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Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone

De mortuis nihil nisi bonum

This guy is an extremist. The notion of free and open code is great until you realize 99.9% of the populace can't understand it. If he were to have his way, computers might still be hobbies in the garages of the geeks.
 
He can disagree with Jobs' methods all he wants but the fact remains Steve Jobs did more to get technology in the hands of everyday people than this guy ever did.

Sure he's done some amazing software but his attitude sucks! People will never take him or his message seriously again.
 
Richard Stallman, ignorant, free loading, lazy, big mouth, IDIOT.

They want to benefit from others hard work .... for free.

Apple won't change what works, their excellent software is the reason many buy Apple products.

Stallman needs a day with a Mac, iPad and iPhone ... maybe with less frustrating software he wouldn't put his foot in his mouth so often.
 
I don't see what's wrong with his statement (let the down modding begin). The guy is against proprietary software and locking down computing, something Apple is pushing on a wide scale with things like iOS. The guy is for total freedom of computing where the power is in the hands of the user to do as he sees fit with software and hardware he has acquired.

It's not like he's saying he's glad Jobs died or anything, he's just glad there's one less player trying to prevent us from having the freedom of our software and hardware. I can see his point.

entatlrg said:
Richard Stallman, ignorant, free loading, lazy, big mouth, IDIOT.
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You might not agree with him, but those are things Richard Stallman isn't. Free loading ? Lazy ? The guy wrote more software for his own use than you can imagine. How is that free loading ? How is that lazy ?

Don't belittle the contributions (things that are even found on OS X ! If anything, Apple is "free loading" off his work with his permission) because you don't agree with his opinion.
 
He's a crackpot. Everyone knows this.

When a man like SJ passes away you'll inevitably get all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork who felt oppressed and so very put upon by Apple's accomplishments. Jealousy and envy is a hard road.
 
I'm not much of a computer fan. I just create music with mine. It's a tool. I'd never heard of this bloke but having followed the link ... what has he said that's so bad? The article is dripping with the Apple Zealot Ooze of condemnation but as for what he actually said? Nothing untoward at all. If these people "sorrow" at the loss of a CEO how do they get out of bed on a morning and read the news? Unbelievable.
 
Stallman:

But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.

Right. And desktop Linux has been an astounding success.

Tell all the consumers that keep coming back for more, Richard. I suppose the "malign influence" is something people actually want and keep opening their wallets for.

Steve was one of the few positive influences, and we're the better for it. Stallman is smart, but way, way out of touch. He's a washed up hacker whose vision never really materialized, and by the looks of it he never got over it.

Of course, Stallman is quick to assume that Since Steve is gone, so is his vision, and Apple will do a 180. I doubt Tim Cook is dumb enough to allow that.
 
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Stallman doesn't understand people, that just want to get work/amusement done with their devices and couldn't care less about the license of their software (i don't think i know even one person reading the license agreement of a software before accepting it). Extremism is never good. The mere notion of it is madness. Stallman's ideal world would be an anarchic one. Wouldn't last five minutes.
 
They were obviously very opposed politically/ideologically. That's all. Nothing terrible was said. I mean, the OP refuses to go to his site. Why? Stallman's an eccentric by the sounds of it to me.

To GPat: The world needs more eccentrics and anarchists. That's usually where the good literature and music comes from!

We all have to put up with crap and those who oppose our views (Idiots!) No need to go ape-**** over it. Jobs was a billionaire and he's a tinkerer in his shed isn't he? Let him have 5 minutes.
 
Henri Gaudier said:
They were obviously very opposed politically/ideologically. That's all. Nothing terrible was said. I mean, the OP refuses to go to his site. Why? Stallman's an eccentric by the sounds of it to me.

To GPat: The world needs more eccentrics and anarchists. That's usually where the good literature and music comes from!

We all have to put up with crap and those who oppose our views (Idiots!) No need to go ape-**** over it. Jobs was a billionaire and he's a tinkerer in his shed isn't he? Let him have 5 minutes.
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Stallman is approaching Looneyville, foot firmly on the gas.

Enjoy this thread.

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/is-this-for-real-help-204284591.html
 
KnightWRX said:
I don't see what's wrong with his statement (let the down modding begin). The guy is against proprietary software and locking down computing, something Apple is pushing on a wide scale with things like iOS. The guy is for total freedom of computing where the power is in the hands of the user to do as he sees fit with software and hardware he has acquired.

It's not like he's saying he's glad Jobs died or anything, he's just glad there's one less player trying to prevent us from having the freedom of our software and hardware. I can see his point.



You might not agree with him, but those are things Richard Stallman isn't. Free loading ? Lazy ? The guy wrote more software for his own use than you can imagine. How is that free loading ? How is that lazy ?

Don't belittle the contributions (things that are even found on OS X ! If anything, Apple is "free loading" off his work with his permission) because you don't agree with his opinion.
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I can here jsut to say this. Anyone who feels otherwise doesn't understand his viewpoints - or would rather vendor lock in for some weird reason!
 
KnightWRX said:
I don't see what's wrong with his statement (let the down modding begin). The guy is against proprietary software and locking down computing, something Apple is pushing on a wide scale with things like iOS. The guy is for total freedom of computing where the power is in the hands of the user to do as he sees fit with software and hardware he has acquired.

It's not like he's saying he's glad Jobs died or anything, he's just glad there's one less player trying to prevent us from having the freedom of our software and hardware. I can see his point.



You might not agree with him, but those are things Richard Stallman isn't. Free loading ? Lazy ? The guy wrote more software for his own use than you can imagine. How is that free loading ? How is that lazy ?

Don't belittle the contributions (things that are even found on OS X ! If anything, Apple is "free loading" off his work with his permission) because you don't agree with his opinion.
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Tell that to software engineer who writes software to put food on the table. There is a big difference between doing something as a hobby and doing something for economic benefit. Chances are that if there's economic benefit involved, one will put in a lot more effort into the activity. Now that's not to say that people are not passionate about writing software. There are people who like to write code and do it because it's a passion, but such people are few and far in between.

Video games have advanced quite a bit over they years. There are some amazing games out there like Call of Duty. Each version gets better and better. And Call of Duty is not free software. Activision, the developer of Call of Duty, would not have had an incentive to innovate on each iteration if it weren't for the benefit. Those software developers do it for a living. They do it to put food on the table.
 
*LTD* said:
Stallman is approaching Looneyville, foot firmly on the gas.

Enjoy this thread.

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/is-this-for-real-help-204284591.html
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He sounds like me! Seriously though, I get into trouble with people who don't know me well. (And occasionally those who do) I have a sense of humour that, combined with a genuine, unequivocal and serious opposition to many a common value, that lands me in a heap of *****.

Maybe you're right, maybe he is genuinely a necrophiliac paedophile or perhaps, as I intuit, a trouble maker and agent provocateur at these times. I mean, I find the OP's tag line of "Support Israel" more offensive than anything I read in the cited article. But that's life. We all have to get on with living. Also, I find the reverence shown to Jobs more offensive than anything Stallman said. He was a CEO of a major corp at the end of the day. Boo hoo. Great men are sentenced to the looney bin every day and no one gives a flying weasel ******. Doesn't Apple owe more to Ives than Jobs? I don't know. I just took offence at the tone of the OP. Thought the little bloke was getting shafted. If you care about stuff in a particular field you do get these bogey figures whether they're selling vivisection or soap powder. My impression was that Stallman was in this category. Who knows?

Anyway, it's freezing here. Thought I could get away without the stove tonight but I can't and so I'm off to get some wood and feed the cats.:)

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"Kin she - at". Has the swear detector become more intelligent? :mad: I thought I'd get my lines through but no. Nothing but ******:eek:***** For fook en ells sake!:p:D:):eek::mad::rolleyes::D:D:D
 
entatlrg said:
Richard Stallman, ignorant, free loading, lazy, big mouth, IDIOT.

They want to benefit from others hard work .... for free.

Apple won't change what works, their excellent software is the reason many buy Apple products.

Stallman needs a day with a Mac, iPad and iPhone ... maybe with less frustrating software he wouldn't put his foot in his mouth so often.
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Stallman graduated from Harvard magna cum laude, and has contributed a lot of stuff to the world for free. He's a weird guy and definitely a bit of a dick, but he's not dumb or lazy.
 
vvswarup said:
Tell that to software engineer who writes software to put food on the table.
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Richard Stallman is not against making money off of software. So why are you bringing this up? Heck Apple makes good money and does use and contribute to Free and open source software projects.
 
kresh said:
This attitude is the exact reason I can't stomach Linux and the religion of "free".
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It's worth noting that although most Linux distributions use the GNU tools, Linux (the kernel) is not something that was created by the Free Software Foundation.

I don't think that a lot of Open Source "Celebrities" do a very good job of putting forward their message. For me, it's just about choice. My problem comes when you can't move documents between platforms or develop your programs in the method you would like because of proprietary file formats, licensing etc.

Open Source has its place and is used a lot more than people would think. A lot of enterprise apps are based on JBoss for example and the Apache web server is very popular. Any Firefox users here?

The company I work for make extensive use of Open Source software in our product and we still make a healthy profit (of course - the stuff we put on top is proprietary).
 
*LTD* said:
Stallman:

But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.

Right. And desktop Linux has been an astounding success.

Tell all the consumers that keep coming back for more, Richard. I suppose the "malign influence" is something people actually want and keep opening their wallets for.

Steve was one of the few positive influences, and we're the better for it. Stallman is smart, but way, way out of touch. He's a washed up hacker whose vision never really materialized, and by the looks of it he never got over it.

Of course, Stallman is quick to assume that Since Steve is gone, so is his vision, and Apple will do a 180. I doubt Tim Cook is dumb enough to allow that.
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Weelll... RSMs contribution has been GNU tools rather than Linux, as such span far more than linux distos.

But I too puzzle at either party's denigration of the other without recognizing they have both stood on and continue to stand on the others toes at some point.
 
*LTD* said:
He's a crackpot. Everyone knows this.

When a man like SJ passes away you'll inevitably get all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork who felt oppressed and so very put upon by Apple's accomplishments. Jealousy and envy is a hard road.
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What do YOU know about writing software? Maybe the guy is a crackpot regarding FOSS but I suspect you're more angry that someone isn't bowing down to the Steve Jobs shrine.
 
For the 6 billion of us on the planet who aren't programmers, how is open source any more open than closed source?
 
Chundles said:
He can disagree with Jobs' methods all he wants but the fact remains Steve Jobs did more to get technology in the hands of everyday people than this guy ever did.


Sure he's done some amazing software but his attitude sucks! People will never take him or his message seriously again.
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No, not even close..but he made a lot of money getting tech to people

entatlrg said:
Richard Stallman, ignorant, free loading, lazy, big mouth, IDIOT.

They want to benefit from others hard work .... for free.

Apple won't change what works, their excellent software is the reason many buy Apple products.

Stallman needs a day with a Mac, iPad and iPhone ... maybe with less frustrating software he wouldn't put his foot in his mouth so often.
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You do understand that Stallman was playing with computers while Woz and Jobs were in elementary school

*LTD* said:
He's a crackpot. Everyone knows this.

When a man like SJ passes away you'll inevitably get all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork who felt oppressed and so very put upon by Apple's accomplishments. Jealousy and envy is a hard road.
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You understand nothing about the man, jealousy toward Jobs/Gates really would not be his reaction. Gate/Jobs cause anger not jealousy

*LTD* said:
Stallman:

But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.

Right. And desktop Linux has been an astounding success.

Tell all the consumers that keep coming back for more, Richard. I suppose the "malign influence" is something people actually want and keep opening their wallets for.

Steve was one of the few positive influences, and we're the better for it. Stallman is smart, but way, way out of touch. He's a washed up hacker whose vision never really materialized, and by the looks of it he never got over it.

Of course, Stallman is quick to assume that Since Steve is gone, so is his vision, and Apple will do a 180. I doubt Tim Cook is dumb enough to allow that.
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Stallman has nothing to do with Linux, Linux is licensed under GNU/free software foundation..his creation

You can thank Linus Torvalds for Linux.

Stallman was/is one of the most influential tech geniuses out there. You may not like him but he really doesn't give a ******. The tech world could use a few more like him it'll keep the industry honest

Really folks Macs/OSX are fine but it's not the end it self..

Like Linus said "And the thing about an operating system is that you're never ever supposed to see it. Because nobody really uses an operating system; people use programs on their computer. And the only mission in life of an operating system is to help those programs run. So an operating system never does anything on its own; it's only waiting for the programs to ask for certain resources, or ask for a certain file on the disk, or ask to connect to the outside world. And then the operating system steps in and tries to make it easy for people to write programs."
 
KnightWRX said:
I don't see what's wrong with his statement (let the down modding begin). The guy is against proprietary software and locking down computing, something Apple is pushing on a wide scale with things like iOS. The guy is for total freedom of computing where the power is in the hands of the user to do as he sees fit with software and hardware he has acquired.

It's not like he's saying he's glad Jobs died or anything, he's just glad there's one less player trying to prevent us from having the freedom of our software and hardware. I can see his point.



You might not agree with him, but those are things Richard Stallman isn't. Free loading ? Lazy ? The guy wrote more software for his own use than you can imagine. How is that free loading ? How is that lazy ?

Don't belittle the contributions (things that are even found on OS X ! If anything, Apple is "free loading" off his work with his permission) because you don't agree with his opinion.
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People aren't buying iPhones/iPads/MacBook Airs because they're forced to at gunpoint They're buying them because they want to.

If Stallman thinks differently, good for him. But most users seem quite happy to have something that looks good, works well and is easy to use; even if it costs more and isn't "free/open".

I'm sorry, but Stallman's statement is a bit pathetic. He's glad Jobs is gone, because he'd prefer people not have the option of closed systems? If Stallman likes free/open systems, everyone else must as well?
 
KingCrimson said:
What do YOU know about writing software? Maybe the guy is a crackpot regarding FOSS but I suspect you're more angry that someone isn't bowing down to the Steve Jobs shrine.
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What he wrote were completely unnecessary and nasty comments. On top of that they were stupid comments, that are surely not going to help his cause in any way.

The days where people wanted to access the source code for a printer driver to make their printer work are over; if the printer driver doesn't work I return the printer driver for a refund. Stallman dreams of open software, but Linux is in Android phones (no source available), and in TVs and routers (and I bloody well don't give a damn what software runs in my TV or in my router as long as it works). He thinks the iPhone is closed, but _I_ can install any software that I write without any problems if I ever feel like doing it, while the one bit of software that doesn't run on it is GPL licensed software, directly because of Stallman's fascist attitude. There's the war between Google, the biggest seller of customer data vs. Apple, Microsoft etc. to force a second class video codec down our throats, because Stallman and the FSF painted themselves into a corner regarding patents. His great invention gcc has totally lost out to Clang, which is where the innovation is.

And the man could urgently do with a haircut.


Henri Gaudier said:
Doesn't Apple owe more to Ives than Jobs? I don't know.
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I read that the first iMac was already designed by Ives when Jobs returned to Apple, but rejected by management. So that's an interesting question. How much money would Wozniak have made without Steve Jobs and vice versa? Difficult questions.
 
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eawmp1 said:
De mortuis nihil nisi bonum

This guy is an extremist. The notion of free and open code is great until you realize 99.9% of the populace can't understand it. If he were to have his way, computers might still be hobbies in the garages of the geeks.
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People can still choose to follow true open source. Jobs never made them buy an Apple product.

Sour graps from a man who's crying to be be recognized, instead of doing something about it. He should take a cue from the master showman Jobs and get off his lazy ass. You know, I don't care what people look like, but it doesn't help he looks like those guys on the street holding up a 2012 doomsday sign.
 
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