Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone

[gpat]

No, not even close..but he made a lot of money getting tech to people

Did you expect him to do it for free? Jobs' wage was $1, and Apple stocks. If Apple would go bankrupt, so would he. He was rewarded for his choices, and could screw up everything at any time.

You do understand that Stallman was playing with computers while Woz and Jobs were in elementary school

and yet has done much less for technology to get in the hands of common people

Stallman was/is one of the most influential tech geniuses out there. You may not like him but he really doesn't give a ******. The tech world could use a few more like him it'll keep the industry honest

Neither does Jobs. I believe his fan club is much bigger.

Like Linus said "And the thing about an operating system is that you're never ever supposed to see it. Because nobody really uses an operating system; people use programs on their computer. And the only mission in life of an operating system is to help those programs run. So an operating system never does anything on its own; it's only waiting for the programs to ask for certain resources, or ask for a certain file on the disk, or ask to connect to the outside world. And then the operating system steps in and tries to make it easy for people to write programs."

That's some brilliant thinking. I think it resembles iOS from a close distance.

You understand nothing about the man, jealousy toward Jobs/Gates really would not be his reaction. Gate/Jobs cause anger not jealousy

And why would them? Without their work, he couldn't talk about software openness or closedness, but only how he was a genius at making his garage computer do things no one cared about.

 

[GermanyChris]

Did you expect him to do it for free? Jobs' wage was $1, and Apple stocks. If Apple would go bankrupt, so would he. He was rewarded for his choices, and could screw up everything at any time.



and yet has done much less for technology to get in the hands of common people



Neither does Jobs. I believe his fan club is much bigger.



That's some brilliant thinking. I think it resembles iOS from a close distance.



And why would them? Without their work, he couldn't talk about software openness or closedness, but only how he was a genius at making his garage computer do things no one cared about.

Except he was at MIT in '71 working in artificial Intelligence..not Woz and Jobs in '76 writing a check book program..but ya know close and all that.

and the rest really job's fan club??

 

[KingCrimson]

Except he was at MIT in '71 working in artificial Intelligence..not Woz and Jobs in '76 writing a check book program..but ya know close and all that.

and the rest really job's fan club??

You just made iTards very angry.

 

[GermanyChris]

You just made iTards very angry.

That's ok :0)

Life will go on, and maybe one of them will take an interest

 

[rdowns]

Disgusting.

 

[GermanyChris]

Disgusting.

YouTube: video

and this has to do with what?

from Wiki:

1986: Honorary lifetime membership of the Chalmers University of Technology Computer Society[citation needed]

1990: Exceptional merit award MacArthur Fellowship ("genius grant")[89]

1990: The Association for Computing Machinery's Grace Murray Hopper Award "For pioneering work in the development of the extensible editor EMACS (Editing Macros)."[90]

1996: Honorary doctorate from Sweden's Royal Institute of Technology[91]

1998: Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award[92]

1999: Yuri Rubinsky Memorial Award[93]

2001: The Takeda Techno-Entrepreneurship Award for Social/Economic Well-Being (武田研究奨励賞)[94]

2001: Honorary doctorate, from the University of Glasgow[95]

2002: United States National Academy of Engineering membership[96]

2003: Honorary doctorate, from the Vrije Universiteit Brussel[97]

2004: Honorary doctorate, from the Universidad Nacional de Salta.[98]

2004: Honorary professorship, from the Universidad Nacional de Ingeniería del Perú.[citation needed]

2007: Honorary professorship, from the Universidad Inca Garcilaso de la Vega.[citation needed]

2007: First Premio Iternacional Extremadura al Conocimiento Libre[citation needed]

2007: Honorary doctorate, from the Universidad de Los Angeles de Chimbote.[citation needed]

2007: Honorary doctorate, from the University of Pavia[99]

2008: Honorary doctorate from the Universidad Nacional de Trujillo, in Peru[citation needed]

2009: Honorary doctorate, from Lakehead University[100][101]

2011: Honorary doctorate, from National University of Córdoba

 

[flopticalcube]

Disgusting.

YouTube: video

Its where he keeps his stash, man...

 

[KnightWRX]

The days where people wanted to access the source code for a printer driver to make their printer work are over; if the printer driver doesn't work I return the printer driver for a refund.

Tell that to the people trying to run old hardware on Lion.

The philosophy of the FSF which is quite misunderstood is about freeing the user from corporate influence in their use of technology. That users don't know any better (so they buy this locked down stuff) does not mean we don't all wish our stuff was more open.

And the man could urgently do with a haircut.

A very crass comment after bashing the man's own comments. What does his hair have to do with anything ?

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And why would them? Without their work, he couldn't talk about software openness or closedness, but only how he was a genius at making his garage computer do things no one cared about.

Uh ? Without Gates or Jobs, Stallman would still be able to talk about software openness.

 

[GermanyChris]

Tell that to the people trying to run old hardware on Lion.

The philosophy of the FSF which is quite misunderstood is about freeing the user from corporate influence in their use of technology. That users don't know any better (so they buy this locked down stuff) does not mean we don't all wish our stuff was more open.



A very crass comment after bashing the man's own comments. What does his hair have to do with anything ?

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Uh ? Without Gates or Jobs, Stallman would still be able to talk about software openness.

Ya know I bought a Mac coming from Linux a couple years ago because I met some geeks that in essence said "please don't worry about the people this OS is Unix done right"

I believed them until this thread..are you folks really that vain? not to mention short sighted? while open source may not have the appeal to you that it does for others..please see things from his glasses.

I have the same feelings he does towards religious people, I feel that they are spreading poison to those most vunerable and influenceable.

My respect for the average Mac user just went down, you don't have to like the man just respect him and understand that he is one of the grandfathers of modern computing. Just like RMS didn't like Jobs but respected him

 

[MBP13]

I've never heard of Richard Stallman until now. I guess that means he's not important.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Despite what Stallman thinks, Jobs' very strong aesthetic design sense has created a very seamless experience if you're running all-Apple hardware.

Meanwhile, despite several attempts for a desktop version, Linux is still best-known as a server operating system--though an excellent one at that, since many of the world's large server farms run machines that use commercial Linux variants.

 

[GoKyu]

This attitude is the exact reason I can't stomach Linux and the religion of "free".

Linux is an awesome OS that happens to be free...

Stallman is OCD about things being "free". BIG difference between the two.

 

[flopticalcube]

I've never heard of Richard Stallman until now. I guess that means he's not important.

Brian Kernighan? Dennis Ritchie? Rob Pike? Ken Thompson? These, along with Stallman, are all stars in the Unix firmament.

One thing you can say about RMS, he is outspoken! He does tend to carry his point too far but in the 80's and early 90's he was basically a lone voice in the free software universe.

 

[GermanyChris]

Despite what Stallman thinks, Jobs' very strong aesthetic design sense has created a very seamless experience if you're running all-Apple hardware.

Meanwhile, despite several attempts for a desktop version, Linux is still best-known as a server operating system--though an excellent one at that, since many of the world's large server farms run machines that use commercial Linux variants.

Cripes what does Stallman have to do with Linux??

Linus Torvalds (Linux) doesn't particularly like Stallman

Do I need to spoon feed this to you folks?

"An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would never make a good program" Torvalds

If you still don't like it, that's OK: that's why I'm boss. I simply know better than you do. Torvalds.... could be Job's though..

I'm a bastard. I have absolutely no clue why people can ever think otherwise. Yet they do. People think I'm a nice guy, and the fact is that I'm a scheming, conniving bastard who doesn't care for any hurt feelings or lost hours of work, if it just results in what I consider to be a better system. And I'm not just saying that. I'm really not a very nice person. I can say "I don't care" with a straight face, and really mean it....Torvalds.... could be Job's though..

Personally, I'm not interested in making device drivers look like user-level. They aren't, they shouldn't be, and microkernels are just stupid....Compile any recently?

Linus and Richard didn't get along at all and this is a preview..

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Brian Kernighan? Dennis Ritchie? Rob Pike? Ken Thompson? These, along with Stallman, are all stars in the Unix firmament.

One thing you can say about RMS, he is outspoken! He does tend to carry his point too far but in the 80's and early 90's he was basically a lone voice in the free software universe.

I prefer unequivocal and honest...

 

[bizzle]

Regardless of what RMS says now, he has always been and will always be a lunatic and does nothing but discredit the entire OSS "community" with his antics.

 

[GermanyChris]

Regardless of what RMS says now, he has always been and will always be a lunatic and does nothing but discredit the entire OSS "community" with his antics.

except he created the OSS movement..that like saying Lincoln has always been and always will be a lunatic he does nothing but discredit the Whigs...or in modern times Reagan has always been and always will be a lunatic he does nothing but discredit the Republicans..this might be true but all three developed a fan base that is both smart and loyal..

 

[KnightWRX]

Linux is an awesome OS that happens to be free...

Stallman is OCD about things being "free". BIG difference between the two.

Actually, that's "Free", with a capital F. Stallman is about software Freedom, not software being gratis.

 

[flopticalcube]

I prefer unequivocal and honest...

Call it as you see it, no argument from me there.

 

[GermanyChris]

free does not mean kostenlos it means free to share and modify..

 

[McGiord]

I've never heard of Richard Stallman until now. I guess that means he's not important.

I also didn't know who he is, until yesterday, coincidentally I watched "Revolution OS".

This is supposed to be a free country, and everyone deserves the right to express its opinions.

It is of real bad taste to come up with this kind of comments.
I personally don't like his comments.

During the last days I have been more aware of how many things had been better in my life thanks to what Steve Jobs did.

Maybe there are some things that had been better also thanks to this guy, but it was until yesterday that I became aware of who he is.
Besides his curriculum and honors, what is a tangible outcome of his contribution to the world?

Thanks to the video above, we know that he is capable of snacking himself... And the link about his "quotes" is way too distant from what you can see in the Revolution OS picture.

I believe that his idea of free software is too vulnerable for hackers, lack of security, and spread of viruses, spyware and malware.

Like the hippies communities, love for everyone, with the bonus of several different issues. Too idealistic and very troublesome for my taste.

However, the open source software, it is very impressive, specially how over time it has been validated, transformed, improved by several serious businesses.

At the end, it is about who you trust?

Are you confident using Apple stuff, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, or what some random guy out there made?
Or are you capable of developing and supporting your own hardware and software?

The most beautiful piece of software will always need some hardware to run on.

I believe that there are some similarities between all of them, Steve, Linus and this guy, they seriously believe in their own ideas, and made them their way of life.
And it is difficult to say that they were able to do it alone, but building on what others created.

 

[flopticalcube]

Maybe there are some things that had been better also thanks to this guy, but it was until yesterday that I became aware of who he is.
Besides his curriculum and honors, what is a tangible outcome of his contribution to the world?

FSF.org and rms wrote most of the tools that Torvalds used to create Linux. Without Stallman's groundwork, most of what we call Open Source would not exist, at least not in the form that it does today. He was THE most outspoken advocate of copyright-free (that is free in the sense of restricted use and modification) at the very time it became crucial.

 

[Stella]

Stallman said that he's glad that SJ is gone - but that doesn't mean dead - that he's just no longer in the software game.

People see "glad SJ is gone" to equal "glad SJ is dead" ( which isn't the case ) and then get all excited ( drama queen style ) about it.

Stallman is quite entitled to his opinions, whether people like them or not.

People should get over the fact his opinion differs from others? So what, we are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[gpat]

Disgusting.

YouTube: video

That's almost as bad as Ballmer's speeches! DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

 

[GermanyChris]

I also didn't know who he is, until yesterday, coincidentally I watched "Revolution OS".

This is supposed to be a free country, and everyone deserves the right to express its opinions.

It is of real bad taste to come up with this kind of comments.
I personally don't like his comments.

During the last days I have been more aware of how many things had been better in my life thanks to what Steve Jobs did.

Maybe there are some things that had been better also thanks to this guy, but it was until yesterday that I became aware of who he is.
Besides his curriculum and honors, what is a tangible outcome of his contribution to the world?

Thanks to the video above, we know that he is capable of snacking himself... And the link about his "quotes" is way too distant from what you can see in the Revolution OS picture.

I believe that his idea of free software is too vulnerable for hackers, lack of security, and spread of viruses, spyware and malware.
Like the hippies communities, love for everyone, with the bonus of several different issues. Too idealistic and very troublesome for my taste.

However, the open source software, it is very impressive, specially how over time it has been validated, transformed, improved by several serious businesses.

At the end, it is about who you trust?

Are you confident using Apple stuff, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, or what some random guy out there made?
Or are you capable of developing and supporting your own hardware and software?

The most beautiful piece of software will always need some hardware to run on.

I believe that there are some similarities between all of them, Steve, Linus and this guy, they seriously believe in their own ideas, and made them their way of life.
And it is difficult to say that they were able to do it alone, but building on what others created.

Hundred of people look at the code and no one notices anything?

or a great conspiracy of all the developers to put malicious code into your computer.

Remember OSX is/was certified Unix.

Most open source is built from one of the derivatives of Unix.

To cut this short they are secure for the same reason OSX is secure; nothing can execute without the users knowlege.

P.S. I trust Google not one bit..

 

[rhett7660]

Stallman said that he's glad that SJ is gone - but that doesn't mean dead - that he's just no longer in the software game.

People see "glad SJ is gone" to equal "glad SJ is dead" ( which isn't the case ) and then get all excited ( drama queen style ) about it.

Stallman is quite entitled to his opinions, whether people like them or not.

People should get over the fact his opinion differs from others? So what, we are all entitled to our opinions.

Yup, he is free to say and do as he wishes (within reason of course) but yup. Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone has one!

I went to his website for the first time and man, some of the topics and wording are one of a delisional paranoid. Not saying he is, but he doesn't like, what seems like a lot of things on the internet. Kind of reminds me of Mel Gibson's character in "conspiracy theory".

But I do agree with some points and some not so much. Very interesting read. I have never heard of this guy until reading this thread. I have messed with Linux, nothing to serious. But I can see how a great many folks would look at him and say f-that, I am not hand coding crap, I just want to do xyz with the click of a button.