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again any Canadian network will NEVER have to worry about capacity issues like the US does....
Exactly.

Hell there are more people living in California than in all of Canada.

I bet the average load on a cell tower in Canada is minuscule in comparison to one in California.
 
i dunno, i still dont buy it.

AT&T definitely has a larger network to maintain, upgrade, etc. But even Rogers didnt just flip a switch and start with HSPA+. they first upgraded 5 major cities, and will slowly upgrade the rest of the HSPA network.

and talking about scale, if AT&T has a larger network, they also have much larger customer base, and larger revenue i would think no? in that case they should have more resources in terms of upgrading the network or equipment. i really dont know technical details, but i'd assume they already have towers all over the country, and replacing or upgrading hspa radios/equipment with hspa+ should be more an issue of $$ than time.

even in canada now, bell & telus, two major cdma carriers, together just built a full HSPA network that overlays their whole cdma network (which has great coverage) in less than a year.
 
i dunno, i still dont buy it.

AT&T definitely has a larger network to maintain, upgrade, etc. But even Rogers didnt just flip a switch and start with HSPA+. they first upgraded 5 major cities, and will slowly upgrade the rest of the HSPA network.

and talking about scale, if AT&T has a larger network, they also have much larger customer base, and larger revenue i would think no? in that case they should have more resources in terms of upgrading the network or equipment. i really dont know technical details, but i'd assume they already have towers all over the country, and replacing or upgrading hspa radios/equipment with hspa+ should be more an issue of $$ than time.

even in canada now, bell & telus, two major cdma carriers, together just built a full HSPA network that overlays their whole cdma network (which has great coverage) in less than a year.

Lol.....did you not read my post? I'm not trying to be rude but networking isn't as easy as you think. I'm not just throwing out random terms. Again providing COVERAGE and providing CAPACITY are two different things. You can run highways all over the US but can you run 10 lane highways just as fast? I think not....yes with AT&Ts cash they should have there fricken executives climbing masts installing crap but trust me it's a very complicated process. Just google it and read up and you'll be blasted away once you get into it and really realize how much of a pain it can be. It's not like buying the new Netgear broadband router for your house you know.....
 
thats cool then.. i dont think you can make any assumptions about the capacity needed in canada though.

how do you think a coverage vs capacity issue would work in a european country as opposed to a state like california? lets say california compared to italy. california has bit more land mass but bit more than 50% the population of italy. would it technically be easier for california to pull off an upgrade from hspa to hspa+ compared to italy?
 
thats cool then.. i dont think you can make any assumptions about the capacity needed in canada though.

how do you think a coverage vs capacity issue would work in a european country as opposed to a state like california? lets say california compared to italy. california has bit more land mass but bit more than 50% the population of italy. would it technically be easier for california to pull off an upgrade from hspa to hspa+ compared to italy?
On a state to state level, yes.
But companies like Verizon and AT&T can't think like that.
They would have a customer riot on their hands.
They think how many major metropolitan areas can they launch in the shortest amount of time.
In the US, that's a lot of cities.
You have to plan the locations, get the permits, buy the equipment and staff the crews. The last part is the biggest one in the sense of brining people up to speed.
They don't have tower crews just sitting around waiting to work.
They have to hire and train the crews.

And on a final note about HSPA+, right now there aren't many cell phones that even support those speeds, including the iPhone. Those devices will be throttled down to what they can handle.
Those networks are mainly built for mobile broadband equipment like net books and laptops.
I would also like to see what kind of back haul is sitting behind those 21Mbps towers.
As we've all seen with AT&T, the tower can rock, but if the back end is built like crap, the service will still suck.
 
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