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Safari sucks...
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i had to check & see if i wrote that post...
same thing (and also 2009 MBP)...
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I'm a bit confused here. Are you arguing about the quality of the extensions offered for Safari against the quality of the same extensions offered for Chrome, or is the debate about the quantity of extensions available for Safari and Chrome.
I'm reading mixed signals here.
Haha it was my understanding that extensions written for chrome are able to access more API's than for Safari. For example, Adblock in chrome can block ads in YouTube videos, but not safari.
Can you cite some other examples where a particular extension (non-ad blocking ones) for Safari is missing features found in the same extension for Chrome?
I'm actually curious to know if developers are doing this often.
I've never used this extension but it provides a firm of example of what I was saying straight from the extension developer's mouth. http://help.ex.fm/discussions/suggestions/356-is-exfm-extension-not-working-anymore-in-safari-6-108
Here's another: http://www.macworld.com/article/2025387/mac-gems-vimari-brings-more-keyboard-control-to-safari.html
When I reset Safari and turn off all extensions, it does seem a bit faster, but it will slow down and occasionally crash when I have many tabs open regardless. I can't operate for long periods with all the extensions turned off as I find ads very distracting/annoying and have to have Adblock turned on.
I have a base 15 inch rMBP with 8 GB of RAM. Should be enough for browser-related tasks.
Looks interesting. Will try it. Thanks!
Instead of all those tabs you may find it better using the 'reading list' that way the sites are downloaded to view later instead of having 100 tabs open using up all your memory and causing crashes. You cant possibly use 100 tabs at once so placing items in the reading list to read later would be best all round in my opinion. Give it a go and see how you get on. Another benefit of the reading list is you get a tiny snippet of info with it to help you identify it instead of tab after tab of one or two word page titles to pick from.
I use Safari, Firefox is simply not up to par and although Chrome is fast its UI is very poor.
As an aside you seem to keep tabs open that you yourself say are irrelevant. Maybe close a few of em down.
I've never really explored the reading list option. Will try it!
I am usually logged into multiple journal databases at once looking into different articles.
My only extensions on both Safari and Firefox are Adblock and Ghostery. Some have suggested that the issue is with Safari Adblock, but even when all extensions are turned off, Safari will usually show the spinning beach ball when you get to around 100 tabs and occasionally crash. Maybe it has something to do with Flash; I'll try uninstalling that and see how Safari works.
I do have a script that launches Safari in Private Browsing mode, but Private Browsing is not ideal as I often need to access my history within each browsing session and sometimes Private Browsing makes some sites inaccessible.
Dude, just use EndNote. Should be provided by your institution for free. It lets you organize PDF articles and add journal databases for searching articles. Ive never heard of the program Papers, but isn't EndNote the gold standard?
This is awesome!!! I was just about to fork out $80 for Papers when I read this. My university's library offers free Endnote downloads and I just got it. Thanks a lot! This should solve everything.
EndNote is the gold standard for citation management, not PDF or papers management. With Papers you can browse journal databases directly from within the program, you can rate articles and organize them, you can make notes and annotations. The program tracks which articles you've read and viewed, so that you can know what you've already gone over when going through a journal's search results. It can also automatically find article citation information, if the PDF that you have doesn't have that information already filled out.
As of version 2.0 Papers has included its own citation management, but it also supports EndNote formatting. You can export your Papers library to an EndNote file, import it into EndNote, and then simply create the EndNote code from within Papers. Paste it into a word processor that has an EndNote plugin and EndNote will automatically handle the formatting. This was how I handled writing papers. It's worth noting that Papers' own citation manager does not require a plugin, and it can theoretically work with any text editor. It's a very intriguing feature, but since it was released when I was already on my way out I never got to give it a full test run. (FWIW, I find working with EndNote to be pretty clunky and what Papers promised would have been very welcome.)
EndNote definitely does manage PDF files and allows you to add institutional library catalogs and journal databases for searching and downloading within the EndNote application itself. It also tracks which articles you've read, categorizes your articles (journal articles, newspaper articles, patents, thesis, etc.), annotates the PDF's, attaches PDF's to a citation, etc. Because it attaches the PDF to the citation and organizes it within your EndNote library, it allows you to open PDF's with another program if you want and any annotations made in that outside program (and saved) is included in EndNote. Granted, many of these features may be new compared to when you used EndNote (especially on the Mac). In any case, I welcome the program Papers as a little competition may help to drive down the ridiculous cost of these programs (although luckily we usually get them for free from our institution).
To be honest I agree that Safari shouldn't be crashing with 200 tabs open even. It just should get slower. Before Webkit 2, Safari could easily handle 120+tabs but Webkit2 just crashes or stops responding with too many tabs. It's annoying.
I think it's because it uses core animation now and it caches all websites into the GPU memory, and eventually it fills up. Like a game tying to load too many textures.
I think it's because it uses core animation now and it caches all websites into the GPU memory, and eventually it fills up. Like a game tying to load too many textures.
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Very interesting, thanks for letting me know and providing the images. The last version of EndNote that I used was X2 (old stuff). To be honest, even if the PDF management capabilities were there with that version I would have missed it, because I was already using Papers (version 1) before I installed EndNote. I upgraded to Papers version 2 a year ago but it was only for a light project and I never got to delve into the newer features; I wonder how Papers and EndNote compare now? Papers wins out on price, but if you get EndNote through your institution (as I did) then it doesn't really matter (and Papers is actually more expensive - you can't compete with free).
Jeez Louise, and I thought I was a tab-whore. That's a pretty rugged test. And yes, Safari does have issues when you get tab-happy. It's better in that respect than it used to be but still a bit fragile in that usage.
Having said that, it's still my favored browser for the simple reason of Reader Mode and its ability (on the Mac) to fling the re-rendered contents of a web page to an email. Such a time-saver.
Not super smart techno geniuses...only dopes like me.
But what do I know. I just use this browser, which obviously sucks because OP says it does, because it works for me, is stable (for me), and does everything I want from a browser.
So, you are right in your question...only fools use Safari...
Ah, the old famous it was just a joke. I'm sure. Offended, more sarcasm? if you think I'm offended with that, afraid not.
First of all I just want to know why the ******* do people need to open up 100 tabs? How the hell can you be efficient doing this?
Anyway
When I switched to Mac I thought I would never use Safari bc it was supposed to be like the IE equivalent and being a Chrome user on Windows I figured I would be on OS X. After using both browsers extensively, there's just no competition. Safari destroys Chrome. It's faster, drains the battery less for me and doesn't heat up as quickly when watching HD videos, has better integration with OS X and just flat out looks better instead of having Chrome's own ugly interface.
Firefox is the worst of all of them to me though
How the hell can you be efficient doing this?Anyway
When I switched to Mac I thought I would never use Safari bc it was supposed to be like the IE equivalent and being a Chrome user on Windows I figured I would be on OS X. After using both browsers extensively, there's just no competition. Safari destroys Chrome. It's faster, drains the battery less for me and doesn't heat up as quickly when watching HD videos, has better integration with OS X and just flat out looks better instead of having Chrome's own ugly interface.
Firefox is the worst of all of them to me though
You don't think I was joking? Do you think I am claiming that literally no one uses Safari? I really was just kidding around, not sure why it rubbed you the wrong way.
Never the less, I'm glad that I didn't offend you then. Sorry to give cause for sarcasm?
I've noticed that Safari is a lot better about activating the discrete graphics card only when absolutely necessary and then about switching back to the integrated card than Chrome. Chrome has made progress in this area but there will still be times when I close a tab that had activated the discrete card and Chrome still sticks to it, requiring me to quit Chrome to get back to the integrated graphics. That could explain your battery life and heat observations.
I prefer the way that Chrome handles tabs, though. Having a defined size that doesn't grow to take up the entire bar when only a few tabs are open is nicer than Safari's, and having the tab close button slide to your mouse when closing tabs is also a very nice feature. Splitting off and merging tabs between windows is also a nice feature.