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Hey everyone!

It has been a good while since I last posted, but I have still been tinkering with old Macs in the background. Some things never change.

This post is really just a catch up on what I have been doing over the past month and, more importantly, my latest Mac purchase. I am still not entirely sure whether I have lost my marbles 😁

About two years ago, I replaced my Lenovo Miix 520 with a Lenovo V130. The Miix had terrible battery life, usually an hour and a half at best, and I kept drifting back to my 2012 MacBook Pro. It was slower, but it gave me around three hours on Linux Mint and felt far more dependable. So the V130 became my new laptop, except it did not.

Last week I was walking through the park with my rucksack and thought, this MBP is not exactly light. But whenever I head out to Costa to do some writing, it is always the MBP I grab. I know it will give me a solid three hours on a charge, so I am not constantly watching the battery percentage drop. The V130, even with better battery life than the Miix, still only gives me about an hour and a half these days. The battery is at roughly sixty seven percent health. After looking into replacements, even a brand new battery would only push it to around two and a half hours. The old MBP wins again.

A few of my friends have Intel MacBook Airs from various eras, and I think that nudged me toward considering one. As one of them said, and I have to agree, they make genuinely good Linux laptops, just like my MacBook Pro does. I apologise in advance to any macOS purists.

So I spent the past week watching videos. Most of them said do not buy one, get a newer laptop instead. I even watched a six year old LinusTechTips video where, to be fair, he said the 2017 Air was not a bad machine, but still recommended buying a modern budget laptop. The thing is, when I looked up his suggested alternative, the Dell Inspiron 7000, the battery life was nowhere near as good as the Air.

My needs are pretty simple. I want long battery life, light web browsing, OpenOffice, and maybe the ability to run RetroArch. My MBP can already do all of that, and the 2017 Air has a better CPU. So I am hoping I have not done anything too daft by finally biting the bullet and picking up a 2017 model.

Anyways, if you're using a MBA, let me know as it would be reassuring to know I'm not crackers, buying a nine year old laptop that was considered out of date at the time it was released. I'm not panicking honest 😄
 
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My MBP 2012 is pretty much a daily driver with Mint. I'm writing this on my Lenovo V130 and it's been chugging when I've been on Facebook. Yet the MBP doesn't break a sweat, so lord knows what Win11 is doing to this i5 to make it struggle so (What am i saying, it's WinBlows lol) If the Air arrives and the battery is at 40% health, i will have no problem paying for a replacement. £40-50 for a new battery? Thats still only £155 in totally for a lightweight writing laptop with great battery life. It's not like I intend to run Steam on it. Though I have with my MBP and was surprised by how many games run just fine.

If I were to replace the battery in this V130, it's still only going to be a 30,000 mWh, which is about 2/3hrs battery life. The Air thrashes it for what I need. I spent a long time weighing things up, as I didn't want to convince myself in to buying, just because it's a vintage Mac.
 
May i suggest trying Windows 10 iot ltsc on your v130 instead of windows 11. It is very lean, uses less ram and minimal telemetry, and gets security updates till 2032.
You can get the iso here:

Great call on getting the air at that price! Enjoy it.
 
May i suggest trying Windows 10 iot ltsc on your v130 instead of windows 11. It is very lean, uses less ram and minimal telemetry, and gets security updates till 2032.
You can get the iso here:

Great call on getting the air at that price! Enjoy it.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of the LTSC release. But thing is, when the Air arrives, I'm going to sell the V130.

The Lenovo was meant to be my feather weight, 14" writing in Costa machine. Took it out today with 85% charge and i got about 45 minutes before it briefly warned me before turning off. I have an MSI Apache gaming laptop, but thats only really used when i'm visiting the family and want to game while away. The MBP is kind of my daily driver, music, photo editing, writing, if I need more grunt, I just go boot up my desktop PC. But tbh, during the heatwave we've had here in the UK, my office upstairs has been a no go, not unless I wish to inflict heatstroke on myself. So I've been sitting downstairs where it's cooler using my MBP.

The Air is going to come it really handy as an electronic type writer, which can still get online when i need to look something up or run Grammarly etc. I am curious how the screen will compare to that of my MBP, but for writing it should be fine.
 
For whatever it's worth, I'm strongly considering buying a 2015 Air as a new daily, if not a 2017 (which is essentially the same model plus 200 MHz). In my opinion, what's daft is needlessly spending 6-10x the amount into a device that will not appreciably accomplish your given workloads any better than the baseline, especially if you're not committed to the latest version of macOS. Now that's crackers.

On another note, the 2015 / 2017 is also the last model (or Mac?) released with fully replaceable internal storage and an easily replaceable battery. If the flash chips in the MacBook Neo ever fail or become damaged and your data wasn't already backed up, not only is it unrecoverable, but the entire machine becomes a paper weight as well--unless you use an external drive.

Sent from a Core 2 Duo 2010 Air bought in 2024 currently running Mojave (with some modifications) still serving most of my requirements more or less smoothly. For now.

Different strokes for different folks. 🤷
 
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For whatever it's worth, I'm strongly considering buying a 2015 Air as a new daily, if not a 2017 (which is essentially the same model plus 200 MHz). In my opinion, what's daft is needlessly spending 6-10x the amount into a device that will not appreciably accomplish your given workloads any better than the baseline, especially if you're not committed to the latest version of macOS. Now that's crackers.

On another note, the 2015 / 2017 is also the last model (or Mac?) released with fully replaceable internal storage and an easily replaceable battery. If the flash chips in the MacBook Neo ever fail or become damaged and your data wasn't already backed up, not only is it unrecoverable, but the entire machine becomes a paper weight as well--unless you use an external drive.

Sent from a Core 2 Duo 2010 Air bought in 2024 currently running Mojave (with some modifications) still serving most of my requirements more or less smoothly. For now.

Different strokes for different folks. 🤷
I didn't know that about the Neo, to be honest only in my research on the Air have I learned of the Neo laptops. Aren't they based off Iphone hardware? The whole idea of having an unserviceable computer really bugs me. If your ram fails, that's it, whole device is bricked? That's really not good for the environment, let alone a step back in design. Gosh to think back to when Job's show cased the PowerMac G3 Blue&White, the selling point was it's expandability.

Today I've been slowly migrating data off the SSD to a flash drive in preparation for the move over to the Air. Like many, I use Windows mostly because game support is better, but if and when the gap between Linux and Windows narrows. I'm looking forward to showing it the door and going 100% Linux.
 
I didn't know that about the Neo, to be honest only in my research on the Air have I learned of the Neo laptops. Aren't they based off Iphone hardware? The whole idea of having an unserviceable computer really bugs me. If your ram fails, that's it, whole device is bricked? That's really not good for the environment, let alone a step back in design. Gosh to think back to when Job's show cased the PowerMac G3 Blue&White, the selling point was it's expandability.

Today I've been slowly migrating data off the SSD to a flash drive in preparation for the move over to the Air. Like many, I use Windows mostly because game support is better, but if and when the gap between Linux and Windows narrows. I'm looking forward to showing it the door and going 100% Linux.

Now to their credit, soldered RAM chips are usually extremely robust. The iBook G4s released almost 25 years ago used partially soldered RAM and to my knowledge don't generally fail, whereas failing RAM slots are an increasingly common occurrence on the contemporary PowerBook G4s from years of friction and thermal cycling, and discarded 512 MB, 1 GB, and 2 GB sticks from the stock configuration that no one wants aren't great for the environment either. And once you upgrade RAM to the maximum supported, you generally don't touch it henceforth anyway. And I've also never heard of the earlier iPhones / iPads experiencing RAM failures yet.

Personally, where I draw the line is when the non-volatile storage is lumped in with the manufacturing processes of volatile storage. Even if it also doesn't fail and otherwise lasts for 25 years, RAM can run out and the system might spend a lot of time swapping to disk, which will wear heavily on the flash chips and absolutely reduce their lifespan. Or maybe the machine was shipped with the base configuration of storage and 10 years later that amount is no longer enough for typical use. In general, it just makes a lot more sense to retain modularity for at least the place where user data is kept.

Mac os 12 is gonna get you any modern browser support, but even Mac OS 10.13 has legacy chromium and other browsers.

Wasn't Chromium Legacy abandoned 2 years ago? And are there any other current browsers for 10.13 besides Pale Moon and Basilisk?
 
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I have a 2015 Air that sits downstairs and runs photo video slideshows I created as a digital picture frame. It doesn't take a lot of energy to run IINA on Monterey. Works perfectly fine for my use case. I don't need that one to do anything else, but I could have it run LibreOffice if I needed it to.
 
Now to their credit, soldered RAM chips are usually extremely robust. The iBook G4s released almost 25 years ago used partially soldered RAM and to my knowledge don't generally fail, whereas failing RAM slots are an increasingly common occurrence on the contemporary PowerBook G4s from years of friction and thermal cycling, and discarded 512 MB, 1 GB, and 2 GB sticks from the stock configuration that no one wants aren't great for the environment either. And once you upgrade RAM to the maximum supported, you generally don't touch it henceforth anyway. And I've also never heard of the earlier iPhones / iPads experiencing RAM failures yet.

Personally, where I draw the line is when the non-volatile storage is lumped in with the manufacturing processes of volatile storage. Even if it also doesn't fail and otherwise lasts for 25 years, RAM can run out and the system might spend a lot of time swapping to disk, which will wear heavily on the flash chips and absolutely reduce their lifespan. Or maybe the machine was shipped with the base configuration of storage and 10 years later that amount is no longer enough for typical use. In general, it just makes a lot more sense to retain modularity for at least the place where user data is kept.



Wasn't Chromium Legacy abandoned 2 years ago? And are there any other current browsers for 10.13 besides Pale Moon and Basilisk?
Funny thing is, the neo is 'the most fixable macbook in 14 years' https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-macbook-in-14-years . With its price hike to $699 US tho, compared to a sub $100 2015 air its not for the same people.

The soldered components argument will always be valid, but across the entire Mac line its been that way for a while. **Technically** you can replace soldered components like that, but an average person isn't really going to be capable of it. You could send it somewhere maybe, especially as these get older which is when you would worry about it anyways.

You can also always use external boot drives in an apocalyptic scenario. USB3 is plenty fast for that. Again, totally not arguing for it but it's not the end of the world for newer hardware. The amount of ancient iPhones that still work also kinda shows how resilient the storage can be.

Chromium legacy hasn't been updated in 2 years yes, but I'm watching youtube with ublock origin and writing this post. I can use github, honestly a 2024 chromium browser engine in 2026 is fine. Theres other things for even older Mac OS out that might be more up to date based on Firefox but I just have no need currently.
 
So I am hoping I have not done anything too daft by finally biting the bullet and picking up a 2017 model.

Anyways, if you're using a MBA, let me know as it would be reassuring to know I'm not crackers, buying a nine year old laptop that was considered out of date at the time it was released. I'm not panicking honest 😄
You are not nuts. For your needs, since you like & use Mint, addressing your light weight portable needs on affordable Macintosh hardware with the Mint ecosystem on the 2017 mba - THAT makes complete sense to me. You get great Apple hardware & design that we all appreciate + a 3hr battery in a relatively light portable with the same comfy actively supported linux environment that you know & already enjoy ... all with the added bonus of 500 smackers that never left your bank account lol. I use MX Linux this way across most all of my old Intel Macs and winboxes. Really the only downside I can potentially think of is synching with an iPhone. That can get tough but that downside was not enough to stop me. I think all in, for those common DD tasks, you really can't beat that cost effective intersect between Intel Mac + light Linux distro. It's gotten really good IMO. There are so many talented folks making that happen for us and it's wonderful 🙂

Typing this on a 09 mbp running Linux MX25 btw.
 
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I’ve heard of MX Linux, one of the YouTubers I follow who does a lot of Mac content actually featured it. He actually did a MacBook Air video and had a Minecraft running. It ran better on Linux than on the install of OSx. Mint is my personal go to, it’s nice, feature rich and runs really well on modest hardware. The 2017 Air is meant to have a better CPU than my MBP. So if I’m getting on with that pretty good already, then I shouldn’t find any problem with the Air.

You mentioned 3hrs, everything I’ve read indicates I should expect 5hr on the MBA.
 
I have a 2015 11 inch and made a custom fedora boot image for it. It runs amazingly. With a few tweaks and disabling thunderbolt (which uses lots of power even when not in use) I get around 8hrs battery out of it
 
I have a 2015 11 inch and made a custom fedora boot image for it. It runs amazingly. With a few tweaks and disabling thunderbolt (which uses lots of power even when not in use) I get around 8hrs battery out of it
In case you’re interested.. at least for the power saving scripts..

 
You mentioned 3hrs, everything I’ve read indicates I should expect 5hr on the MBA.

Just being conservative lol with what I assume is an older battery. I know new batteries can provide in excess of 9hrs (max theoretical runtime I believe is 12hrs! 😱 ) and batteries on ebay are as low as $25 usd so even with a future battery swap the money math still makes total sense countless times over. I wouldn't mind picking one up myself for my messenger bag. Id be shedding 2.5 pounds on my back while adding 5+ hrs runtime between charges.

Not terribly enthused about losing some screen relestate (15 to 13.3) but I think it is a fair trade off for portability and definitely that battery lol. I'm going to a retro computer swap in my town this August so will keep my eyes out for one while there.
 
I know Intel MacBooks are far more cost effective due to Apple Silicon's release, but has anyone tried Asahi Linux on an M-series Mac? I hear it's pretty decent, but I don't have a spare M1 to try it on.
I figure by the time my M2 16mbp is considered obsolete lol 🙄and macos+security support stops for it, I will definitely migrate to linux on Apple silicon. Hopefully by then (Im guessing this will occur around 2030-32), MX has a solid AS offering.
 
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I know Intel MacBooks are far more cost effective due to Apple Silicon's release, but has anyone tried Asahi Linux on an M-series Mac? I hear it's pretty decent, but I don't have a spare M1 to try it on.
Yeh I have it on an m2.. works great but for me at least, since the machine flies on macOS and it’s still supported it’s not my daily driver
 
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