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Samsung: Apple's iPhone Started as Sony Ripoff
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That design was made by Apple. Sony never had any such product.
That design appears with two internal code names. Jony and Sony.
According to the article, it was designed by Apple based on some text that was written by Sony. It isn't clear that Sony had ever even built a prototype and these pictures were created by Apple. You can never be sure what will happen in court since almost all judges are technologically illiterate but I don't think this is going to get Samsung anywhere unless they can prove Sony actually designed something like this, Apple saw it, then stole it. Of course if they proved that, Sony could always sue Samsung for stealing from them 
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I guess "sony inspired" means sony ripoff
The instructions to that designer were come up with something that has a sony design feel to it.
Pretty damning article. It's sad that people can still come in here and defend Apple no matter what comes to light or how ruthless they seem to be. It's OK when Apple steels it, but let anyone else even try to get in the same field and they're scum of the earth.
All I can say to these blind patriot shills is welcome to my ignore list.
All I can say to these blind patriot shills is welcome to my ignore list.
Only if reading comprehension is a problem for the reader, because what I read states clearly that the design shown was made by Apple as a what if, and was not derived from any existing Sony product or Sony Prototype.
Except you forget to mention that you are comparing the main screen of the iphone to the app drawer of the samsung galaxy s1. You also forget to mention that the app drawer did not require users to view icons in a grid or could be replaced entirely with something different.
Anyways - Back to the topic of the thread, the hardware of the F700 is nearly identical looking to my S1. This is probably why Apple tried to use it as evidence. before realizing it existed before the Iphone.
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"Samsung believes the design was not directly stolen from Sony. Rather, "in February 2006, before the claimed iPhone design was conceived, Apple executive Tony Fadell circulated a news article to Steve Jobs, Jonathan Ive and others. In the article, a Sony designer discussed Sony designs for portable electronic devices that lacked buttons and other 'excessive ornamentation,' fit in the hand, were square with a screen and had 'corners [which] have been rounded out.'"
According to Samsung, Apple then assigned Shin Nishibori -- a Japanese industrial designer who worked for Apple since 2002 -- to mock up what that text description might look like."
So an artists rendering based on a text description is somehow damning evidence of stealing a design?
There is nothing in any of the descriptions that mention any renderings of the sony device that was supposedly ripped off.
Is it really that serious
Your about to have a stroke over companies that never put a dime in your pocket.
Well no Sony drew the design. It some how appeared on apples servers. If I recall the article correctly. At least that's what I read.
The point of the article is everyone steals from everyone. For Apple to sue because someone stole from them is hypocritical of Apple.
I mean watch Steve Jobs interview where he says great artist steal and that he's proud of it. That saying alone should be concerning if Steve is saying it's ok for him to steal but not for people to steal from him. It's a little crazy.
I'm no phanboy and i'm not an iSheep either but you need to step back a step to see the whole picture. Forget company allegiances/nationalism and just realize what's going on.
The point of the article is everyone steals from everyone. For Apple to sue because someone stole from them is hypocritical of Apple.
I mean watch Steve Jobs interview where he says great artist steal and that he's proud of it. That saying alone should be concerning if Steve is saying it's ok for him to steal but not for people to steal from him. It's a little crazy.
I'm no phanboy and i'm not an iSheep either but you need to step back a step to see the whole picture. Forget company allegiances/nationalism and just realize what's going on.
According to the article, it was designed by Apple based on some text that was written by Sony. It isn't clear that Sony had ever even built a prototype and these pictures were created by Apple. You can never be sure what will happen in court since almost all judges are technologically illiterate but I don't think this is going to get Samsung anywhere unless they can prove Sony actually designed something like this, Apple saw it, then stole it. Of course if they proved that, Sony could always sue Samsung for stealing from them
You do have valid points, but you do understand that the examples to sow your narrative are half elaborated and in some cases decades apart right?
Context is key.
My understanding is those "sony iphone" drawings are from 2006 before the iPhone?
And when they say "the design" what the design are they referring to? Samsung's design or?
What I read there is basically a sony designer is discussing an idea before Apple ever released their product. Pointing out that Apple did not invent the iPhone look.
That's the point of the entire article.
And when they say "the design" what the design are they referring to? Samsung's design or?
What I read there is basically a sony designer is discussing an idea before Apple ever released their product. Pointing out that Apple did not invent the iPhone look.
That's the point of the entire article.
"Samsung believes the design was not directly stolen from Sony. Rather, "in February 2006, before the claimed iPhone design was conceived, Apple executive Tony Fadell circulated a news article to Steve Jobs, Jonathan Ive and others. In the article, a Sony designer discussed Sony designs for portable electronic devices that lacked buttons and other 'excessive ornamentation,' fit in the hand, were square with a screen and had 'corners [which] have been rounded out.'"
According to Samsung, Apple then assigned Shin Nishibori -- a Japanese industrial designer who worked for Apple since 2002 -- to mock up what that text description might look like."
So an artists rendering based on a text description is somehow damning evidence of stealing a design?
There is nothing in any of the descriptions that mention any renderings of the sony device that was supposedly ripped off.
1. Wrong. Read it again, and pay attention this time.
2. And do you even know where that quote comes from, or did you just read it on the internet somewhere.
The context was Apple "stole" the idea for fonts from books and typesetting and put it in a Mac, and Microsoft "copied" the idea for fonts from Apple and put it in Windows.
I'm not sure if you're getting the context then.
The point of the Article is Apple's iPhone isn't their original idea. The idea belonged to a sony designer. It would invalidate Apple's iPhone patent making samsung phones legit.
The point of the Article is Apple's iPhone isn't their original idea. The idea belonged to a sony designer. It would invalidate Apple's iPhone patent making samsung phones legit.
Ok well you're clearly getting emotional and I don't deal with fanboys. It's not a bad thing just you have a biased perception. It doesn't matter what I say you will always favor Apple.
My point is the article reeks of google-search investigative reporting.
Also, your last sentence is NOT how the patent system works. There are over 200 patents (many still pending in addition to that) covering the technology behind the iPhone. There is no "iphone patent".
Ok, once fanboy accusations come into a thread its clear that the intent was never an actual discussion.
Fanboy is not a bad thing. I'm an intel fanboy. If you try to argue with me about how AMD is better I'm going to always favor Intel. Nothing wrong with it but you're wasting your time trying to argue with me about how AMD is better. I'm not going to argue with Apple fanboys.
Apparently you're a patent expert can you show me your credentials? Website? Card? Some kind of proof that you're a patent expert?
It doesn't matter what kind of reporting it is because the evidence speaks for itself. Apple did not design the iPhone look they stole it from the sony designer.
Not to say I won't buy the iPhone 5 because I probably will. Most likely will buy the iPhone 5.
Apparently you're a patent expert can you show me your credentials? Website? Card? Some kind of proof that you're a patent expert?
It doesn't matter what kind of reporting it is because the evidence speaks for itself. Apple did not design the iPhone look they stole it from the sony designer.
Not to say I won't buy the iPhone 5 because I probably will. Most likely will buy the iPhone 5.
Clearly you and I have different definitions of fanboy, expert, credentials, etc.
Also, none of those pictures look like the original iPhone, so how does that play into this.
Final note, the tone of your posts seem to be very confrontational, I'm not sure why there is need for hostility but I'm not looking for that. We can talk about patents and process if you want, but I'm not going to if its in the same tone as this is going.
Lets everyone take a breath.
Alright, but if you claim that the iPhone's design is clearly derived from the iPod, and one can clearly see the evolution of that design from the first iPod to the iPhone, then you have to admit, deriving the design of the GSI from the music player isn't much of a stretch. Is it?
Same rounded square button, same overall shape, same idea of a rectangular screen above said rounded square.
Similar to how Apple's design is based upon a square/rectangle above a circle.
Ok well Apple claims they invented the curve square look so it is pretty important because Apple is stopping imports of samsung products based on it's look. If samsung can prove Apple is not the original designer of the look than that throws out Apple's case to ban samsung products.
It's very damning.
I'm just being logical vs emotional. Hostile would be me calling you unintellectual names. Fanboy is not name calling it simply means you favor a brand and have biased views. There is nothing wrong with that.
It's very damning.
I'm just being logical vs emotional. Hostile would be me calling you unintellectual names. Fanboy is not name calling it simply means you favor a brand and have biased views. There is nothing wrong with that.
Clearly you and I have different definitions of fanboy, expert, credentials, etc.
Also, none of those pictures look like the original iPhone, so how does that play into this.
Final note, the tone of your posts seem to be very confrontational, I'm not sure why there is need for hostility but I'm not looking for that. We can talk about patents and process if you want, but I'm not going to if its in the same tone as this is going.
Lets everyone take a breath.
That's not what any of the patents, or any of the current court cases are about....
Apple started with the iPhone... the Sony one looks like the iPhone 4.
Samsung (not) getting their ****.
Samsung (not) getting their ****.