RTX Series Cards have Native Bootscreen Support!

[tsialex]

Why are all of you so sure about that?

...and why, in the first place, should NV finaly implement Mac-bootscreen capabilities to the RTX-cards not wanting them to ever run in Macs? The 7,1 is not even out yet. And i strongly doubt that there will be only one breed of GPUs for those machines for their whole lifespan.

So many things estimated "dead" since there are Macs, which happily came back to life not even half a year later. We will see...

You are definitively wrong here.

NVIDIA did not implemented Mac EFI pre-boot configuration support, but just a translation shim from UGA to GOP pre-boot configuration support that happens to work enough in a Mac to have boot screens. This is not news and was found very early on.

 

[flyproductions]

You are definitively wrong here.

NVIDIA did not implemented Mac EFI pre-boot configuration support, but just a translation shim from UGA to GOP pre-boot configuration support that happens to work enough in a Mac to have boot screens. This is not news and was found very early on.

Thanks for enlighting the technical background of this...

...but even if this didn't "happen" with the Mac Pro in mind, are you sure too there will be no Turing-drivers for Mac OS further down the road?

 

[tsialex]

Thanks for enlighting the technical background of this...

...but even if this didn't "happen" with the Mac Pro in mind, are you sure too there will be no Turing-drivers for Mac OS further down the road?

It's not a technical problem but a business one and NVIDIA and Apple can resolve this tomorrow if they want to. Every NVIDIA user here wanted this situation to go, but a year passed on and nothing. If NVIDIA really want to support MP7,1, I bet they announced it by now.

 

[flyproductions]

It's not a technical problem but a business one and NVIDIA and Apple can resolve this tomorrow if they want to. Every NVIDIA user here wanted this situation to go, but a year passed on and nothing. If NVIDIA really want to support MP7,1, I bet they announced it by now.

So it took longer now than the eleven month's the HS driver needed to appear. Maybe over there at NV they just wait and see how the 7,1 sells...

At least i really don't believe Apple actively preventing it to happen. i absolutely can not see any point for something like that. There have always been two. And there even could be folks willing to purchase a 7,1 if only it would support their high end NV workstation GPU.

 

[tsialex]

So it took longer now than the eleven month's the HS driver needed to appear. Maybe over there at NV they just wait and see how the 7,1 sells...

At least i really don't believe Apple actively preventing it to happen. i absolutely can not see any point for something like that. There have always been two. And there even could be folks willing to purchase a 7,1 if only it would support their high end NV workstation GPU.

Don't bet on it since MP7,1 will never sell MP4,1/MP5,1 numbers, it's a Mac designed for a very narrow niche market with a very high initial price.

Anyway, this already been discussed exhaustively here and nothing new happened.

 

[Ludacrisvp]

I’ve been a dedicated Nvidia user since the GeForce 2 card from around 2001 with the occasional ATI card just to test the waters.
Just within the last couple months did I finally give up and buy 2 variants of the RX 580 because the writing on the wall is crystal clear.

If Nvidia was going to be a player in the 7,1 it would have announced when they revealed the MPX cards.

The last Mac with Nvidia anything in it is many years old now. The mid 2014 MacBook Pro optionally came with a GeForce GT 750M. That’s the most recent Mac with a Nvidia GPU.

 

[flyproductions]

The last Mac with Nvidia anything in it is many years old now. The mid 2014 MacBook Pro optionally came with a GeForce GT 750M. That’s the most recent Mac with a Nvidia GPU.

Yes, ...as there has been no GPU-upgradeable Mac at all for more than seven years. But now again there is one. So what would you do if you'd happen to be one of the two players in the game?

I'm on AMD now too. RX 570 just for the two DVIs. But can it really be that boring?

And no! The VII ist not an option for me. Paying 600 for something drawing nearly twice the juice to perform barely 20% better than any non ti 1080 which i can get around the corner for 300 something? Thanks, but no!

 

[h9826790]

Yes, ...as there has been no GPU-upgradeable Mac at all for more than seven years. But now again there is one. So what would you do if you'd happen to be one of the two players in the game?

I'm on AMD now too. RX 570 just for the two DVIs. But can it really be that boring?

And no! The VII ist not an option for me. Paying 600 for something drawing nearly twice the juice to perform barely 20% better than any non ti 1080 which i can get around the corner for 300 something? Thanks, but no!

May be you missed my post.

I got my Radoen VII for $350 about 2 weeks ago.

And I make a kext to limit the power draw to ~210W, but perform better than 1080Ti.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-downvolt-a-radeon-vii.2194899/page-2#post-27673737

 

[killawat]

At least i really don't believe Apple actively preventing it to happen.

Why not? Apple and Nvidia have bad blood and all it takes is for one person in the org to slap down any Nvidia integration. Nvidia on the other hand is still offering High Sierra drivers, previously had job posting for metal engineers, and would make a mint off of eGPU compatibility. The native boot screens are icing on the cake that we can't have. It truly boggles the mind.

I've had several nvidia GPUs and would count myself an nvidia fanboy, My first nvidia GPU was a 6800 AGP then I switched to a PCI model (Cause I didn't know any better). Most recently I had a GTX 1080ti. Well, now my daily driver is a RX580. You win Apple. I sold the 1080ti to some happy gamers on eBay and am am now 100% AMD just so I can stay in the damn Apple ecosystem.

I'm not saying that nvidia compatibility won't come for certain, tbh I believe Qualcomm and Apple had an even worse relationship than Apple and nvidia, but there is just too much baggage. For nvidia to come out on top, much like Qualcomm, AMD would need to fail to deliver like Intel on 5G and become the only viable path. Thats just not where we are today and won't be for some time.

 

[flyproductions]

May be you missed my post.

I got my Radoen VII for $350 about 2 weeks ago.

May be you are on the lucky side!

I don't see any of them around here new for less than 600 Euros. In most cases even closer to 700.

Just google "radeon VII" with a german proxy to get the taste.

 

[HaypurTiryading]

May be you missed my post.

I got my Radoen VII for $350 about 2 weeks ago.

And I make a kext to limit the power draw to ~210W, but perform better than 1080Ti.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-downvolt-a-radeon-vii.2194899/page-2#post-27673737

Where would you get that at this price? In Turkey, I can find at ~700-750usd. RX5700 is 350usd.

 

[h9826790]

Where would you get that at this price? In Turkey, I can find at ~700-750usd. RX5700 is 350usd.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-downvolt-a-radeon-vii.2194899/#post-27655244

 

[flyproductions]

And I make a kext to limit the power draw to ~210W, but perform better than 1080Ti.

Anyway, 210 is still quite on the edge for any 4,1/5,1 with unmodded powersupply...compared to the 180 cards performing only slightly lower happily get along with. And anyone not as lucky as you will get such cards around half the price of an Radeon VII. And finally in any cenario performing better than a 1080ti? I have my doubts!

IMHO for anybody (like me) staying with HS for any reason, a 1080 is the far better choice. And who knows...maybe some day finally the 2070...

 

[macaddress]

why is the driver so damn important? you're on deserted island beach and magically you got mac 5,1. with a magical outlet and elon's starlink and your passive airport with no video card except the rtx. you got the whole island but sand rock and salt water. there is no way. how would you get off this island? using these materials knowing what we know of how computers work?

answer ditch it and take the boat you came on from

edit: my 128 gb 4x4 memory running zips through at 800mhz, a landslide better than the 2x4 memory running @1333. 4x4 is unsupportive but what the hell is happening because not only geekbech agrees, all my porn tabs in firefox as well. not just web but i opened up multiple memory intensive apps and i found that the the 2x4 was stalling out not eve loading half the programs before i had to brute force quit

 

[macaddress]

why is the driver so damn important? you're on deserted island beach and magically you got mac 5,1. with a magical outlet and elon's starlink and your passive airport with no video card except the rtx. you got the whole island but sand rock and salt water. there is no way. how would you get off this island? using these materials knowing what we know of how computers work?

answer ditch it and take the boat you came on from

edit: my 128 gb 4x4 memory running zips through at 800mhz, a landslide better than the 2x4 memory running @1333. 4x4 is unsupportive but what the hell is happening because not only geekbech agrees, all my porn tabs in firefox as well. not just web but i opened up multiple memory intensive apps and i found that the the 2x4 was stalling out not eve loading half the programs before i had to brute force quit.

thing i learned was hbm2 was better, yet wasted on a bus speed the board could deliver at 8gt/s

 

[r00tb0x954]

It isn't a failure until you give up or brick something, though the statement is mildly funny. If you plan on giving up, I suggest you take a break first. Haha!

Everyone would do it if it were easier. The topic of the thread is an RTX in a genuine MP 5,1-not a hackintosh. Windows is the only mainstream OS for which RTX drivers are readily available.

I am looking forward to hearing about your successes, so I can get inspired to do the same, hopefully sooner rather than later! I'm crossing my fingers that I can spend a little more in reality than the 2060. On TechPowerUp's performance chart, it's ranked next to the Vega 56 and 1070Ti in the low-power category.



Considering their past with XX60 series cards and the memory on those cards, I have my concerns.

 

[saltarob]

Hi, did ever anyone else test a Nvidia RTX card in a Mac Pro 5,1?

I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with a Dual Boot system on top of OpenCore 0.8.3. I have a Nvidia RTX 3070. I put it in pci slot 1. With the native Apple EFI (firmware 144.0.0.0.0) it just loops in boot chime. Same with OpenCore.

I was hopping to be able to boot into Windows as it was shown in the beginning of the video.

I have no hope about macOS and Nvidia but to boot into Windows with an RTX 3070 would be great. Can anyone think of a way to make this happen on a Mac Pro 5,1?

 

[saltarob]

New Video is up on Youtube

Is this also working with a RTX 3070?

 

[tsialex]

Is this also working with a RTX 3070?

No, the most recent NVIDIA drivers ever written for macOS are for Pascal GPUs.

 

[calderini]

IF true, this could be enough for me to upgrade to an RTX from my GTX 1080 FE. Still on High Sierra for now...

 

[saltarob]

No, the most recent NVIDIA drivers ever written for macOS are for Pascal GPUs.

The video is about booting into Windows 10 with the RTX 20xx.

So my question was about booting and using the RTX 3070 on a Windows installation on a Mac Pro 5,1.

I am aware that there are no drivers for macOS. Sorry for the misunderstanding.