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Saturn007

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I'll join the choir. Web sites are intermittently freezing under Safari 17 (now 17.2.1) and Monterey (now 12.7.2). I cannot scroll; clicking on links doesn't work. Happens at diverse websites, but also sometimes when searching via Duck, Duck, Go.

Occasionally, refreshing the page from the URL address bar works. Sometimes, opening up a new tab and entering a website there and then, IIRC, returning and refreshing works.

The "solution" is to copy the web address, close that tab, and enter the address in a new tab.

What a nuisance! I am glad to see that others are having the same problem!
 

MikB

macrumors member
Jan 18, 2013
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I'm seeing still this in Safari 17.2.1 on macOS 13.6.3 if, and only if, I search from the address bar and also only with duckduckgo set as search engine in the preferences. Other search engines do not display this issue.

Now, when I tried also google then bing and then changed back to duckduckgo this behaviour stopped. We'll see how long that holds. I've been running Ecosia for a while.

***Yeah, it's back already after a few hours ***
 
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halledise

macrumors 68020
I can confirm issues with Safari 17.1 on Monterey 12.7.1.
DuckDuckGo intermittently freezes and stops responding to scrolling.
no issues here at all and i use d.d.go as my safari search vehicle …
(functions perfectly whether VPN is on or off)
 

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AndreasT

macrumors newbie
May 26, 2018
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so will the duck 🤓
It seems it will import passwords but unfortunately it does not sync with the Keychain during use so it's useless if one uses the Keychain across devices as most Mac users do. Same problem with Chrome and it is the only reason I have to use Safari. One could use an external password manager but I've yet to find one that can seemlessly replace the Keychain in the whole ecosystem.
 

halledise

macrumors 68020
It seems it will import passwords but unfortunately it does not sync with the Keychain during use so it's useless if one uses the Keychain across devices as most Mac users do. Same problem with Chrome and it is the only reason I have to use Safari. One could use an external password manager but I've yet to find one that can seemlessly replace the Keychain in the whole ecosystem.
aah yes. i see the problem.
sorry about that ;(
 

Engender

macrumors member
Oct 6, 2007
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Okay, here are the Safari-related faults that popped up in console approximately when Safari crashed.
[B]fault 17:59:03.830679-0500 com.apple.WebKit.WebContent Exiting: Received XPC event type: XPC_ERROR_CONNECTION_INVALID[/B] fault 17:59:05.419161-0500 triald No factors for namespace <private> found at path: <private> fault 17:59:05.643346-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.680917-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.681706-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.683937-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.687172-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.692564-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.705414-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:06.046540-0500 triald No factors for namespace <private> found at path: <private> fault 17:59:35.679527-0500 suggestd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7f8052d542d0> (Domain: com.apple.lookup.shared, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:49.565073-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:49.565501-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:50.227253-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.227344-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.227413-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466392-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466471-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466542-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632469-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632560-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632630-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:51.559051-0500 Safari WebContent process (0x1130040c0) took 1.843766 seconds to launch fault 18:03:51.562026-0500 Safari Networking process (0x1130bc580) took 1.794950 seconds to launch fault 18:03:51.990273-0500 SafariCloudHistoryPushAgent Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fd343c08790> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:51.991034-0500 SafariCloudHistoryPushAgent Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fd343c08790> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:52.083887-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:52.084372-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.007703-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.009459-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.547450-0500 com.apple.Safari.History Couldn't write values for keys ( CloudKitAccountInfoCache ) in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fe39cf05c10> (Domain: com.apple.Safari.History, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: No): setting these preferences requires user-preference-write or file-write-data sandbox access
 

halledise

macrumors 68020
Okay, here are the Safari-related faults that popped up in console approximately when Safari crashed.
[B]fault 17:59:03.830679-0500 com.apple.WebKit.WebContent Exiting: Received XPC event type: XPC_ERROR_CONNECTION_INVALID[/B] fault 17:59:05.419161-0500 triald No factors for namespace <private> found at path: <private> fault 17:59:05.643346-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.680917-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.681706-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.683937-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.687172-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.692564-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:05.705414-0500 webinspectord New Extension Point `<private>` targeting depricated NSExtension infrastructure! fault 17:59:06.046540-0500 triald No factors for namespace <private> found at path: <private> fault 17:59:35.679527-0500 suggestd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7f8052d542d0> (Domain: com.apple.lookup.shared, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:49.565073-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:49.565501-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:50.227253-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.227344-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.227413-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466392-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466471-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.466542-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632469-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632560-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:50.632630-0500 Safari NSToolbarItem.minSize and NSToolbarItem.maxSize methods are deprecated. Usage may result in clipping of items. It is recommended to let the system measure the item automatically using constraints. fault 18:03:51.559051-0500 Safari WebContent process (0x1130040c0) took 1.843766 seconds to launch fault 18:03:51.562026-0500 Safari Networking process (0x1130bc580) took 1.794950 seconds to launch fault 18:03:51.990273-0500 SafariCloudHistoryPushAgent Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fd343c08790> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:51.991034-0500 SafariCloudHistoryPushAgent Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fd343c08790> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:52.083887-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:52.084372-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.007703-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2084a0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesAnyUser, ByHost: Yes, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.009459-0500 contentlinkingd Couldn't read values in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fdd6b2081d0> (Domain: kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: Yes): accessing these preferences requires user-preference-read or file-read-data sandbox access fault 18:03:54.547450-0500 com.apple.Safari.History Couldn't write values for keys ( CloudKitAccountInfoCache ) in CFPrefsPlistSource<0x7fe39cf05c10> (Domain: com.apple.Safari.History, User: kCFPreferencesCurrentUser, ByHost: No, Container: (null), Contents Need Refresh: No): setting these preferences requires user-preference-write or file-write-data sandbox access
hmmm. that don’t look good at all 🤨.
unsurprisingly, Apple never seem to respond directly to these crash reports automatically sent to them - which is a shame, in my opinion.
i should add that i did an erase and fresh install of monterey - as my M2 Air came with it pre-installed - then allowed s/w update to update safari.
then added in all my files, favourite apps, etc.
it’s functioned flawlessly since then.
a radical remedy, but it worked for me.
 

Engender

macrumors member
Oct 6, 2007
93
8
What doesn't look good about it? I can't really parse it at all. My only guess is that Safari appeared to be making calls to a second CPU, and I only have one six-core.

I just rolled the dice and installed Ventura. That's proved to be maybe not such a great bet after a couple of days ...
 

halledise

macrumors 68020
What doesn't look good about it? I can't really parse it at all. My only guess is that Safari appeared to be making calls to a second CPU, and I only have one six-core.

I just rolled the dice and installed Ventura. That's proved to be maybe not such a great bet after a couple of days ...
despite my previous plumping for monterey, i just did the same.
loving ventura 🤠
 

Engender

macrumors member
Oct 6, 2007
93
8
After some initial instability, Ventura has been stable all week. Also, I turned off "hide IP address" in Safari—that may have contributed to the Safari being more stable.
 

Engender

macrumors member
Oct 6, 2007
93
8
Random update, but Safari and Ventura 13.6.3 have both been stable for me for another week! Yay cMP!!!
 

svintuss

macrumors newbie
Mar 24, 2021
9
16
Writing to update. Safari 17.3 still has freezing issue on Monterey 12.7.3.
E. g. DuckDuckGo stops updating screen content while Safari window is active. If focus is shifted to another app and back Safari updates scroll position and shows symbols entered into DDG search field.
 

MikB

macrumors member
Jan 18, 2013
63
15
Just tried Safari 17.3.1 in macOS 13.6.4 after the update and changed do duckduckgo as search engine and entered terms in the location bar. Scrolling works as expected. Finally!
Nope, just one restart later and no scrolling with duckduckgo is back!!!
 
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