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WLS

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It is disappointing news about the omission of the MBA today but would an MBA update really be announced along with the pros?
It does need an update so lets hope that a separate announcement is made in the next few weeks. I have been looking at the MBA since the iPad was a bit disappointing to me. Just an opinion which even I hope is wrong but it does look like there really isn't a spot in their line up that it fits any more. It looks to me like the iPad is what apple wants to develop for the ultralight and portable market with several models and the longer it gets before an update the more probable that seems.
 

Mactagonist

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Feb 5, 2008
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What about if they discontinue the MBA?
We would become part of a lucky elite.

Yeah, a lucky elite like those HD-DVD owners! :p

I do expect Apple to continue the MBA line. It is not replaced by the iPad (which is an additive, client device) or by these newer MBP models. I think it will continue to be a laptop stripped to its most minimal essentials at the smallest size Apple considers usable.

The problem is that there just arnt many processor/gpu combinations Apple could add that will show a significant improvement. I wouldnt rule out a custom GPU like the one in the new MBP13 paired with the same old C2D, 4gb RAM standard, a bigger SSD option, newer momentum trackpad, better battery and built in 3g WWAN sometime soon. But Apple is going to take care of their higher volume MBP/MB line first. Their resources (mostly human) arnt infinite and it is a matter of priorities.
 

lily69

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Apr 4, 2010
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Am disappointed too but with hope.
Sony Vaio Z is very nice, tried it in Sony shop but I still want OSX.
I just need something from Apple with 13" and 4G RAM weighted less than 3lb...Hope it's come out in 2 months
 

splashnader

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Jul 1, 2008
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I thought I remember reading back when all the rumors were cooing out about the mbp updates, that in one of those articles they said they expected the MacBook air line to be updated in 2011. I couldn't believe that when I saw it because it is such a long time frame. I to am disappointed that there will be a longer wait for new MacBook Air.
 

6826835

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Just ordered a 21.5" iMac for home use and love the idea of the MBA as a portable, more so than a Pro. I think we've established that no one has any idea when Apple will upgrade their products or what they will upgrade but it would be nice to see the following things included:

Longer battery life
4Gb RAM
Faster processor
256Gb SSD
Glass trackpad
Higher res screen
Extra USB

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect most of these features, especially the first 3, considering what other brands have been able to do with their ultra-portables (HP & Sony namely). Here's hoping..
 

Fraaaa

macrumors 65816
Mar 22, 2010
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Just ordered a 21.5" iMac for home use and love the idea of the MBA as a portable, more so than a Pro. I think we've established that no one has any idea when Apple will upgrade their products or what they will upgrade but it would be nice to see the following things included:

Longer battery life
4Gb RAM
Faster processor
256Gb SSD
Glass trackpad
Higher res screen
Extra USB

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect most of these features, especially the first 3, considering what other brands have been able to do with their ultra-portables (HP & Sony namely). Here's hoping..

+1

Battery life, RAM, SSD, Nice processor and Nice graphic card are my pinpoint.
 

raccoontail

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Jul 5, 2007
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it would be nice to see the following things included:
Longer battery life,4Gb RAM,Faster processor,256Gb SSD,Glass trackpad,Higher res screen,Extra USB
I'm super bummed there was no update. 4GB RAM and faster processor would be enough upgrade for me. I stopped by an Apple store to see the new laptops and confirmed the 13" macbook pro is just too heavy for my usage. (I currently have a 24" iMac and a $320 netbook). I'd love to upgrade to a MBA for the screen/keyboard size, but the performance just lags.. The 27" iMac felt "snappy" and responsive. The macbook pros were quick, but noticeably slower, and the MBA, well.. seemed comparable to my atom powered netbook, which despite having a smaller screen , has USBx3,VGA, and SD slot built in. Hard to justify the purchase until they bump the specs up.
 

Manatee

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Oct 20, 2003
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Just ordered a 21.5" iMac for home use and love the idea of the MBA as a portable, more so than a Pro. I think we've established that no one has any idea when Apple will upgrade their products or what they will upgrade but it would be nice to see the following things included:

Longer battery life
4Gb RAM
Faster processor
256Gb SSD
Glass trackpad
Higher res screen
Extra USB

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect most of these features, especially the first 3, considering what other brands have been able to do with their ultra-portables (HP & Sony namely). Here's hoping..
Those would be my optimal updates, although I'd settle for less. Assuming the form stays the same, is there a 256GB SSD on the market in 1.8" size?
 

blairh

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Dec 11, 2007
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I see it currently as two levels.

Level one: Expect a MBA refresh come June. A new iPhone will be announced, makes sense to update the Air at that time too.

Level two: MBA does not get updated in the summer so we all get super pissed/annoyed, and expect an update come this fall. IF nothing happens this fall, then we should all seriously give up hope.

Until we hit level two, I say sit tight and expect something by then at the latest. There will always be a market for an ultra-portable and I believe Apple is smart enough to realize they need to offer us something new in order to compete in that category.
 

mobilevisual

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Jun 12, 2009
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Apple will not update the MBA any time soon, thanks to the Ipad. Yes, both served different target audiences: MBA serves the deep pocket users, while Ipad serves all pockets.

Apple held out on MBA updates to wait for EVERYONE to pick up the IPAD. Update the MBA now will eat in profit of IPAD. If Apple introduces new MBA now, those who buy (new) MBA would not go for IPAD, but those with Ipad today would/might buy MBA when Apple updates it. It's a smart move.

Honestly, I don't think Apple will discontinue the MBA, as it is a creative platform for Apple's dev team. 2 years after introduced, MBA is still the sexiest and most functional ultra portable. Those who bought the MBA don't required blistering performance, and MBA still serves this sector well, even today. C2D-2G DDR3-9400M will please 95% of us with ease (might even be 98%).

Apple will not update MBA till the Ipad craves go away (or dies down). They have no reason to.
 

Huubster

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Mar 1, 2010
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Apple dominates the >$1000 market and IIRC the 13" MBP is their best seller. Do you think it is possible that the reasons you think it is outdated just don't matter in the slightest to the majority of the market?

I think that it is very well possible. And that's making a lot of profit for Apple. And I accepted it up untill now. I was a happy MBA user for 2 years. They are pushing the boundaries though, and they've crossed mine. And others peoples boundaries as well as obviously can be read in the reactions.
 

striatedglutes

macrumors 6502
Feb 22, 2009
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Rome wasn't built in a day.

On a more serious note, is Intel to blame here? What kind of processor makes sense for the next revision? Is the RAM limit because of space or because of an X-bit limited bus somewhere? Obviously they have 4GB chips out there now.

Steve has said it twice now with copy/paste and multitasking: "We weren't the first ones to do it, but we are the best" -- seems like it will apply to the next MBA revision as well.

Well, now doesn't that just suck. They finally convince me to buy a Mac and then kill the only reason I can see to do it. Gotta love it. Thanks for all the advice guys and gals.

I mean, they're not EOL yet
 

MartiNZ

macrumors 65816
Apr 10, 2008
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Rome wasn't built in a day.

On a more serious note, is Intel to blame here? What kind of processor makes sense for the next revision? Is the RAM limit because of space or because of an X-bit limited bus somewhere? Obviously they have 4GB chips out there now.

Steve has said it twice now with copy/paste and multitasking: "We weren't the first ones to do it, but we are the best" -- seems like it will apply to the next MBA revision as well.

That last seems kind of ironic given that the iPhone implementation of copy and paste sucks and all I want is a way to turn it off, like so many a Windows feature. I hope the next MBA doesn't have stuff like that :D.
 

striatedglutes

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Feb 22, 2009
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That last seems kind of ironic given that the iPhone implementation of copy and paste sucks and all I want is a way to turn it off, like so many a Windows feature. I hope the next MBA doesn't have stuff like that :D.

Out of curiosity, why do you think so? I don't have experience with any other implementations of copy and paste on any other handsets, but it works great for what I do with it.
 

Scottsdale

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Even when updated, the MBA isn't going to compete well against the Sony Vaio Z. The Z is a nice computer to migrate to that is the weight of the MBA but you need more power than a MBP. An MBP doesn't even compete with the Sony Vaio Z in my opinion. It's sad really. What I thought was Apple would use the Sony Vaio Z as a vision in its upgrades to the MBPs... oh well. MBPs still stuck with 256 and 512 MB VRAM and still at 4.5 lb. and still has DVD not Blu Ray... and still not a Vaio Z.

The MBA should just focus on making itself usable in today's tech times... 2 GB of RAM is a joke. Everything else is acceptable except the price vs. 10 months ago.
 

seveej

macrumors 6502a
Dec 14, 2009
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Helsinki, Finland
do not expect miracles

Compare it to what the competition has on offer in 13" packages and it looks hopelessly outdated.

My Wife's got the Rev.C 1,86GHz model, and I (the geek) think it would have deserved an SSD, but honestly it's perfect for her needs. Sure everything would run quicker on an SSD/more RAM/higher Ghz, but guys&gals, lets be honest. What can you expect? What should you dare to expect?

Let me explain.

As someone here noted, Apple has a higher profit to revenue share than the rest of the industry, which we might as well dub the Windustry. Also any company, however big the cash reserves are, needs to fulfill market expectations. What this actually means is that for a product to fit into Apple's lineup (which for a company of its size is unusually coherent) it has to either reach at least the uniformly expected profit-to-sales ratio (money makers) or to sufficiently strengthen the entire lineup (supporting products).

In the Windustry, sexing up the specs is one significant method to compete against otherwise comparable competitors. In Apple Garden it's different. The last ten years of Jobs have divided the user field in two (warning: caricature and gross exaggeration and oversimplification follow): Those who use a mac at work and relax at home with a netbook/PS3 and those who use a PC at work and relax at home with their macbooks and minis.

Therefore, there are two types of macusers. Those who will get sufficiently close to state-of-the-art performance, and pay a hefty premium for it and those who'll get slightly outdated, last generation hardware, for a lesser (but still existent) premium. Face it. In every case you'd get the silicon cheaper from anyone else, who's not bundling it with MacOS.

And do not make the mistake of thinking that Apple does not know how to be competitive. It does not want to be competitive if it can be avoided. That's the only way to be super-normally profitable.

For those who buy a mac for personal use either because it does not remind them of work, It looks better, makes them stand out, fit's into the decor - performance is not an issue. They are lured in by the way the product looks, by the promise of no virus/trojan-hassle and most importantly, by the promise of simple beauty. Those who enter seeking design are not prone to exit seeking performance.

IMHO the MB, MBA, MBP, MP and iMac (forget the pads, pods, phones and broaches) all have their cleverly thought-out market segments to which they cater. You want power 24/7, get the MP, You want occasional power (so that compiling your holiday DVD doesn't take ages, or you don't mind paying a premium to make your computer part of your avant-garde decor) get an iMac. If you want mobility, but don't need power, get the MB. If you need that power, get the MBP, and if the most important thing is that it's 700 grams less to carry, get the MBA (If you don't need connectivity and optical, that is).

A typical example of Apple's will to keep it like this is the MacBook (Alu), which was very quickly discontinued and rebranded "Pro" (admittedly with minor alterations), why? If you look back, there often was not so big a performance gap between the iBook(g4) and the PoweBook (G4), naturally the iBook was intentionally crippled, but many cost-conscious people know how to uncripple it. Color was the significant difference. In a mac-world where the size of your virtual penis/breasts is defined by the (easily indentifiable) hardware you carry, color is the key element. The same naturally carried over into the intel era, with the basic macbook (white, yuck), "blackbook" (black) and macbook pro (silver). And so Apple (I still do not REALLY know why) launches a silver MacBook, sturdier, stylier, lighter, with clearly the best performance to date.
As we know it stayed short-lived and some have (with more or less humor involved) taken to calling it the "collector's edition"... Fact remains: The MB(Alu) 2,4 Ghz is still the MB with the highest performance in a MB to date.

Before I go to my final comments (I'm not as bored as you might think), I'd like to point out that one anomaly is the current 13" MBP. I've stated it's ancestry above, and IMNSHO, It does not belong into the MBP line any more than the 12" PB ever did. The MBP 13" is to be seen as the MacBook Deluxe, not really a part of the MBP proper-lineup. If you don't believe me, check the price-hierarchy and tell me I'm wrong.

Back to the MBA:
And this might hurt some feelings and (hopefully) crush some misdirected expectations...

Ultraportability is seen as important in two market segments, one growing, one waning. The growing segment is the Prada lady, the stylish female professional who needs her computer to go everywhere but it has to be light, it may in no case require a carrying bag tagged Targus, and should fit in with the designer apparel. The waning segment is the weight conscious geek who gets extra kudos for showing off that his miniscule computer can do everything the other persons 3 times bigger monster does.

Of these the MBA's intended market segment is ... well I need probably not say.

So I'd not expect the MBA's performance to ever rival that of a MBP, and at best to in some cases hold it's own against the MB. Do not expect Apple to renew the MBA before it is a blemish on the rest of the product line, because anything which has the sales volume of the MBA IS a supporting product. And if this is a tune you don't want to sing to, bug out ASAP, either up the ladder to 13" MBP (which is the 2nd lightest mac) or make the jump to Windows, because this is how it is, and will remain until Apple decides to make all our computers mac's (At which stage they need to rethink their strategy).

Thanks and apologies.
Pekka
 

robeddie

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Jul 21, 2003
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I think that it is very well possible. And that's making a lot of profit for Apple. And I accepted it up untill now. I was a happy MBA user for 2 years. They are pushing the boundaries though, and they've crossed mine. And others peoples boundaries as well as obviously can be read in the reactions.

That's because there's a lot of people here who are babies who are more interested in 'keeping up with the Joneses' than really using their computer.

As has been observed before, these forums are made up of overly tech conscious macheads who have their self worth invested in whether or not their Macbook Air (or MBP, or MB or MP) EXACTLY measures up to a similar PC counterpart.

Step back, think about what you really use your computer for. Most of the time, you're processor is running at 800mhz (energy efficient mode), most of the time, you never come NEAR using 4 gigs of friggin' memory. Most of the time, you just do what we all do: Write some documents, surf the web, email, edit a video or two.

To be so emotional that your little Macbook Air doesn't have the latest and greatest EVERYTHING is retarded.

Bottom line, quit whining like a baby and just don't buy the dang thing. Apple is obviously kicking ass financially. They don't need you. They don't care about you whiny little b-tards.

gnight.
 

theLimit

macrumors 6502a
Jan 30, 2007
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up tha holler, acrost tha crick
In light of the very disappointing update to the 13" Pro, the lack of any info on an update for the Air, and the fact that I have been without a laptop for the past five weeks, I went ahead and bought myself a 2.13GHz Air.

There was no way I could justify Apple's $1800 price tag, but I managed to find one locally for $1300 with six months of warranty remaining. I figure that if a substantial update does eventually happen, I can eBay this one and not take a huge loss. If no update happens, I have a decent enough computer to use for at least the next half year or so. If I need more power down the line, maybe the next Pro update will offer something closer to my needs, if I'm not spoiled by the form factor of the Air by then.

In any case, I got a machine that I can use for the time being, at a more fair price than Apple's non-adjusted price for nearly year-old hardware. I also successfully avoided the iPad fever.
 

striatedglutes

macrumors 6502
Feb 22, 2009
419
1
USA
I enjoyed your post! What do you think about the business traveler demographic and the MBA? Growing or waning?

Looks like you can get an Adamo for $1800 with 2.1GHz C2D, 4GB of ram and a 256GB SSD. Max thickness is 0.11" less. I imagine this is the kind of spec bump we'll see with the next MBA, form factor unchanged.
 

seveej

macrumors 6502a
Dec 14, 2009
827
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Helsinki, Finland
I enjoyed your post! What do you think about the business traveler demographic and the MBA? Growing or waning

The independent (Operating system independent) business traveller chooses his or her computer based primarily on the operating system of choice, secondarily on desired specs.

Given that the MBA is already a few years old, and that every MacOS susceptible ultraportable-lover probably already has an MBA, I'd say that the growth of the percentage of business travelers choosing the MBA is purely dependent upon the IT policies of the large employers (whether they condone MacOS or not).

Pekka
 
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