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skratch77

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TechnicallyTee

macrumors 68020
May 14, 2013
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Titanium backup and root explorer

Yeah I was doing the same thing but I am just going to chill because I do not want to trip Knox myself. I just really hope we can get some type of recovery where someone then can develop a deodexed ROM. I know that's a far shot but I really wasn't expecting root this early so I guess its somewhat good to keep my hopes up.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
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Las Vegas, NV
I use Facebook in the browser and always have.NFL mobile on verizon is not free and like 8 bucks a month.

I deleted so much more it's not even funny

Oh, ...i have T-Mobile TV on mine which isnt free either so i understand. I dont susbscribe to it.

I would be deleting a bunch of bloat too. I went to XDA, didnt see a root for TMobile version unless you install a ROM which i assume roots it for you.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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Does rooting make the device less stable like jail breaking in ios?

Rooting/jailbreak itself alone, does nothing to performance. It's what you do with root/jailbreak that might make things less stable. If you go with the most popular and stable apps, patches, edits, and etc, you'll usually have no problems. But if you're more experimental, then things can get ugly.
 

epicrayban

macrumors 604
Nov 7, 2014
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Rooting/jailbreak itself alone, does nothing to performance. It's what you do with root/jailbreak that might make things less stable. If you go with the most popular and stable apps, patches, edits, and etc, you'll usually have no problems. But if you're more experimental, then things can get ugly.

I would only want to root to get rid of the bloat.

Will doing so make the device use less ram and whatnot?
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
16,078
19,077
US
I would only want to root to get rid of the bloat.



Will doing so make the device use less ram and whatnot?


Right now there isn't too much of a benefit to rooting except to be able to uninstall bloat. The real benefit will come once we can unlock the boot loader and flash custom roms.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,878
10,987
I would only want to root to get rid of the bloat.

Will doing so make the device use less ram and whatnot?

Depends on the bloat you want to get rid of. Normal disabling of carrier and manufacturer system apps will decrease some ram usage, especially if they were opened and setup. But not by much.

There are some useless system services/apps that don't allow for being disabled and will not show up in RAM management, but rather show up as a part of System UI under RAM management. This is when freezing services/apps under root is handy.

Also using a wakelock manager helps with battery life and seeing in better detail what's active that normally just shows in default under system ui.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Right now there isn't too much of a benefit to rooting except to be able to uninstall bloat. The real benefit will come once we can unlock the boot loader and flash custom roms.

Id be fine with just deleting bloat as well. Maybe tweak the cores some for better performance and use less RAM but thats something i never did before. I dont care to use ROMs any longer.
I used to use them often with my GS1 and change the modem to get better battery life. I dont feel i need to do that now.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
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1,260
East Central Florida
Rooting/jailbreak itself alone, does nothing to performance. It's what you do with root/jailbreak that might make things less stable. If you go with the most popular and stable apps, patches, edits, and etc, you'll usually have no problems. But if you're more experimental, then things can get ugly.

Right on point. Rooting a stock rom and doing nothing should not effect anything really. Same goes for iOS. There have been some cases in the past where initial releases may have had stability effects (especially if the technique involves using vulnerabilities like rooting a bootloader locked android phone or jail breaking ios) but afaik they were fixed rather quickly.

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FWIW I root my phone with stock rom just to get access to the various root utilities that for me, fix a lot of what is wrong with android. I don't tinker with my device endlessly either, that stereotype doesn't have to be true for everyone.

It's enough to keep me only buying root able phones
 

skratch77

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I got 4 hours on screen time and still at 40% and didn't undercooked the phone today.I actually ran a bunch of benchmarks on top.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Las Vegas, NV
Right on point. Rooting a stock rom and doing nothing should not effect anything really. Same goes for iOS. There have been some cases in the past where initial releases may have had stability effects (especially if the technique involves using vulnerabilities like rooting a bootloader locked android phone or jail breaking ios) but afaik they were fixed rather quickly.

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FWIW I root my phone with stock rom just to get access to the various root utilities that for me, fix a lot of what is wrong with android. I don't tinker with my device endlessly either, that stereotype doesn't have to be true for everyone.

It's enough to keep me only buying root able phones

Also if you do root to uninstall bloat for instance and that is all you want to do ....be sure to unroot or you will not get any official OTA updates to your device when they come available.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
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I call it unwanted distraction. I moved on from that life years ago. I prefer to just get on with using my iphone than spending hours changing everything willy nilly.

Same.

I have the same reaction to jailbreaking. I just like getting on with life in general and using the phone.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
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East Central Florida
Also if you do root to uninstall bloat for instance and that is all you want to do ....be sure to unroot or you will not get any official OTA updates to your device when they come available.

Yes it will effect otas thats true. But unrooting would allow it to proceed like you said.

I would go further and say, If you start uninstalling system apps without a backup you will more than likely have to use kies or other similar program to restore/reset your device completely to accept otas. I believe all OTAs are now checking to be sure all normal system files exist on the phone before proceeding since lollipop. Every change I have made personally is reversible (I have not done many, de bloating isn't really a concern on stock android), so I undo them prior to taking otas and have never had to factory reset my phone. Which was cool coming from jail broken iOS where you have to factory restore for updates, no choice, no such thing as unjailbreaking.
 
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MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
rooted my gs6!

Yes it will effect otas thats true. But unrooting would allow it to proceed like you said.

I would go further and say, If you start uninstalling system apps without a backup you will more than likely have to use kies or other similar program to restore/reset your device completely to accept otas. I believe all OTAs are now checking to be sure all normal system files exist on the phone before proceeding since lollipop. Every change I have made personally is reversible (I have not done many, de bloating isn't really a concern on stock android), so I undo them prior to taking otas and have never had to factory reset my phone. Which was cool coming from jail broken iOS where you have to factory restore for updates, no choice, no such thing as unjailbreaking.



You will likely have to flash back to official stock before Kies will even play ball. You will need Odin.

I just hope none of you need hardware warranty and are caught :(. I hate Knox

Indeed if you are rooting just to get rid of carrier bloat, if you have the right version (may not apply to US) you can just flash an unbranded rom in Odin and stay completely official with no Knox trigger and still keep getting OTA's.

Like I say this is perhaps easier with international / eel European variants.
 

JackieInCo

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
5,178
1,601
Colorado
LOL, NFL Mobile and Facebook is bloat?:(

Two good ones imo. Wish i could watch NFL Games on my phone but i dont have Verizon.

I dont care about using ROMs any longer but removing the bloat would be nice.

The problem with Facebook being preinstalled is that it has the ability to update itself OUTSIDE of the play store. You'll know when it updates outside of the play store when it shows as being updated in the notification pane and has a number below it. Who knows what FB is doing with the app since it is not playing by any rules.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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The problem with Facebook being preinstalled is that it has the ability to update itself OUTSIDE of the play store. You'll know when it updates outside of the play store when it shows as being updated in the notification pane and has a number below it. Who knows what FB is doing with the app since it is not playing by any rules.

How is that a bad thing? The app seems to work the same. Is it using more RAM or acting different being pre installed? I really dont know so i am asking and want to understand any draw back if there is one.
 

JackieInCo

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
5,178
1,601
Colorado
How is that a bad thing? The app seems to work the same. Is it using more RAM or acting different being pre installed? I really dont know so i am asking and want to understand any draw back if there is one.

Because they are bypassing the Play Store and getting around the rules that Google has set forth for developers to follow.

By updating outside of the Play Store, they could be adding anything to the app and even getting access to everything on your phone and even worse.

Facebook had not always been honest in what they collect about users and they've had privacy issues in the past.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
How is that a bad thing? The app seems to work the same. Is it using more RAM or acting different being pre installed? I really dont know so i am asking and want to understand any draw back if there is one.
Seems to use around 80-100mb on my Z3, Nexus 6. Seems to use 130-170mb on my S6 Edge.

Weird I know.
 

ibuyufo

macrumors 6502
Sep 22, 2007
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That's fine since iv been using Google wallet for years and Google don't give a crap about samsung pay and encourage users to root there devices.

Quick update....my cells runs insanly smooth with everything deleted and busybox installed along with the governor set to performance!

I wish I could remove a lot of the bloatware that came with the phone but I really want to use samsung pay.
 
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