What a shame you can't text and drive any longer.
My thoughts exactly. How is this a bad thing?
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RIM implodes: announces layoffs, 500,000 PlayBooks shipped
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My thoughts exactly. How is this a bad thing?
I will say I am with you that is something I really miss about my blackberry when I went to my Atrix. The lost of the physical keys just makes typing out longer message,
I use the Swiftkey X keyboard for my Atrix and that really makes and it is fairly good at predicting the words that come next or on what I have entered so far.
I understand you worship at Apple and really in this matter do not understand anything that does not have an Apple label on it.
I also know you do not understand RIM pipeline or what people in them.
You also clearly do not see the direction RIM is heading with QNX. QNX is going to make some great stuff they just have to make it threw the pipeline and have the carriers happy with the first few then they will be able to do some more stuff with it.
What a shame you can't text and drive any longer.
I miss my physical keyboard and I would not text and drive. It just nicer to type on.
I have no problem with people preferring a physical keyboard. What I have a problem with is lamenting that it is no longer there and they can no longer text and drive.
I do not think a physical or lack of physical keyboard has any effect on people who choose to text and drive.
I do wish more phones would be made with a slider like keyboard for those times it would be nice to use them. Just make them blackberry like in how good they are.
More on blackberry - Blackberry are more of a communication device and I find they are still the best at that. Just they suck at multimedia and web surfing but for email and communication I find they are great.
Things I miss about my blackberry is the keyboard and it was by far a better device for email than Android.
iOS I have found is the worse when it comes to email.
Seriously. Some of you may flippantly write off the whole thing ("Serves them right! Apple wins again!") but I live in a city with a big RIM employee base and I know people who work there. It's a very different thing to talk about layoffs at a company when you know the people who might be getting laid off.
It even affects me. I work for a company who recently went through some pretty severe layoffs. We're not out of the woods yet. However, I've kept my chin up, knowing that most of my coworkers who have been laid off, were able to pretty quickly pick up employment at companies like RIM and QNX. I've been going to work every day thinking "Today might be the day I get let go here. But that's OK, if they do, I'm going to see my friends at RIM."
To hear that RIM is laying off, means that MY employment strategy suddenly isn't so sound either. Which makes me want to clutch my wallet a little bit tighter, "just in case". Maybe a shiny new MacBook Air isn't such a good idea after all.
Still feeling so smug about the news? Does it feel any different knowing that it affects people right here in our forums?
No, I just understand the reality of the market and Apple's place in it. And now, Google + Apple in the market. The longer any prospective competitor waits, the more difficult it'll be for them to gain traction; and the longer they wait, the more jaw-dropping revolutionary the product has to be. For the very simple reason that the consumer will ask: "why should I get (insert product name) instead of (insert Apple product name and Google product name.)
It isn't difficult to understand the RIM pipeline: by the time they release whatever they're promising and planning (always promising and planning, right?) it'll no longer be relevant.
At this point, "QNX" doesn't mean anything to anyone. It is a non-entity. It does not exist in a market where entrenchment is already happening. It's just another project that may or may not see the light of day, i.e., Meego. Another "just wait and see, we promise!" excuse.
In other words, RIM is zuning it. Because for about four years now they've been ****ing the dog - as in, killing time with Blackberry-induced delusion. They don't even have a coherent app ecosystem after all this time. Is that in their pipeline too? Because that's a requirement. A vibrant consumer-oriented ecosystem - lots of high-quality apps, a well-implemented online store where they can be bought, cloud services, the works. And everything has to work seamlessly. Those things don't just create themselves overnight. Look at Apple. That's what it takes to succeed. How close is RIM to that? Like Bombay to Boston. That's how.
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Yeah and the keyword there is shipped, there's no idea how many of those puppies are in customer's hands. Correct me if I'm wrong but the playbook did not ship with a native email app - if I remember correctly that's just crazy to release a product that one of its strengths should be email, especially given RIM which is known for email
Sad to see how a company who's always bet strong on their ideas is losing share so rapidly. You know a BB when you see it, they have never changed their models... unfortunately as of these last years people are just looking to get the most flashy phone and RIM is not included in this category. Even some people brand RIM now as a 'corporate company's phone brand'. How is it corporate? I used a BB for years and loved to BBM with friends on other countries.
Even as IT groups add iOS and Android support, RIM continues to be firmly entrenched at most major enterprises.
RIM devices have some unique characteristics, including the only true push system, which is why their batteries last so long. Their email system is second to none for business users, with features such as being able to forward huge attachments without having to actually download and send them via the device itself. Their keyboards are also the best.
The merging of QNX and TAT was a bold and innovative step, with a resulting OS that's fluid, powerful and fun to use. (QNX has been one of the top solid embedded multitasking OSes for years. It's probably even in your car, as the MyGig and OnStar systems use it.) TAT is probably the most innovative UI group around. A match made in heaven.
Playbook sales started as a tethered BB device. RIM does need to add total standalone capability (beyond just using web-based email as you can do right now) to make it more attractive to the general public. RIM has a winner if they can get more apps.
Upshot: marketing and apps are key. RIM can never beat Apple at that, but they can do alright.
RIM devices have some unique characteristics, including the only true push system, which is why their batteries last so long. Their email system is second to none for business users, with features such as being able to forward huge attachments without having to actually download and send them via the device itself. Their keyboards are also the best.
The merging of QNX and TAT was a bold and innovative step, with a resulting OS that's fluid, powerful and fun to use. (QNX has been one of the top solid embedded multitasking OSes for years. It's probably even in your car, as the MyGig and OnStar systems use it.) TAT is probably the most innovative UI group around. A match made in heaven.
Playbook sales started as a tethered BB device. RIM does need to add total standalone capability (beyond just using web-based email as you can do right now) to make it more attractive to the general public. RIM has a winner if they can get more apps.
Upshot: marketing and apps are key. RIM can never beat Apple at that, but they can do alright.
Yes, they suck at all the things they can't afford to suck at. Like web, multimedia, apps - all the things that are prerequisites for a complete product in this market.
My iPhone can "communicate" too. It has e-mail, SMS, and soon iMessage.
We are way, way beyond mere basic "communication" at this point. A "communication device" is no longer sufficient.
Look at what Google and Apple have. RIM *needs* that, and they needed it two years ago. Unless Ballsilie and Laziridis can turn water into wine, there's no coming back. The new prerequisite for these late-comers is to revolutionize the current concepts of "phone" and "tablet." Being just "good enough" is no longer a tenable position.
RIM is fast turning into buyout bait. Any takers?
Agreed and that's what makes the playbook even more baffling with the lack of a native email app. The problem seems to be is that RIM doesn't know what it wants. It kind of focuses on consumer stuff but its hesitant to go all in and imperil its enterprise business.
I think that's way too premature. Just look at how much cash they have on hand (billions) and the very fact they're still turning profits. There net income was 695 million dollars, that's a lot of money. So while RIM does have issues, they're no where near the panic stage or the point where someone can swoop in and buy them.
They have talent, no question. They have the people. Just not the leaders.
Lions led by donkeys.
It's rarely the engineers and designers that are the problem. It's the people they answer to.
iMessage seems primitive and frankly, useless. It's limited to just one type of handset and there is no online or computer based element. Why would I use it when I can just send one of the 1000+ free SMS messages I get per month to someone?
RIM has been bleeding bad since 2009 +/- for many reasons. They are having a hard time giving their devices away or for the penny. Anyway when a person is given a choice between a Blackberry, iPhone or Andriod phone the Blackberry simply does not get selected. Menu driven phones are dead and Blackberry phones are clunky so it's only natural for the average non-tech person to choose a touch screen that's easy for an 8 year old or 88 year old to use with equal enjoyment or success. BlackBerry's are from an era gone bye.
I'm not disputing physical keyboards, efficient email or BBM I'm saying they have not evolved and no one or very few like being stuck in the past.
I'm not disputing physical keyboards, efficient email or BBM I'm saying they have not evolved and no one or very few like being stuck in the past.
There's also WhatsApp Messenger, Live Profile, etc. BBM-like apps that render Blackberry+BBM useless for the average consumer.
BBM is no longer an advantage. There is simply no longer any reason to own a Blackberry for home/personal use. It's a limited (and often ugly) one-trick pony. And it shows.
LTD you still do not understand blackberry other than it is not Apple so in your mind it automaticlly sucks.
In terms of comparing iOS, Blackberry, Android and WP7.
In terms of communication (Email SMS ect)
Blackberry is the best. Followed by WP7 then Android and then dead last by a good margin in iOS. iOS just sucks for that stuff compared to the others.
Email same exact order.
SMS again same order.
iOS 5 decrease the gap some but iOS is still in dead last by a good margen before you get to 3rd place of Android which is a little ways behind WP7 which is way behind BB.
Now in terms of web surfing. iOS, Android, WP7 I would say is tied and BB is last.
Apps. iOS has a slight lead in first, Android, WP7 close behind then way back of the pack is BB. Lets face it most of the major Apps Android, WP7 and iOS all have them. Most people will list off the apps they use every day on iOS and you will find they are on the Android and WP7.
The only area iOS is clean first place is will being an iPod. Otherwise meh.
Oh and Apple is great at marketing and spreading FUD about others. To many people I see buy a smart phone and do not break down what on their list is important and what is fluff. They go after the fluff and find that it took communication as secondary and as such complain. iOS is fluff first and looks pretty but in terms of being a phone it well sucks.
(WebOS is not in that list because I have never used it at all with the OS. But that is a lot more than what you can say LTD as you have never really used anything but iOS or even tried to really use one of the others other than if you are lucky 30 sec at a store to say oh it sucks.)
Compared to the others it is dead last. It is well behind what is offered from the others. Email is by far crap and still lags way WAY behind what is offered from the others.
So? All the must have apps are on all the WP, Android and iOS. After a certain point all you do is increase noise and lets face it there is a huge amount of noise in all the App stores.
Apple is by far the best at Marketing. There is not denying that.
Please go back and fix you post. it is beyond messed up and impossible to tell what you are quoting and not quoting. I see a good part of stuff I wrote not in text.
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When your tablet strategy consists of;
- Completely ripping off the UI of another competitor,
- Failing to release a native email client even though your ENTIRE BRAND is synonymous with mobile email
- Planning to leech of the app catalogue of another competitor's platform because you have zero dev support
You don't have a strategy.
With the Playbook, RIM is basically saying;
Give us the same money you would Apple for an iPad, and we'll give you an alpha coaster that will be largely unusable for anything remotely serious. But don't worry, we'll keep patching it up until you get a workable product...or we release a new product altogether.
- Completely ripping off the UI of another competitor,
- Failing to release a native email client even though your ENTIRE BRAND is synonymous with mobile email
- Planning to leech of the app catalogue of another competitor's platform because you have zero dev support
You don't have a strategy.
With the Playbook, RIM is basically saying;
Give us the same money you would Apple for an iPad, and we'll give you an alpha coaster that will be largely unusable for anything remotely serious. But don't worry, we'll keep patching it up until you get a workable product...or we release a new product altogether.
Yeah, I understand it's pretty much done and RIM needs something entirely new moving forward. That I understand perfectly.
It no longer matters. That's the point.
RIM bread and butter is fine.
It enterprise market is not losing ground and enterprise RIM is better than everyone else.
You do not get RIM or blackberry for that matter.
All you say is that it sucks and is dead last, but provide no reasons.
Could you be so kind to provide actual reasoning?
Much appreciated.
No doubt Ballsillie and Laziridis are saying the same thing as we speak.
As in, the same thing that got them here: Denial.
Their Enterprise biz is being threatened as well.
I don't need to "get" RIM. Failure is pretty easy to spot.
Nothing at all. They look fantastic and work fine. Throw in a little WhatsApp Messenger and you're laughing.
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