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aver1one

macrumors newbie
Jan 9, 2014
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Considering it's a device from 2010, should you really expect the damn thing to be running the latest version of the OS in 2014?

To give some scale, here's a number of devices that came out the same time as the iPhone 4 (give or take a few months):
- Samsung Galaxy S (the original that looked just like an iPhone 3GS)
- HTC Desire (the original, not the dozen follow up with extra letters added after "Desire")
- Nokia N8 (yes, that Symbian phone that was supposed to beat the iPhone)
- Motorola Droid 2 (remember those Motorola Android phones with the sliding keyboard?)

Mind you, I don't even own an iPhone, but I still understand that the OS would go nowhere if they limited themselves to what hardware from 4 years ago could comfortably run. In laptop and desktop computers it might "fly" considering how far those devices have gone, but not in mobile devices as those are developing a mile a minute.

Do you think any of those other phones I mentioned are running the latest version the the OS the manufacturer is currently shipping?
Nope, but they still have custom ROMs, I still have Original S as my third phone, and with few click 's have ROOTed it and put latest Android. Simpke as that, yeah it has some limitations, but after all I have it. Can you do that with IPhone 4, nope.
 

Michael Goff

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Jul 5, 2012
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$800 phones that are essentially killed off a few years down the line yet people are fighting for the brand. I don't know why so many just roll over and accept this is the case.
TV's aren't disposible, microwaves aren't, fridges aren't, Computers aren't (apart from rMBP's with soldered parts)..yet we are happy to accept that a bit of kit that costs more than alot of other electronics is just a throw away item. Oh no my phone is 3-4 years old, guess I should ship it off to a farm where it can die of old age in a happy environment.

The smartphone market basically restarted in 2007. Of course the mobile market is going to race quickly and have a LOT of change. In about five years or so, the huge performance gains will be a thing of the past and we'll likely get longer support cycles. But that won't help your underpowered iPhone 4.

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Why would I still have an iPhone 4?....
  • Send SMS
  • Recieve SMS
  • Send Email
  • Recieve Email
  • Make calls
  • Recieve calls
  • Takes Pictures
  • Send pics via Apps
  • Use chat Apps
  • Use for banking
  • Use for brief internet searches
  • Use for games
Pretty much everything the bendy iPhone 6 does...just without the handoff feature (which is dumb by Apple).

So sue me for not paying $800 for a new phone every year. Just because I have money doesn't mean I am stupid and a dog to pedigree chum.

Clearly you don't even want to spend 800$ on a phone every FOUR years. >_>;
 

Bending Pixels

macrumors 65816
Jul 22, 2010
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I don’t get the pun in the title of this thread. "Yosemite" does not rhyme with "might", does it?

he/she is whining/sniveling that Yosemite's Continuity won't work with his/her iPhone 4 because the iPhone 4's hardware doesn't support iOS 8.
 

AnonDP

macrumors member
Original poster
Jun 27, 2014
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he/she is whining/sniveling that Yosemite's Continuity won't work with his/her iPhone 4 because the iPhone 4's hardware doesn't support iOS 8.

FYI I am a he - I understand your confusion though, once you converse with females you will be able to differentiate between the two easier; all comes with experience, my fri.
 

Merode

macrumors 6502a
Nov 5, 2013
623
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Warsaw, Poland
FYI I am a he - I understand your confusion though, once you converse with females you will be able to differentiate between the two easier; all comes with experience, my fri.

The thing is, this thread serves absolutely no purpose. If you feel cheated because Apple dropped support for iPhone 4 after 4 years, take a minute and research how fast other manufacturers drop support for their flagship phones.

Some are even released with already outdated OS.

This thread has misleading title. Hint, hint:
http://aliciabenton.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/you-tube.jpg
 

AnonDP

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Original poster
Jun 27, 2014
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The thing is, this thread serves absolutely no purpose. If you feel cheated because Apple dropped support for iPhone 4 after 4 years, take a minute and research how fast other manufacturers drop support for their flagship phones.

Some are even released with already outdated OS.

This thread has misleading title. Hint, hint:
http://aliciabenton.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/you-tube.jpg

Of course it serves a purpose. It's another case of Apple bottlenecking products essentially forcing their consumers to re-buy the latest (and most expensive) of everything.

It's no different from being a drug addict - pay the money to get the high first of all then there is the come down and you shell out even more money to recieve the high again, it's a vicious spiral. Now I am £2000 deep in this Apple mess my options are have devices that simply do not work together or pay more money to acquire a host of features I expected to recieve anyway.

My advice to anyone even debating getting into the Apple hocus pocus is simply don't...you will find yourself keep having to shell out hard earnt paper. Not this puppy, I'm gonna cut the rope sooner or later if these Apple stunts carry on.
 

Bending Pixels

macrumors 65816
Jul 22, 2010
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FYI I am a he - I understand your confusion though, once you converse with females you will be able to differentiate between the two easier; all comes with experience, my fri.

It was kinda hard to tell with all of your whining.

You claim that "Apple [is] bottlenecking products essentially forcing their consumers to re-buy the latest (and most expensive) of everything. As both a manufacturer and software designer, there comes a time when older hardware won't support newer software. Do you realize the same issue happens to Android and Windows Phone users?
 

Zorn

macrumors 65816
Feb 14, 2006
1,133
796
Ohio
$800 phones that are essentially killed off a few years down the line yet people are fighting for the brand. I don't know why so many just roll over and accept this is the case.
TV's aren't disposible, microwaves aren't, fridges aren't, Computers aren't (apart from rMBP's with soldered parts)..yet we are happy to accept that a bit of kit that costs more than alot of other electronics is just a throw away item. Oh no my phone is 3-4 years old, guess I should ship it off to a farm where it can die of old age in a happy environment.

Does your TV get new features and updates 3 years later? What about your fridge? When was your last microwave software update that enabled new cooking presets?

Apple would be well within their rights to stop updating the previous phone as soon as a new one came out. The fact that they still update them for YEARS down the line is pretty awesome. Just go ask an Android fan who has a phone that came out 18 months ago and won't be getting anymore updates. You can get a 5C *free* on contract, go get one and enjoy the new features and many more updates to come. Don't keep the phone from 2010 then complain about it.

If you can afford an Audi R8 you can afford a 5C free on contract :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

bennibeef

macrumors 6502
May 22, 2013
340
161
I would be pissed if Audi is going to make a feature in the new R8 that lets me connect my iPhone with the car radio and the radio in the 2014 edition cant support it .. **** Audi! Does Audi expect me to buy every year a new car to get the features I thought I would get anyway in a expensive car? I'm now 200.000 in this Audi mess and my car sux now as well as my garage which was fine for my porsche but now without this feature I could as well destroy it and let my car rust away.
 

SarcasticJoe

macrumors 6502a
Nov 5, 2013
607
221
Finland
Nope, but they still have custom ROMs, I still have Original S as my third phone, and with few click 's have ROOTed it and put latest Android. Simpke as that, yeah it has some limitations, but after all I have it. Can you do that with IPhone 4, nope.

Considering the original Galaxy S is a single core Cortex A8 device with a GPU from 2007 and only 394MB of RAM that didn't get an official update to 4.0 because of not enough RAM, I'm going to call ******** on it having only "some" limitations. I know what those ROM's are like, I've played around with custom ROM's over the years as my third phone is an HTC Hero (another old favorite of the custom ROM scene). Thus I know that those ROM's are only 4.X in name as they've had to strip out just about all the new features simply because the device doesn't have the memory and would lag like crazy.

Those ROM's are literally like the custom Windows 7 setups people have made to run it on machines from the late 90's. If you've never seen any of those setups in action, they look like Windows 98, are missing so many API's that half the programs crash on launch and have glaring omissions like not being able to use printers (because the printer services have been removed or disabled).
 

Paradoxally

macrumors 68000
Feb 4, 2011
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2,896
Stop complaining that your obsolete piece of hardware does not work with an operating system that is 4 years newer than the hardware that is inside it.
 

cjmillsnun

macrumors 68020
Aug 28, 2009
2,399
48
I did not research online, I wanted a new laptop and the smooth talking, pretty young student 'genius' in the Apple store flogged the lumpy rMBP to me with all these flashy promises of Yosemite intigration with my phone.

Missold a bit of kit in store just so Apple can line their pockets. Not everyone digs down into the darkest depths of the internet to reasearch, I took the word of the genius and the thought that Apple would have some sense not to essentially kill off millions of devices.

1. The genii sit behind the bar and help with problems. You didn't speak to a genius, you spoke to a salesperson. Apple calls them specialists (but they are sales people)

2. Did you say you had an iPhone 4 or an iPhone?

3. Always do some research yourself.

4. No company is required to support their products for ever or even add new features to a product already sold. The iPhone 4 dates from 2010. It did get new features and three major operating system updates.

5. If you've had the rMBP less than 14 days, return it for a refund. No questions asked!

6. This thread does serve no purpose. Apple isn't forcing you to buy anything. I have an old iPhone 3G here. I booted it up last week, and stuck a sim card in it.

It still works. It makes calls, surfs the net, connects to twitter, etc, etc. It doesn't have TouchID though, and won't go past iOS 4.

It's just, that the hardware can no longer support the latest OS. So the feature set is now fixed. That's it. It still can do more than it did when I first bought it in 2008!
 
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andyp350

macrumors 6502a
Aug 14, 2011
807
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One of the deciding factors of purchasing the 2014 rMBP was the much anticipated Yosemite update which will allow SMS and Phone call answering and creation right from your machine. After much pain and frustration at the hands of this weighty bit of kit atleast I had these upcoming features to look forward to.
Now I have just discovered that this SMS/Phonecall 'handoff' feature is only available using iOS 8...guess what iOS 8 is only available on iPhone 4S upwards...I have an iPhone 4.

Real crafty Mr Apple, you're not sucking more money out of me; I guess there is no light at the end of the dark and gloomy sewage pipe that is my rMBP

Not happy

Hardly crafty! The supported devices for each feature are always listed as soon as the new OS is announced. It's up to you to do your research before purchasing a product. You can't expect a 4 year old bit of hardware to run every new feature that comes out in 2014.

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$800 phones that are essentially killed off a few years down the line yet people are fighting for the brand. I don't know why so many just roll over and accept this is the case.
TV's aren't disposible, microwaves aren't, fridges aren't, Computers aren't (apart from rMBP's with soldered parts)..yet we are happy to accept that a bit of kit that costs more than alot of other electronics is just a throw away item. Oh no my phone is 3-4 years old, guess I should ship it off to a farm where it can die of old age in a happy environment.

Slight exaggeration, just because a phone doesn't support every new feature doesn't mean its been 'killed off'.
 

AZhappyjack

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Jul 3, 2011
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One of the deciding factors of purchasing the 2014 rMBP was the much anticipated Yosemite update which will allow SMS and Phone call answering and creation right from your machine. After much pain and frustration at the hands of this weighty bit of kit atleast I had these upcoming features to look forward to.
Now I have just discovered that this SMS/Phonecall 'handoff' feature is only available using iOS 8...guess what iOS 8 is only available on iPhone 4S upwards...I have an iPhone 4.

Real crafty Mr Apple, you're not sucking more money out of me; I guess there is no light at the end of the dark and gloomy sewage pipe that is my rMBP

Not happy


Yes, this is all a conspiracy to screw you over personally.

if Apple allows iOS 8 on the iPhone 4 and it’s slow, laggy and buggy, you’d be ok with that right? The iPhone 4 is only FIVE generations old. Maybe it’s time for a new phone. SMH.

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Of course it serves a purpose. It's another case of Apple bottlenecking products essentially forcing their consumers to re-buy the latest (and most expensive) of everything.

It's no different from being a drug addict - pay the money to get the high first of all then there is the come down and you shell out even more money to recieve the high again, it's a vicious spiral. Now I am £2000 deep in this Apple mess my options are have devices that simply do not work together or pay more money to acquire a host of features I expected to recieve anyway.

My advice to anyone even debating getting into the Apple hocus pocus is simply don't...you will find yourself keep having to shell out hard earnt paper. Not this puppy, I'm gonna cut the rope sooner or later if these Apple stunts carry on.

You’re welcome to use the SMS/phone call syncing on your Windows computer or you Android phone. Good luck with that.

At some point you need to buy new(er) devices to take advantage of the latest software/features.
 

576316

macrumors 601
May 19, 2011
4,056
2,556
I did not research online, I wanted a new laptop and the smooth talking, pretty young student 'genius' in the Apple store flogged the lumpy rMBP to me with all these flashy promises of Yosemite intigration with my phone.

Missold a bit of kit in store just so Apple can line their pockets. Not everyone digs down into the darkest depths of the internet to reasearch, I took the word of the genius and the thought that Apple would have some sense not to essentially kill off millions of devices.

I'm sorry but you bought a $1000+ laptop because the nice lady in the Apple Store told you it was the best thing to buy and you didn't think any further research was necessary? Do you often find yourself buying a lot of things you don't need or want?

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One thing this idiot here doesn't seem to understand is that hardware gets old.

iPhone 4 can't take iOS 8. Live with it or upgrade your phone. There is no need to flame around in forums if you have no idea whats possible and what isn't possible.

Apple has one of the best support in industry what it comes to upgrading older hardware to the latest software. Be happy that your iPhone 4 even got iOS 7.

Apple even took a bit of a risk by offering iOS 7 to iPhone 4 users seeing as it pretty much turns your phone into a brick.
 

deviant

macrumors 65816
Oct 27, 2007
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275
Funny thing is.. People still use iPhone 4? I mean, I could understand my mom using it but a guy who buys a new rmbp... One would think that a guy would understand such a basic stuff as obsolete. Lol, iPhone 4. Even he 4S is pretty dead with ios8. When you upgraded to ios7 didn't it seem like it was already slow and since it didn't support a lot of new features maybe it was at its last breath?...
 

thehimay

macrumors member
Mar 17, 2009
54
1
Toronto, ON, CA
And I bought the rMBP on the premise it was the best laptop around and I needed a PORTABLE computer, it's my own fault for listening to peoples opinions on the laptop in here, I should have went to the store and picked it up and discovered the faults before I purchased.

Of course it serves a purpose. It's another case of Apple bottlenecking products essentially forcing their consumers to re-buy the latest (and most expensive) of everything.

I'm going to be more blunt with OP this time: what exactly are you complaining about here? You've stated you purchased the rMBP as it was the "best laptop around," and you appear to be unhappy with that decision (since it was the premise for purchase, was it not?) for some reason or another. Was this a hardware or software (or both) premise? One feature breaking the entire package? You've got bizarre priorities for what constitutes ideal features in a laptop (apparently features you've never previously had experience with, clearly).

Take your excuses elsewhere [since the information you were not aware of was more than available in multiple sources, here & elsewhere (see above in green, since obviously nothing online could've told you?)], and quit trolling, unless you have something substantial to contribute other than a philosophical standpoint on how you feel a company should operate it's interoperability over hardware generations.

This is getting beyond petty.
 

AnonDP

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Original poster
Jun 27, 2014
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When I say go in a pick up the rMBP I mean feel the weight of the machine as it is SO heavy. I THOUGHT because it was expensive (and because of all the hype around the rMBP on these forums) that it was the best. I now don't believe it is and think it is extremely weighty for no reason.
 

Skylitfly

macrumors 6502a
May 3, 2014
583
215
That Audi R8 V10 in your sig gave me a good laughs.

You probably can't even drive it. :D

No offense but I seriously believe so. Leave those car for people who are worth it.
 

bennibeef

macrumors 6502
May 22, 2013
340
161
I still cannot believe you call the retina macbook hefty. Thats ridiculous.

I have the older macbook and thats no problem to lift and I am not that of big guy like you always say and that old one has more weight to it. And thats like no problem. My girl is really not a hefty girl and even she doesnt complain about the weight of it?

If you complain about the weight of Macbook, man the wife is sure as hell not happy with you doing anything
 
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