Rise to wake - Does it work for anyone? (iPhone 6)

[smorrissey]

It was "well thought out" and made a lot of "sense"

If it made sense to you its ok.

For me this makes sense:

Raise to Wake is Apple’s new feature that brings the iPhone display to life when it detects that it has been moved from a stationary flat position to one where it could potentially be used. Toggling this feature off could give you that few additional percentage points. Head to Settings > Display & Brightness and then toggle Raise to Wake off.

http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-fix-bad-ios-10-battery-life-guide/

Take it or leave it each one of use is free to choose though...

 

[alleggerita]

If it made sense to you its ok.

For me this makes sense:

Raise to Wake is Apple’s new feature that brings the iPhone display to life when it detects that it has been moved from a stationary flat position to one where it could potentially be used. Toggling this feature off could give you that few additional percentage points. Head to Settings > Display & Brightness and then toggle Raise to Wake off.

http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-fix-bad-ios-10-battery-life-guide/

Take it or leave it each one of use is free to choose though...

If you bothered to read my post I already said, it can be turned on or off. If you think it affects your battery life by all means turn it off. But for me and most people, I'm sure the impact on battery life with this feature is near negligible.

 

[prvt.donut]

What have I done? I have created a monster of a thread! Jeez, get over it people.

iOS 10 seems like a generally nice update, snappy UX, bubbly design. Flows really nice. The rise to wake would have been nice, so what if it hurt battery life, we could have disabled it if we wanted. That is the sort of thing I meant when I said Apple are evil with their planned obsolescence blocking certain features from older hardware for no reason. (I still remember the power Mac G5 having the iMovie update blocked, when Apple had put a text file check of "supported models". Add the G5 to it and iMovie runs perfectly).

If you are justifying these business decisions of Apple as "forced by the limited hardware" then you really need to learn about business and IT more.

 

[alleggerita]

What have I done? I have created a monster of a thread! Jeez, get over it people.

iOS 10 seems like a generally nice update, snappy UX, bubbly design. Flows really nice. The rise to wake would have been nice, so what if it hurt battery life, we could have disabled it if we wanted. That is the sort of thing I meant when I said Apple are evil with their planned obsolescence blocking certain features from older hardware for no reason. (I still remember the power Mac G5 having the iMovie update blocked, when Apple had put a text file check of "supported models". Add the G5 to it and iMovie runs perfectly).

If you are justifying these business decisions of Apple as "forced by the limited hardware" then you really need to learn about business and IT more.

You have to understand not all iPhone users are as tech savvy as you. Not everybody will know they can turn off this feature even. And if they do not know how to turn it off and affects their battery life drastically, they will look for none other than Apple.

Yes it may be planned obsolescence, but it's also down to saving themselves trouble from having to deal with these less well-informed users.

 

[prvt.donut]

You have to understand not all iPhone users are as tech savvy as you. Not everybody will know they can turn off this feature even. And if they do not know how to turn it off and affects their battery life drastically, they will look for none other than Apple.

Yes it may be planned obsolescence, but it's also down to saving themselves trouble from having to deal with these less well-informed users.

Yeah yeah, apolgize all you want for them!

 

[stooovie]

I actually turned this feature off only 6s+. I'd prefer if they had the Knock-on feature that my LG G2 had. I think that's a better feature than raise to wake.

I don't think so, it requires two-handed operation. Raise to wake makes more sense.

 

[perfect_]

I can understand clearly now. Why Apple refused to bring this feature? Because Apple know they can't make a profit from this. Its all about the money.

Even iPhone 6 and 6 Plus is not an iPhone anymore for Apple's perspective. Look at the Apple's iOS 10 webpage.

Lie is
" Raise to wake.
Simply pick up your ((iPhone)) to wake it up. Your notifications will be there waiting for you. "

Real is
Raise to not wake.
Simply pick up your iPhone to not wake it up. Your notifications will not be there. Black screen is waiting for you.

It doesnt work on iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus has a instruments for this feature. But Apple does not play with these.

These devices are simply unnecessary burden.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus was just a tool to sell the new iPhone 7 and 7 Plus models. Soon or later iPhone 7 and 7 Plus will drop in this position.

Apple trying to sell new iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

From Apple's iPhone 7 website
" 2x faster than iPhone 6 "

Thats right Apple! iPhone 7 twice faster than iPhone 6 with iOS 10. But not with iOS 9.3.5 iPhone 6 slowed down with iOS 10.0.1 I lived this situation. Maybe newer iOS versions will change this. But i dont have a hope for that.

I liked this Raise to wake feature but it doesnt work on my device. Because Apple wants my money for it. Maybe this feature is my only reason to update iOS 10. If its out im out.

Apple you cant catch iOS 9's adoptation rate with iOS 10. Dont know other models but im talking about iPhone 6 and 6 Plus users. Planned obsolence is most likely real! Just watch some speed test videos. iOS 10.0.1 definitely slow than iOS 9.3.5 There are thousands of people that are interested with these videos.

People liked this feature too. Just write this words to Google search bar: 'Raise to wake' and Google suggesting this in first row: 'Raise to wake iPhone 6'
What is that mean? That means Apple, too many iPhone 6 user hates you. More than Apple's think. Apple's secret mission backfired.

 

[simon lefisch]

I don't think so, it requires two-handed operation. Raise to wake makes more sense.

How would the Knock-on feature require 2 hands? You just tap the screen with 1 finger to wake the screen, regardless of if the phone is in your hands or laying on a surface like a table. Double-tap to wake.

 

[white4s]

is there like a special angle or something required because it doesn't always work on my se

 

[stooovie]

How would the Knock-on feature require 2 hands? You just tap the screen with 1 finger to wake the screen, regardless of if the phone is in your hands or laying on a surface like a table. Double-tap to wake.

You're right, for whatever reason I imagined knocking with my finger knuckle, like knocking on door this particular solution may be patented though, and that's why Apple doesn't use it. Also, just raising is much more discoverable and intuitive, even if there are some false positives.

 

[Feenician]

is there like a special angle or something required because it doesn't always work on my se

It has to be raised face up, home button down from a resting angle of no more than 25-30 degrees or so from horizontal. Lifting it "upside down" or in landscape orientation won't work. I guess this may be different in 6s+ or 7+ where landscape home is a thing but for an SE the above is true.

 

[GalFieri]

It has to be raised face up, home button down from a resting angle of no more than 25-30 degrees or so from horizontal. Lifting it "upside down" or in landscape orientation won't work. I guess this may be different in 6s+ or 7+ where landscape home is a thing but for an SE the above is true.

Confirming that it doesn't work in landscape on Plus models.

 

[Feenician]

Confirming that it doesn't work in landscape on Plus models.

Thanks. Thinking about it do they even have landscape lock screen orientations? If not, then I guess it wouldn't make sense there either anyway.

 

[white4s]

It has to be raised face up, home button down from a resting angle of no more than 25-30 degrees or so from horizontal. Lifting it "upside down" or in landscape orientation won't work. I guess this may be different in 6s+ or 7+ where landscape home is a thing but for an SE the above is true.

Knew it, doesn't always work when it comes off the cradle I have it on. Probably rests at 45 degree angle or so

 

[simon lefisch]

You're right, for whatever reason I imagined knocking with my finger knuckle, like knocking on door this particular solution may be patented though, and that's why Apple doesn't use it. Also, just raising is much more discoverable and intuitive, even if there are some false positives.

Yea you just double tap with your finger. I do know that it was proprietary to the LG phone I had, however if Apple was able to figure something out that was similar it would be awesome.

 

[Feenician]

Knew it, doesn't always work when it comes off the cradle I have it on. Probably rests at 45 degree angle or so

Yeah, that will stop it from working. Mixed feelings about that one. It's a valid use case but on the other hand if it did just light up any time it went a bit more vertical it'd be doing so in pockets and in your hand when carrying it.

 

[GalFieri]

Thanks. Thinking about it do they even have landscape lock screen orientations? If not, then I guess it wouldn't make sense there either anyway.

Nope. Just the homescreens.

 

[white4s]

Yeah, that will stop it from working. Mixed feelings about that one. It's a valid use case but on the other hand if it did just light up any time it went a bit more vertical it'd be doing so in pockets and in your hand when carrying it.

should work at any sudden movement, why else have the motion sensor lol no point if you're going to limit it.

 

[Feenician]

should work at any sudden movement, why else have the motion sensor lol no point if you're going to limit it.

It could be smarter for sure but I think it'd be quite a complicated heuristic to determine intentional vs non-intentional (walking with phone in hand. walking with phone in loose pocket) triggering and ultimately it'd end up wasting a lot of battery because the screen is one of the biggest consumers of energy (if not the biggest)

 

[smorrissey]

If you bothered to read my post I already said, it can be turned on or off. If you think it affects your battery life by all means turn it off. But for me and most people, I'm sure the impact on battery life with this feature is near negligible.

Stop the bickering now!

 

[mi7chy]

It would work with A8 as well but Tim wants you to buy a new phone.

Like artificially restricting ad block on older devices there's no real technical reason raise to wake can't work on older devices since it just uses the gyroscope and proximity sensor that are standard on virtually all mobile devices within the past half decade. Battery hit is minimal but the benefits are convenience and saving wear and tear on the power and home buttons that are more difficult for DIY repair. Decision should be up to the owner if he wants to enable like any other feature that has a battery hit such as background app refresh, etc.

This is an app that I use on one of my four year old device that shows the convenience and customizations.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.plexnor.gravityscreenofffree

 

[C DM]

Like artificially restricting ad block on older devices there's no real technical reason raise to wake can't work on older devices since it just uses the gyroscope and proximity sensor that are standard on virtually all mobile devices within the past half decade. Battery hit is minimal but the benefits are convenience and saving wear and tear on the power and home buttons that are more difficult for DIY repair. Decision should be up to the owner if he wants to enable like any other feature that has a battery hit like background app refresh, etc.

This is an app that I use on one of my four year old device that shows the convenience and customizations.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.plexnor.gravityscreenofffree

Ad block is not artificially restricted since the framework and libraries used for that functionality are 64-bit only, meaning they simply don't exist for 32-bit devices.

As for doing it all on older devices, what is the actual "minimal" battery hit that we are talking about here on iPhones that don't have M9? What other actual hits on performance or anything else might be involved?

 

[Rok73]

No. but because only from the A9 onwards the motion co-processor is embedded within the SoC and therefore it's more energy efficient. That's why 6s and 7 are the only ones with always on Hey Siri.

If Apple allowed raise to wake on the 6/6+, people are gonna think it's Apple's fault that the battery drains like mad. So get your facts right before posting and spreading false info.
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Read this Rok73, this guy and I basically said the same thing. Stop spreading false info. Thanks.

While I can see where you are coming from I find it slightly over the top to accuse me of "spreading false info", especially when my introduction was "I might be wrong...".

A little less arrogance would be appropriate young fella.

Just out of interest, do you have any precise figures to substantiate what would be the difference in power usage? Just so my petty-minded brain can process it.

 

[perfect_]

Ad block is not artificially restricted since the framework and libraries used for that functionality are 64-bit only, meaning they simply don't exist for 32-bit devices.

As for doing it all on older devices, what is the actual "minimal" battery hit that we are talking about here on iPhones that don't have M9? What other actual hits on performance or anything else might be involved?

Well! Lets do the math!

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

iPhone 6S and 6S Plus has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

iPad Pro 12.9 has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

Same sensor, Same battery consumption. Its not about the battery consumption. Nobody cares battery consumption ofcourse except Apple defenders. Even Apple doesnt care battery consumption. Is that clear?

If anyone still worrying about that. Im telling again. M8 motion co-processor already always works. Except battery save feature.

MP67B specially designed for Apple. It almost same with MPU-6500. This product's Accelerometer has wake-on-motion feature. Accelerometer doesnt work fully everytime.

Accelerometer normal operating current: 450μA = 0,45 mA
Low power accelerometer mode current: 6,37μA - 17,75μA (Let's take the average) = 0,01206 mA (this one not important)

Average person checks their device 85 times a day (Lets take it 100)

Lets give a lot of time for this checks. 10 seconds.

Accelerometer normal operating time;
100*10=1000 second = 0,277777778 hours

Accelerometer operate consumption for Raise to Wake
0,45*0,277777778= 0,125 mAh

That means Accelerometer effects only;

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,006906077348066 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,0042881646655232 per day

Gyroscope operate consumption is 3,2 mAh

Gyroscope operate consumption for Raise to Wake
3,2*0,277777778= 0,8888888896 mA

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,049109883403315 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,030493615423671 per day

Total Raise to wake battery consumption;
0,8888888896 + 0,125 = 1,0138888896 mAh per day

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,056015960751381 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,034781780089194 per day

Who cares %0,056015960751381 or %0,034781780089194 battery consumption per day? Nobody cares. Apple doesnt care too.

People, now Stop complaining about the battery!

 

[alleggerita]

While I can see where you are coming from I find it slightly over the top to accuse me of "spreading false info", especially when my introduction was "I might be wrong...".

A little less arrogance would be appropriate young fella.

Just out of interest, do you have any precise figures to substantiate what would be the difference in power usage? Just so my petty-minded brain can process it.

Well! Lets do the math!

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

iPhone 6S and 6S Plus has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

iPad Pro 12.9 has;
InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo

Same sensor, Same battery consumption. Its not about the battery consumption. Nobody cares battery consumption ofcourse except Apple defenders. Even Apple doesnt care battery consumption. Is that clear?

If anyone still worrying about that. Im telling again. M8 motion co-processor already always works. Except battery save feature.

MP67B specially designed for Apple. It almost same with MPU-6500. This product's Accelerometer has wake-on-motion feature. Accelerometer doesnt work fully everytime.

Accelerometer normal operating current: 450μA = 0,45 mA
Low power accelerometer mode current: 6,37μA - 17,75μA (Let's take the average) = 0,01206 mA (this one not important)

Average person checks their device 85 times a day (Lets take it 100)

Lets give a lot of time for this checks. 10 seconds.

Accelerometer normal operating time;
100*10=1000 second = 0,277777778 hours

Accelerometer operate consumption for Raise to Wake
0,45*0,277777778= 0,125 mAh

That means Accelerometer effects only;

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,006906077348066 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,0042881646655232 per day

Gyroscope operate consumption is 3,2 mAh

Gyroscope operate consumption for Raise to Wake
3,2*0,277777778= 0,8888888896 mA

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,049109883403315 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,030493615423671 per day

Total Raise to wake battery consumption;
0,8888888896 + 0,125 = 1,0138888896 mAh per day

iPhone 6's battery capacity 1810 mAh
%0,056015960751381 per day

iPhone 6 Plus's battery capacity 2915 mAh
%0,034781780089194 per day

Who cares %0,056015960751381 or %0,034781780089194 battery consumption per day? Nobody cares. Apple doesnt care too.

People, now Stop complaining about the battery!

After all these calculations. I see where all these is going. I am sincerely sorry, it was my bad. Thanks for your in depth calculations, was truly enlightening.