Phones Rumored Samsung Galaxy S4 Features 5" 1080p Display, To Be Shown at CES?

[michaeljohn]

I would think that Apple would do enough polling or whatever to determine if sales would justify making a 4.5" or 5" screen. If enough profit can be made, why not make a larger screen? I think that as long as the larger screened phones continue to sell well, companies will put these out because enough consumers do want them.

I hear some posters saying "iPhone users do/don't want...". However, there are so many more iPhone users out there than the vast majority of us will come into contact with that it's hard to say what the majority of iPhone users want. My wife who is small/petite and has small hands has used everything from a 2.8"-4.5" device and the 4.5" device is her favorite.

Samsung has done well with their 4.6"-5.5"+ screens despite the naysayers and those concerned enough with what people are using to make fun of them for what they look like holding a large device to the side of their face. I guess there are enough of us (Note users) that just don't care what others think about us.

Where does it end though? Apple already sells a 4 inch phone, a 7 inch tablet and a 10 inch tablet. Plenty for most consumers. You really think they can make a device for every person's own want? Sure! Lets make a 4 inch, 5 inch, 6 inch iPhone and hey while we are at it, lets make a 9 inch iPad too just in case the mini is too small and the 10 inch is too big

 

[F123D]

Samsung makes what? At least 20 different phones. They can afford to take a bolder stance Apple can't because they only make ONE iPhone. If Samsung releases a phone that doesn't go over well, big deal. They just put out another one a few months later and abandon the previous one as they have done plenty of times. Who cares about the beta testers that buy it right?

What does this have to do with the S4?

 

[kiltedthrower]

Where does it end though? Apple already sells a 4 inch phone, a 7 inch tablet and a 10 inch tablet. Plenty for most consumers. You really think they can make a device for every person's own want? Sure! Lets make a 4 inch, 5 inch, 6 inch iPhone and hey while we are at it, lets make a 9 inch iPad too just in case the mini is too small and the 10 inch is too big

You're rolling your eyes but if they make a few million of profit off each, then who's the winner? Everyone. I'm not sure why it bothers you if they come out with multiple sizes. It's not your company. You don't have to buy the product.

I guess I don't see what's wrong with having three different size offerings: 3.5", 4", and 4.5" (or run a 4, 4.5, and 5"). Then you have your 7.something" tablet (remember Apple says it's not a 7" tablet) and the 10" tablet. Are 3 phone size choices and 2 tablet size choices really that much? And are you saying that if Apple didn't make it they wouldn't make profit off of it? Obviously the large screened and multiple screened phones are making someone some profit or they wouldn't be in production.

 

[michaeljohn]

I guess I don't see what's wrong with having three different size offerings: 3.5", 4", and 4.5" (or run a 4, 4.5, and 5")

Thats because you are not a developer or have the understanding of what it would take to keep re-writing all of the apps to fit each screen size. You also dont seem to understand what a larger screen means to the display, resolution and the pixels within them. You dont just start making a ton of screen sizes because you can.

 

[Timzer]

Thats because you are not a developer or have the understanding of what it would take to keep re-writing all of the apps to fit each screen size. You also dont seem to understand what a larger screen means to the display, resolution and the pixels within them. You dont just start making a ton of screen sizes because you can.

And you do? Please tell us exactly how it is.

 

[kiltedthrower]

Thats because you are not a developer or have the understanding of what it would take to keep re-writing all of the apps to fit each screen size. You also dont seem to understand what a larger screen means to the display, resolution and the pixels within them. You dont just start making a ton of screen sizes because you can.

I'd suppose that if you wanted to continue to make money or make more money, you'd adapt to a bit of extra work. I'm not sure what you do for a living but my career requires that I do professional development and continuing education. If I want to continue to stay in my career, then I do what is required. If I don't, then I don't do what is required.

Maybe it's not the best analogy but, yes, I understand that it would require more work on the part of the developers and the company and the manufacturers. My dad is a computer engineer and programmer that also runs/manages the machine shop for the corporation that he works at and does consulting work for. While I'm not overly familiar with the software side (I find programming and coding horribly boring), I have been at his shop enough to know what happens when new parts/ fabrication/ spec changes/etc is ordered. But, hey, when a client has the money to throw out...you betcha someone is going to do the work to make some money.

 

[dalbir4444]

Thats because you are not a developer or have the understanding of what it would take to keep re-writing all of the apps to fit each screen size. You also dont seem to understand what a larger screen means to the display, resolution and the pixels within them. You dont just start making a ton of screen sizes because you can.

Are you a developer? I never hear (competent) developers complaining, but interestingly enough it's always someone who has never coded an app in his life that keeps complaining.

I mean Windows runs on a million different permutations of hardware and it has the largest collection of software of all desktop OS.

 

[mib1800]

Thats because you are not a developer or have the understanding of what it would take to keep re-writing all of the apps to fit each screen size. You also dont seem to understand what a larger screen means to the display, resolution and the pixels within them. You dont just start making a ton of screen sizes because you can.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Android UI framework (rescaling) is much more flexible than iOS. iOS phone-only app looks total crap running on a tablet. But not so for Android.

 

[michaeljohn]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Android UI framework (rescaling) is much more flexible than iOS. iOS phone-only app looks total crap running on a tablet. But not so for Android.

I was talking about iOS. I am fully aware how Android apps are coded.

 

[scapegoat81]

God i hope Apple doesn't go to the 4.5"-5" route. 4" is perfect

 

[swy05]

God i hope Apple doesn't go to the 4.5"-5" route. 4" is perfect

3.5" was perfect. People moaned and bitched that they didn't want a bigger screen.

Now 4" is perfect. People are bitching and moaning about not wanting a bigger screen.

When Apple decides to release a larger screen, it'll be perfect once again.


Because just so everyone remembers. When other cellphone companies produce something, it's crap. But when Apple produces the same thing, only Apple can magically do it the right way.

How we've forgotten about NFC. It's crap because Apple doesn't have NFC. But once Apple introduces NFC, it'll be magical and only Apple can introduce NFC the correct way.

How is your 7.9 inch tablet that Steve hated with a passion. But, it's magical now that Apple makes it.

The whole Apple culture is one festering dump of hypocrisy.

 

[michaeljohn]

3.5" was perfect. People moaned and bitched that they didn't want a bigger screen.

Now 4" is perfect. People are bitching and moaning about not wanting a bigger screen.

When Apple decides to release a larger screen, it'll be perfect once again.

Where are you getting this info? Looks to me that the majority of iPhone users here wanted a 4 inch screen over a 3.5 inch screen. Who said 3.5 inches was perfect and they didnt want anything bigger? Wasnt here.


https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1370238/

https://forums.macrumors.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9061

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1382684/

 

[dalbir4444]

3.5" was perfect. People moaned and bitched that they didn't want a bigger screen.

Now 4" is perfect. People are bitching and moaning about not wanting a bigger screen.

When Apple decides to release a larger screen, it'll be perfect once again.


Because just so everyone remembers. When other cellphone companies produce something, it's crap. But when Apple produces the same thing, only Apple can magically do it the right way.

How we've forgotten about NFC. It's crap because Apple doesn't have NFC. But once Apple introduces NFC, it'll be magical and only Apple can introduce NFC the correct way.

How is your 7.9 inch tablet that Steve hated with a passion. But, it's magical now that Apple makes it.

The whole Apple culture is one festering dump of hypocrisy.

Also, once an iPhone comes out with NFC, then any phone without it will be worthless. I've actually heard people claim that the iPhone didn't have LTE because the technology wasn't ready. That once Apple implements LTE, they will show everyone how it's done right.

Some of the things people say to defend the iPhone are downright ludicrous.

 

[michaeljohn]

Also, once an iPhone comes out with NFC, then any phone without it will be worthless. I've actually heard people claim that the iPhone didn't have LTE because the technology wasn't ready. That once Apple implements LTE, they will show everyone how it's done right.

Some of the things people say to defend the iPhone are downright ludicrous.

NFC wont take off until Apple starts to utilize it and so do iPhone users. Who uses NFC right now? No one cares its on a few random Android phones, not even retailers. Same way there is every accessory available for iPhone and jack crap for Android phones. That was another thing that always ticked me off when I had Android phones. Android isnt the standard. Something like NFC wont become an industry standard until Apple and the iPhone start to incorporate it. How it goes..

 

[dalbir4444]

NFC wont take off until Apple starts to utilize it and so do iPhone users. Who uses NFC right now? No one cares its on a few random Android phones, not even retailers. Same way there is every accessory available for iPhone and jack crap for Android phones. That was another thing that always ticked me off when I had Android phones.

iPhones definitely have more accessories but the Galaxy S3 isn't too bad either.

Android isnt the standard. Something like NFC wont become an industry standard until Apple and the iPhone start to incorporate it. How it goes..

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Apple hardly creates any industry standards. Most of their products use proprietary technology. Also, Apple didn't do much to popularize LTE. That was mostly Android phones.

The only thing that will happen once iPhones have NFC is that they will get a lot of media attention. That's good for pushing it into mainstream consumers but it doesn't mean Apple is the one pushing industry standards. In fact they're usually quite late to incorporate new technologies.

 

[siiip5]

Samsung makes what? At least 20 different phones. They can afford to take a bolder stance Apple can't because they only make ONE iPhone. If Samsung releases a phone that doesn't go over well, big deal. They just put out another one a few months later and abandon the previous one as they have done plenty of times. Who cares about the beta testers that buy it right?

You do realize that the S3 has sold over 30 million by itself? And all iphones combined have been lucky to sell 26 million over the last two quarters. And Samsung is still supporting the Nexus and S2. The S will not be able to load 4.2 Jelly Bean though. Hardware is too outdated.

And here is something I found out about my 2010 27" iMac and 2010 MBP; Apple abondoned all 2010 and older Mac's in the latest Lion upgrade. Sure you can load it, but don't expect all the features to work. No Airplay mirroring for you. A less than 2 year old computer, already abandoned by Apple. But who cares,right? I mean, we should buy $2000+ computers from Apple every 18 months.

 

[michaeljohn]

You do realize that the S3 has sold over 30 million by itself? And all iphones combined have been lucky to sell 26 million over the last two quarters.

Apple cannot keep up with demand on the iPhone 5 which is hurting its sales numbers. You know how many people would be buying them right now if they were in stock and readily available? A ton. They havent been in stock since they were released. Even still, the 5 is projected to sell over 46 million units by Dec. Thats two months of sales. It took the S3 five months to sell 30 million and its been available everywhere. Not even close.

http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/iphone-5-sales-2012-demand/

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/analyst-december-iphone-5-sales-to-hit-46.5-million

 

[dalbir4444]

Apple cannot keep up with demand on the iPhone 5 which is hurting its sales numbers. You know how many people would be buying them right now if they were in stock and readily available? A ton. They havent been in stock since they were released. Even still, the 5 is projected to sell over 46 million units by Dec. Thats two months of sales. It took the S3 five months to sell 30 million and its been available everywhere. Not even close.

http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/iphone-5-sales-2012-demand/

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/analyst-december-iphone-5-sales-to-hit-46.5-million

The guy in the second article also thinks that Apple's stock will sell for US$840 by December, so I wouldn't take his word for it. Both phones are doing great. We'll just have to wait a month to see how well the iPhone 5 sells during the holiday season.

 

[swy05]

NFC wont take off until Apple starts to utilize it and so do iPhone users. Who uses NFC right now? No one cares its on a few random Android phones, not even retailers. Same way there is every accessory available for iPhone and jack crap for Android phones. That was another thing that always ticked me off when I had Android phones. Android isnt the standard. Something like NFC wont become an industry standard until Apple and the iPhone start to incorporate it. How it goes..

This discussion is over. This is the typical response/reasoning given by Lord Job's children.

You think no one uses NFC?

Wake up buttercup. NFC is used all around the world. You know how big NFC is in Asia. In Korea, even the most rural country-side towns utilize NFC. All of the public transportation systems utilize NFC (buses, trains, taxis, etc.)

There's another world outside of America. America is not the center of the world.

Lord Job's children basically have one way of thinking which is sad. Until Apple introduces it, it is garbage.

LTE was bashed when Apple didn't have it. Now, it's magical because Apple introduced it. LTE has been around for years.

Your precious 7.9 inch ipad was bashed by your Lord Jobs. But now Apple introduced it, it "just works" and makes sense.

So all these 4+ inch phones are garbage because Apple doesn't have them yet. Once Apple introduces a bigger screen, it'll all make sense again right?

I hope for your sake, Apple never introduces a phone bigger than 4 inches.

 

[Vegastouch]

If they really do that they are going to do 2 bad things for their business. First, they are going to lose all the people who already think the S3 was a bit too big by making it even larger. Second, they are going to take sales away from the Note 2 since the difference in .5 inches isnt much at all and the S4 would have a much better display and hardware. Stupid move if you ask me.

I wouldnt have thought anything else.
And its not a bad move if teh overall size of the phone is the same and what has been reported before. If just the screen size is bigger, thats a good thing. Its just a matter of if it will have screen buttons or capacitive but that 441 PPI screen will be sweet!

Im sure Apple has plans for their phone. Perhaps NFC which means a plastic back. Oh the HORRAH for those who hate plastic backs in here....and that is many! Or perhaps you get another glass back.

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"give customers what they want?" How many iphone users are crying for a 5 inch phone? VERY few. Go look at the polls in the iPhone forum, no one really wants a bigger phone than 4 inches. So you expect Apple to change their formula which has made them BILLIONS of dollars and seen them produce the most popular phone in the world to appeal to the what? 10% of people who want bigger iPhone? LOL I really hope you arent in business.

LOL, yeah sure...they said that when they had a 3.5" screen. Thats was supposedly perfect...lol, now 4" is perfect. Next, 4.5" will be perfect.

Bro, this board is all about "whatever Apple does, is perfect"!

Maybe you havent noticed how many here have went to an Android device and the market share has skyrocketed towards Android.

Yeah, nobody wants a screen bigger than 4"

 

[tjl3]

You do realize that the S3 has sold over 30 million by itself? And all iphones combined have been lucky to sell 26 million over the last two quarters. And Samsung is still supporting the Nexus and S2. The S will not be able to load 4.2 Jelly Bean though. Hardware is too outdated.

Biased and/or uniformed? GS3 only crossed 30 mil 1 month after Q3 ended. Total iPhone 4S sold/shipped from Q2 to Q3 is ~36 mil. Tack on 6 mil iPhone 5's in Q3. Total GS3 sold/shipped from Q2 to Q3 is 23 mil.

And here is something I found out about my 2010 27" iMac and 2010 MBP; Apple abondoned all 2010 and older Mac's in the latest Lion upgrade. Sure you can load it, but don't expect all the features to work. No Airplay mirroring for you. A less than 2 year old computer, already abandoned by Apple. But who cares,right? I mean, we should buy $2000+ computers from Apple every 18 months.

Mountain Lion is also supported for all Macs back to 2009. Some Macs as old as 2007 are supported as well. Facts

 

[b166er]

I think one of the things to consider here is that although these are phones, holding them up to our ears is becoming very rare. I use my smartphone all day and I'm rarely actually on a call. Also many people use Bluetooth headsets. I use my smartphone for so much stuff, and it's those other non-phone functions that warrant a larger screen. It's not a phone, it's a work station, a social networking device, a camera, and a hundred other things. If all I needed was a phone I'd get a regular old phone.

Where at a point now where consumers have several great options. Yet again it's the iPhone that limits you to choosing between a 3.5 and an awkward 4. Android and WP offer more options so if screen size is your thing you can look there. It's stupid of anyone to think that a 4.5/5 inch iPhone wouldn't sell. It would. Case in point, the 7 inch iPad that many on here said simply didn't exist is now selling very well. Apple could easily offer two phones a year. Same basic specs. One with a larger screen and bigger battery. I'd love a larger phone on iOS.

 

[ixodes]

He never mentioned iPhone users.

That's easily explained with some very basic facts.

First, there is no such thing as "one size fits all". That's the beauty of having choices. The narrow, elongated iPhone 5 display has it's supporters. They love the size and that's great.

Then there are smartphone users that have had the benefit of experiencing the larger displays that offer more viewing area, easier, faster & more accurate typing due to having more room to work, and the pleasure of viewing web pages in desktop mode without them being too small to be easily read.

It's all about choices. The greater buying public has welcomed & made popular these larger displays as created & featured on Samsung & other Android powered smartphones. Innovation now lives in the Samsung camp. Forward thinking, & quick to implement, Samsung is driving the smartphone segment forward at an exciting pace.

 

[siiip5]

Biased and/or uniformed? GS3 only crossed 30 mil 1 month after Q3 ended. Total iPhone 4S sold/shipped from Q2 to Q3 is ~36 mil. Tack on 6 mil iPhone 5's in Q3. Total GS3 sold/shipped from Q2 to Q3 is 23 mil.



Mountain Lion is also supported for all Macs back to 2009. Some Macs as old as 2007 are supported as well. Facts

I have all the facts I need. Apple refuses to allow any computer over 18 months into its life cycle from using key aspects of Mountain Lion. Pissed me off.

 

[vcoleiro1]

I agree with the comment that there is no one size that fits all. Even before smartphones, there were a number of different sized phones ranging from the ridiculously small to large. Funny to think about it, but back then the race was in reverse, ie manufacturers started with largish phones and were competing to make smaller ones. How times have changed.

For me personally, I like the largest screen on my smartphone I can comfortably handle to web surf on. Smartphones these days to most people are their portable tablet , so the biggest screen that is still able to be comfortably held is what they will generally go for. For me , being 6' 6" with large hands , a 5" screen to me is like a normal 3.5" iPhone to others.

It all depends on the user and what they are comfortable with, for example my tiny niece has a large Samsung smartphone which shes happy with - it all depends.