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Response to Astroboy907, coolguy4747 and Truthfulie 07102014

I would like to start by responding to an earlier comment made by Cameron (cambookpro) in his July 7th posting.

In his post on July 7th Cameron indicated: “It's just not worth Apple's time anymore, considering the 'iWatch' is meant to be their next killer product that will diminish sales even further.”

I have done some research on the “iWatch” on macrumors and learned the following:

> Though we don't know exactly what the iWatch will look like, it is expected to include a durable sapphire crystal display, produced in collaboration with Apple partner GT Advanced.

> Apple's iWatch will offer a "fashionable design" according to Kuo, and could be available in multiple materials at different price points and in multiple sizes.

> The iWatch will be able to measure multiple different health-related metrics like steps taken, calories burned, sleep quality, heart rate, and more.

> The iWatch is said to include 10 different sensors to track health and fitness, providing an overall picture of health and making the health-tracking experience more accessible to the general public.

An article by Tero Kuittinen of BGR on May 5, 2014 further speculates the following:

> Nevertheless, it’s intriguing to think that Apple may be plotting to dive deep into real-time blood chemistry, heart rate and respiration analysis. This could turn the iWatch into a far more medical device than most industry observers have earlier anticipated.

> It’s not impossible that the long-term goal here is to integrate the device into U.S. healthcare infrastructure, particularly the gigantic and old-fashioned health insurance sector.

> Could consumers be granted cheaper insurance premiums if they agree to wear iWatches, which could help speed up heart attack response, blunt the damage from diabetes and even predict coming health crisis like strokes?

The first issue with the iWatch will occur if Apple introduces it at a price that most individuals are not be willing to spend.

Lisa Eadicicco of the Business Insider published this chart in an article on June 25, 2014. The statistics shown in the chart don’t appear very favorable for Apple sales of the iWatch (please see attached chart.)

Next can we please talk about the realities of exercise among individuals in the US population? According to a USA Today article written by Nanci Hellmich on May 2, 2013:

> Most adults in the USA aren't meeting the federal physical activity recommendations for both aerobic exercise and muscle-strengthening activity, according to government statistics out today

> About 79% of adults don't meet the physical activity guidelines that advise getting at least 2½ hours a week of moderate-intensity aerobic activity

Other research indicates that people are less active than these statistics suggest.

Scientists with the National Cancer Institute, using actual motion sensors, found that fewer than 5% of adults in the USA get at least 30 minutes a day of moderate-intensity physical activity in bouts of at least 10 minutes.

Although my lifestyle includes exercise many days a week for an hour or more the USA Today statistics paint a different of exercise among the US population.

In addition there have been numerous devices around for years that monitor an individual’s “health related metrics.” They range from heart monitors, calorie counters, pedometers to step counters. Looking at the USA Today statistics these devices don’t seem to have added incentive for people to exercise.

The fact is that the only thing that will cause an individual to make a lifestyle change involving exercise is a personal commitment on their part to make this change. Our arms and legs are the best exercise equipment we have. Many individuals who purchase an iWatch with health related features might not use them.

I don’t think that either of these suggestions by BGR has very much merit:

> “Nevertheless, it’s intriguing to think that Apple may be plotting to dive deep into real-time blood chemistry, heart rate and respiration analysis. This could turn the iWatch into a far more medical device than most industry observers have earlier anticipated.”

> It’s not impossible that the long-term goal here is to integrate the device into U.S. healthcare infrastructure, particularly the gigantic and old-fashioned health insurance sector.

Although Apple can afford to buy companies with healthcare expertise I don’t think they can impact the US healthcare infrastructure in the manner proposed during the couple of decades.

An Apple iWatch or any Apple wearable may be “sexy” to Apple followers…but they might be attempting to put to many features into a small iWatch package...and furthermore features that a lot of people may not use.

I know that I didn’t mention the possibility of streaming music and the Beats connection but its all-only speculation at this point in time anyway.

coolguy4747, thank you for your kind words.

coolguy4747 said “They're approaching the end of the iPod days” and Truthfulie concurred with his comment that “The world is moving towards streaming music services, not downloading to local storage hence the decline of iTunes sales and eventual death of iPods.

Each of you is forcing me to re-think my ideas related to the iPod touch. I will leave my comments on this for a future post.

Respectfully….Ralph
 

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It seems like you've done a lot of research! I agree that as a mainly-health based device, the iWatch may only fill small niches, like people with medical problems or fitness fanatics. However, I see it as a small part of a larger package, with other features that tie in to the iOS ecosystem.

Just to clear it up, Apple confirmed that they bought Beats for $3bn, so it isn't speculation at this point - it's a done deal. I think this emphasises how they see where music is heading, and that's to streaming and to the cloud, which unfortunately excludes the iPod.

Just a short post today, just thought I'd add a couple of points!
 
Response to cambookpro 07132013

Cameron,

I think that you are correct about Apple wanting to "tie in to the iOS ecosystem" most likely to the exclusion of the iPod.

You once suggested that I put my energies into something else. I have been listening, don't have time to today, but will tell you what I am thinking now early next week.

...best...Ralph

...on a personal note...knowing you live in the UK....it's a small world....my older daughter who lives in the UK with her husband just had my first grandson....I will be visiting them in Shrewsbury mid-September...:)
 
Cameron,

I think that you are correct about Apple wanting to "tie in to the iOS ecosystem" most likely to the exclusion of the iPod.

You once suggested that I put my energies into something else. I have been listening, don't have time to today, but will tell you what I am thinking now early next week.

...best...Ralph

...on a personal note...knowing you live in the UK....it's a small world....my older daughter who lives in the UK with her husband just had my first grandson....I will be visiting them in Shrewsbury mid-September...:)

I'm looking forward to hearing your ideas :)

And congratulations! I was in Shrewsbury not three weeks ago... It's a small world indeed.
 
Final post to this thread

Each of us at some point during our lives comes up with an idea that we think is original. One afternoon while listening to my 5th gen IPod Nano, it occurred to me that searching for my songs using a search bar would be easier then scrolling to find them. Shortly thereafter I found MacRumors and started this thread.

Little did I know that Apple had already invented and marketed the iPod touch.
I am now in agreement with those of you who have expressed the viewpoint that the iPods days are limited.

Today will be my last post to this thread. I would like to use it to share something very personal. Three months after retiring my precious wife Barbara was diagnosed with Brain Cancer Stage 4 Glioblastoma multiforme (GBM). GBM is one of the most lethal forms of cancer.

We battled GBM with the support of brilliant doctors located at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville Tennessee. Despite our efforts and those of Barbara’s medical team, she lost her life to GBM just as Senator Ted Kennedy did in 2009.

I am currently authoring a book about Barbara’s battle against GBM, the special love we shared and more. My goal is to publish this book by the end of 2014. This book will be very powerful. I predict that it will quickly rise to the top of the best sellers list.

The rest of my life will be dedicated to honoring Barbara. I have already completed a tribute to her named “Barbara’s Stones of Strength” (Please see the attached file....my book will have this same name)

In addition to honoring Barbara I created "stones" to spread hope to others confronting cancer. In the near future it will be distributed by Vanderbilt University Medical Center and Hospice of the Chesapeake in Maryland.

I want to thank each of you who took time to post your thoughts in this thread. I enjoyed the collaboration that has taken place between us since Jun 19th. I want to wish each of you and those you hold dear to your hearts only good health and happiness.

…Warm regards...Ralph Donsky


PS – Cameron…perhaps we will meet sometime in the UK during a future visit to my daughter’s house ☺
 

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First I need to offer an apology. As iOzzie pointed out I should have been referencing the comment made by sfgiants320 rather then iOzzie. Yes this is the first time I ever posted in this forum. Operator error on my part in referencing the wrong name of the individual who posted. Can I please ask a favor? In future posts can you please sign your post with your first name? This will make this dialogue so much easier to maintain.

I want to respond to the comment made by Astroboy907. AppleCare agreements are not as expensive as you may suspect. This is information I just found on an Apple internet site.

AppleCare+ for iPhone

Every iPhone comes with one year of hardware repair coverage through its limited warranty and up to 90 days of complimentary support. AppleCare+ for iPhone extends your coverage to two years from the original purchase date of your iPhone(1) and adds up to two incidents of accidental damage coverage, each subject to a $79 service fee plus applicable tax.(2)


If the retail price of an iPod touch became $99.99 + $79 = $179 this cost would still be less then the lowest priced Ipod touch (16GB for $299). The fact that Verizon sold me an iPhone 5s for $99.99 implies to me that the cost of manufacturing this piece of hardware/software is less then what we might imagine. Nevertheless I believe that success in the marketing strategy I am proposing lies in volume. Let's say that Apple sells a million iPod touch(es). The $79 added to each purchase price for the AppleCare agreement would net Apple $79,000,000. My question is this? Would this revenue be enough to send Apple soaring again as a marketer of MP3 players?

Lets keep the dialogue going....kindly state you first name at the end of your post....thanks.....Ralph

Not trying to be mean, but learn how to internet bro. People don't need to sign their names, just look at who posted. And when you're responding to someone specific, use the "Quote" button so you don't have to preface each post with who you're replying to.
 
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The current nano incorporates the central button traditionally found on the headsets with in-line controls, so you can control it without looking. So yeah, the click wheel is pretty much dead.

That is assuming that you are using headphones with in line controls.

I will make an assumption here that the target market for a large iPod Classic would generally not use such headphones.
 
That is assuming that you are using headphones with in line controls.

I will make an assumption here that the target market for a large iPod Classic would generally not use such headphones.

You misunderstand me. The current Nano has the three buttons traditionally found on the in-line built in:
apple-ipod-nano-specs.jpg
 
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