Samsung announced the Galaxy Round with curved screen

[jrswizzle]

Whatever. You've made way too many assumptions and taken too many things too literally. I couldn't respond to all of them.

I think Samsung focuses too much on coming up with the next "FIRST" instead of making the best smartphone they can make. My evidence is a vast number of variants that all compromise in areas where others excel. Also the fact that TouchWiz hasn't changed much and is still a crap-fest.

I think Samsung can do better, so I call them out. Jesus, it's hilarious that you are all over me about this. Aren't you the one who is going to save Apple with all of your criticism?

I'm done. Thanks for playing.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I think Samsung focuses too much on coming up with the next "FIRST" instead of making the best smartphone they can make. My evidence is a vast number of variants that all compromise in areas where others excel. Also the fact that TouchWiz hasn't changed much and is still a crap-fest.

I think Samsung can do better, so I call them out. Jesus, it's hilarious that you are all over me about this. Aren't you the one who is going to save Apple with all of your criticism?

I'm done.

Jr, no one is stopping you from criticizing Samsung for whatever it is you want to criticize. Like I said in the first post I made to you, "let's talk specifics" cause I'm trying to understand you.

The evidence you refer to above is not evidence -- it's the thing I'm asking you to provide evidence for. Where is the link/evidence that says Samsung's products suffer because of their variety of devices? That is the question. It's pure conjecture to simply say, "well, because each one has specific lackings." The iPhone lacks many things -- does that mean the "focused" business model is the reason why the iPhone is lacking what it's lacking?

And furthermore, why are you criticizing Samsung for not putting everything they can do into one device without fully comprehending what compromises there could be? Again, that'd be great one day, but how are you so sure they can or how are you so sure it'll be successful? And why, in the mean time, isn't it a good thing that they're at least helping those niche markets out by still releasing variants that address their needs?

Of course Samsung could do better -- everyone can. But there is no evidence that they're not doing better because of their increasingly diverse lineup, and in particular, this curved device. I'm asking for the evidence cause if you are right, it'll be very interesting to see.

 

[cube]

http://gizmodo.com/5963215/watch-samsung-stress-test-its-phones-with-a-jorts+wearing-robot-ass

 

[jrswizzle]

http://gizmodo.com/5963215/watch-samsung-stress-test-its-phones-with-a-jorts+wearing-robot-ass

Good news for all the never-nudes out there! Guess Samsung really wants to cater to that demographic.

 

[MRU]

If your going to mass debate together could both Couch & JR get a room

 

[onthecouchagain]

If this leads to future devices with unbreakable screens, then this device would have done its service and Samsung would have done its part to improve the industry.

Hardly scientific, hardly a be all and end all of the future of flexible displays, but here...

The people have spoken: flexible screens are here to stay... probably: http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...-screens-are-here-to-stay...-probably_id48196

Much like Samsung's S4 or Note III video demos, what phone or demo looks like this new phone? I didn't get the S4, I didn't get the Note III, and I'm not getting this curved phone, but I can respect that it's serving the industry to continue to push new things.

 

[asleep]

I can see gold 64G iPhone 5Ss being returned for refunds as those low self-esteem smartphoners clamber over each other to spend $1000 on their latest/greatest ego-phones.

 

[Digital Skunk]

The point I was making is that both LG & Samsung, both South Korean, both launching similar variations of handsets right at the same time - both in very limited quantities, expensively priced out of the range of most consumers and in only what appears to be one territory.

That to me sounds like they are releasing a product because they can, because it is good PR / Marketing rather than serving a consumer 'demand'.

So stop twisting what I was saying as a bash, it's not. It's merely an observation. end of....

Take it easy, I'm not twisting anything, your perspective is what's the problem.

If you think that's "releasing a product because they can," then I am sorry for you. Companies have been doing that for decades with every product you could imagine.

But since it's not a company you support it's just a simple tactic of, getting it to market first because we can? We aren't talking the S-Watch or whatever here, that I can understand, because there were whispers, and murmurs of this company coming out with one and so forth. Not to mention that the entire concept of a smartwatch has already been tried numerous times with lukewarm results.

But here we have Samsung developing a phone that I am sure a good deal of people have thought on, worked on, designed, and will now have to market and ship, and offer tech support to, etc. etc. for a market that traditionally has wide ranging desires when it comes to electronics (unlike most of the western world), and they are just doing it because they can . . . . because some forum junkies say so?

That's the part that I find hard to stomach. It's almost as bad as as saying Elon Musk started a company to build a niche car and price it so high and release it in a limited number just because he could, just so he could say that he was first to do it.

Jr, no one is stopping you from criticizing Samsung for whatever it is you want to criticize. Like I said in the first post I made to you, "let's talk specifics" cause I'm trying to understand you.

The evidence you refer to above is not evidence -- it's the thing I'm asking you to provide evidence for. Where is the link/evidence that says Samsung's products suffer because of their variety of devices? That is the question. It's pure conjecture to simply say, "well, because each one has specific lackings." The iPhone lacks many things -- does that mean the "focused" business model is the reason why the iPhone is lacking what it's lacking?

And furthermore, why are you criticizing Samsung for not putting everything they can do into one device without fully comprehending what compromises there could be? Again, that'd be great one day, but how are you so sure they can or how are you so sure it'll be successful? And why, in the mean time, isn't it a good thing that they're at least helping those niche markets out by still releasing variants that address their needs?

Of course Samsung could do better -- everyone can. But there is no evidence that they're not doing better because of their increasingly diverse lineup, and in particular, this curved device. I'm asking for the evidence cause if you are right, it'll be very interesting to see.

Simply put Couch, JR and others understand the need for every company to at the very least be exactly like Apple, in which case they'd be relegated to copy cats. Or be like Apple to a point, then try to do something slightly different, then be relegated to copy cats that fail at copying.

Doing something different, and breaking away from the norm . . . things Apple used to do . . . is looked down here. Stick with the status quo, and NEVER think out of the box. NEVER serve a market that has justifiable needs, and never . . . . ever do something that scoffs at the Apple model.


* side note *

Seriously, some of you guys may think I am joking, but that's just how you sound.

 

[MRU]

Take it easy, I'm not twisting anything, your perspective is what's the problem.

If you think that's "releasing a product because they can," then I am sorry for you. Companies have been doing that for decades with every product you could imagine.

But since it's not a company you support it's just a simple tactic of, getting it to market first because we can? .

^^^ Since when is it not a company I support when I had both the S4 and am now using a Note 3?

Its your perspective that is twisted, turning everyone's opinions into some form of attack when they are merely observations.

 

[Digital Skunk]

^^^ Since when is it not a company I support when I had both the S4 and am now using a Note 3?

Its your perspective that is twisted, turning everyone's opinions into some form of attack when they are merely observations.

But what you say makes no sense.

Having products is moot, when you're wrong you're wrong. I have many Apple products, but wouldn't praise Apple or put them down without some kind of factual information. Or at the very least make sure I let the reader know that it's just my opinion of something.

At the end of the day it's all conjecture anyway.

 

[MRU]

But what you say makes no sense.

Having products is moot, when you're wrong you're wrong. I have many Apple products, but wouldn't praise Apple or put them down without some kind of factual information. Or at the very least make sure I let the reader know that it's just my opinion of something.

What on earth has this ramble got to do with anything I have posted here ???

 

[Digital Skunk]

What on earth has this ramble got to do with anything I have posted here ???

Again, you need to relax. You said in your own comment that Samsung isn't serving a genuine consumer need.

Do you have proof of that?

If not then don't try to escalate the situation when someone calls you out.

 

[MRU]

Again, you need to relax. You said in your own comment that Samsung isn't serving a genuine consumer need.

Do you have proof of that?

If not then don't try to escalate the situation when someone calls you out.

And I gave my reasoning. The fact that it is beyond the cost for mass consumer adoption price wise and the fact it is launching in limited quantities in Korea only. That hardly sounds like some huge global or even domestic consumer demand does it?

Seriously you haven't called anyone out unless you provide contrary evidence to your assertion that invalidates another's opinion. Until then, you chill....

I've done with this discussion with you - your clearly getting kicks and I don't want to provide you with any more....

 

[Digital Skunk]

And I gave my reasoning. The fact that it is beyond the cost for mass consumer adoption price wise and the fact it is launching in limited quantities in Korea only. That hardly sounds like some huge global or even domestic consumer demand does it?

Seriously you haven't called anyone out unless you provide contrary evidence to your assertion that invalidates another's opinion. Until then, you chill....

I've done with this discussion with you - your clearly getting kicks and I don't want to provide you with any more....

You moved the goal post, and there is still no proof. Again, this is conjecture, which is totally fine bro.

Also, I don't have to be the bearer of proof, you're the one that brought the statement . . . with not proof attached.

As Post #76 on this page also shows, it's a very common thing around here to make claims, uphold them as something solid, and when called upon for proof, simply move the goal post or escalate.

 

[Peterg2]

The point I was making is that both LG & Samsung, both South Korean, both launching similar variations of handsets right at the same time - both in very limited quantities, expensively priced out of the range of most consumers and in only what appears to be one territory.

That to me sounds like they are releasing a product because they can, because it is good PR / Marketing rather than serving a consumer 'demand'.

So stop twisting what I was saying as a bash, it's not. It's merely an observation. end of....

Precisely, and Samsung and LG did exactly the same thing with their curved OLED TVs which in a 55" size has little benefit at all. CNET discussed this (re the curved TV screen) and summarized as follows:

Look, the fact that a "flat"-screen TV can be curved at all is pretty amazing. But since OLED is barely off the ground (arguably, not off the ground at all), it's disappointing to see finite resources going into something of little value beyond "hey, neato" which, also arguably, OLED inherently has already.


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57589082-221/curved-oled-hdtv-screens-are-a-bad-idea-for-now/

 

[onthecouchagain]

Simply put Couch, JR and others understand the need for every company to at the very least be exactly like Apple, in which case they'd be relegated to copy cats. Or be like Apple to a point, then try to do something slightly different, then be relegated to copy cats that fail at copying.

Doing something different, and breaking away from the norm . . . things Apple used to do . . . is looked down here. Stick with the status quo, and NEVER think out of the box. NEVER serve a market that has justifiable needs, and never . . . . ever do something that scoffs at the Apple model.


* side note *

Seriously, some of you guys may think I am joking, but that's just how you sound.

Yep. The worst part was this:

Apple also doesn't currently have a waterproof phone on the market. So there's not compromises because the option doesn't exist.

Somehow, Apple is excused for not living up to the same demand that he wants out of Samsung because Apple is doing less. It's such backwards thinking that it's ridiculous. We shouldn't expect more from Apple because they're doing less -- well duh. That's the issue!

Whereas, the company that is actually doing more (and more quickly) is actually being criticized for trying to address different niches and markets and needs (maybe even creating new ones, ala the Note series), and being criticized specifically because they didn't put all of those ideas into one single super device. Then also somehow linking that business model to the shortcomings (Jrz keeps bringing up TouchWiz, for example) that Samsung may or may not have without any evidence -- just a gut feeling. Again, this would be fascinating to see if there was evidence of it, something that I've asked repeatedly from him.

What's even nuttier is there clearly is a demand for a larger than 4" iPhone. So, if anyone wants to talk actual market demands, let's talk market demands; where is the greater-than-4" iPhone that so many people have expressed time and time again (increasingly, of late) that they want?

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Regarding MRU's point... It's interesting to consider.

I can actually believe Samsung putting out a device just because they can. We don't know if there is or isn't a demand yet for curved displays -- I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't.

However, I find nothing wrong with this. It's a tactic that I get especially in the field of technology where advancements are made at blazing speeds. That's why companies like Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. all display the tech they're working on at trade shows. This isn't a tactic that is brand new, many companies do publicity stunts, marketing stunts, etc. to draw attention, get people talking, and yes, even to "one-up" their competitors, to show them that, hey, LG, all that hype about your curved displays? Well, look... we just actually produced one and it's going to market.

"Going to market" is a big deal. It's a statement. And there's nothing wrong, per se, with doing this.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if Samsung can flex their muscle, if they have the resources to do it, why not? What harm comes of this? It's not even for our market (anyone here actually from Korea?). I think you agree there is little harm so these questions may be rhetorical to simply support my point.

 

[matttye]

Samsung: king of pointless features.

You know I've never thought 'I wish I could press down on the edge of my phone to roll it so I can see the time.'

 

[MRU]

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[/COLOR]Regarding MRU's point... It's interesting to consider.

I can actually believe Samsung putting out a device just because they can. We don't know if there is or isn't a demand yet for curved displays -- I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't.

However, I find nothing wrong with this. It's a tactic that I get especially in the field of technology where advancements are made at blazing speeds. That's why companies like Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. all display the tech they're working on at trade shows. This isn't a tactic that is brand new, many companies do publicity stunts, marketing stunts, etc. to draw attention, get people talking, and yes, even to "one-up" their competitors, to show them that, hey, LG, all that hype about your curved displays? Well, look... we just actually produced one and it's going to market.

"Going to market" is a big deal. It's a statement. And there's nothing wrong, per se, with doing this.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if Samsung can flex their muscle, if they have the resources to do it, why not? What harm comes of this? It's not even for our market (anyone here actually from Korea?). I think you agree there is little harm so these questions may be rhetorical to simply support my point.

Exactly my point.

 

[Eth123]

Why doesn't Samsung focus on making their high end devices actually high end i.e stop using cheap plastic and hiring designers who aren't deliberately mandated to design the ugliest phone on the market.

I seriously do not know how people buy so many Samsung phones.

This curve phone is completely pointless. Unless the curve improves viewing the screen as is keeps the eye distance equi distant then it is a complete joke and quite frankly embarrassing. Samsung haven't even confirmed any benefits provided by the curved screen which is likely to mean there isn't any.

Samsung fix touchwiz, use premium materials and actually design your handset.

To the rest of you buying Samsung phones, open your bleeding eyes.

 

[7thson]

Galaxy Round seems like such a ham fisted name. They could have marketed it to soccer/futball players by calling it the Galaxy Shin Guard. Or the Galaxy Brace, for whiplash victims. The Galaxy Roller. Well it actually only rocks, or wobbles, when concave side up, but it's not round either! The Galaxy Trowel, but it's missing a handle, which you can buy, as an accessory of course. It just seems like they rushed it.

 

[ChrisTX]

If one likes it, buy it, if one doesn't like it, don't buy it, no harm done.

But if someone doesn't like it, they believe no one else should like it either. And they can't understand why anyone would like, or want to buy it.

 

[kdarling]

You know I've never thought 'I wish I could press down on the edge of my phone to roll it so I can see the time.'

That's because you never had a phone you could roll before

Why doesn't Samsung focus on making their high end devices actually high end i.e stop using cheap plastic and hiring designers who aren't deliberately mandated to design the ugliest phone on the market.

I wouldn't put it in such a overly drama filled way, but I agree that they're not stunningly beautiful. (Personally, I always cover each phone in a case, so it doesn't matter.)

At the same time, it's amusing that materials such as aluminum are seen as "high end".

This curve phone is completely pointless.

Read back a little. People have pointed out multiple points to using a curve.

Galaxy Round seems like such a ham fisted name. They could have marketed it to soccer/futball players by calling it the Galaxy Shin Guard. Or the Galaxy Brace, for whiplash victims. The Galaxy Roller...

Ah, you mock it now, but you're going to be sorry when you're stuck out of gas in the desert, and can't find a way to use your spare can of fuel. THEN you'll wish you had the curved Samsung Funnel!

 

[matttye]

That's because you never had a phone you could roll before

A rigid curved screen seems pointless to me. I thought the entire benefit of curved OLED screens would be that the entire device could be shaped and moulded to your liking.

This just doesn't seem to have a decent purpose.

 

[kdarling]

A rigid curved screen seems pointless to me. I thought the entire benefit of curved OLED screens would be that the entire device could be shaped and moulded to your liking.

Please see my post in another thread on the topic of Curved vs Flexible.

This just doesn't seem to have a decent purpose.

Fits the hand better. Fits some pockets better. Fits the thumb arc better. Protects the screen glass better if dropped.

I agree it's neither earth-shattering nor must-have. But it's not useless either.

It's also a start. It's a technology demo, sort of like when Samsung did an all-LiquidMetal chassis phone.

Or if even that's not enough reason for you, just consider it a "hobby". That was excuse enough for Jobs. Not every product has to be a huge hit.

 

[matttye]

Please see my post in another thread on the topic of Curved vs Flexible.



Fits the hand better. Fits some pockets better. Fits the thumb arc better. Protects the screen glass better if dropped.

I agree it's neither earth-shattering nor must-have. But it's not useless either.

It's also a start. It's a technology demo, sort of like when Samsung did an all-LiquidMetal chassis phone.

Or if even that's not enough reason for you, just consider it a "hobby". That was excuse enough for Jobs. Not every product has to be a huge hit.

"Fits the hand better" is more to do with a curved back than a curved display.

I can't see how this could fit some pockets better or "fit the thumb arc better," (and if it does, it will be barely noticeable) but you have a point about it protecting the screen.

Hey look I'm all for companies trying out new things. I loved smart stay and thought it was a really intuitive and useful feature. I find myself constantly annoyed on my iPhone and iPad when reading websites or books, and the screen constantly times out.

I just don't see the benefit of this particular test. I can see the benefits of flexible but not rigid curved devices.

With a flexible device: -

- it will fit the pocket better.
- you could hang it off things or even curve the bottom to make a stand.
- you could wrap it around things.
- it will be practically damage proof. You could fling it at a wall and it should be okay.
- you could have a device with a customisable screen size, and you just fold it out to whatever size suits for a given purpose.