AFAIK there are currently no such issues. This is most likely something that was added as a "just in case something like this happens we can do something about it" CYA for Apple.
False advertising is still a punishable thing. Highs-level Apple execs stated on multiple occasions that Intel apps will continue running seamless. I don't have the exact quote but it was something along the lines of "Rosetta will just work for you and if it doesn't, well you should take us up on that". That sounds like a good basis for a lawsuit for me.
Lawsuits are an established legal mechanisms for defending one's interests and seeking justice, especially if the opposite party is a powerful commercial entity. Of course some lawsuits are opportunistic and frivolous, but there is always some degree of abuse in any system. Please don't fall victim to the long-running marketing campaign targeted to ridicule customers that sue corporations (yeah, that's a thing, welcome to USA).
I agree with what you’re saying. Sadly there are a lot of opportunistic customers who sue just because the company in question is a giant. I guess my issue is the OP is creating a situation that hasn’t even happened. Apple never said they were about to pull Rosetta. That should make sense to no one simply because they just introduced the M1 Macs so the OP is already talking about a made scenario of Apple dumping Rosetta early and jumping right to talking about a lawsuit for no real reason. It’s better to let things happen first. For me these types of threads offer nonsensical info and cause unnecessary negativity towards Apple which is what many people here enjoy doing.
There are opportunistic lawyers who specialize on that kind of thing. It's sad, really.
Well, you know how people are. The more ridiculous the thing, the more buzz it generates.
If you are running your life, business, schooling on a platform, you don't change it to a completely different platform immediately. Companies are still on Windows 10 1809 and not on 20H2 for this reason. They go through VERY extensive testing. And also why companies were still on Windows 7 until recently last year. They did not immediately jump to Windows 10 day one. If your life depends on Intel versions of Mac apps, don't jump on Apple Silicon until the transition is more mature.
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