Samsung Lies Again

[hallux]

Some Apps can't be put on the SD card. The google play movies and TV shows can only be stored on the device.

Correct

Talk about lies, please stop spreading false info.

Movies and other files _are_ stored on the SD card. It's the customary practice.

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Especially the ones who have no clue about Android.

The newer versions of Android do not even have the OPTION to store apps on the SD card. KitKat on my Moto X doesn't. Samsung may have it but that would be part of TouchWiz.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1wgiqw/android_kitkat_will_make_your_sd_card_completely/

I've only been using Android for 4-5 years, guess I don't know anything. Sure, I'm not a rooter or developer, but I understand how my devices work.

Would you care to explain to me how I can move TV Shows and movies I've purchased from the Google play store to my SD card?

I'm not talking ripped DVDs. My device is not rooted and I don't want to root it.

Correct, content bought from the Google Play Store and cached to the device MUST be stored on internal storage, there are NO options in the apps to store the cache elsewhere.

As for the original post. Samsung isn't lying any more than Motorola, Apple, LG, Sony, HTC, etc are. Heck, even computer manufacturers lie, they advertise 1 TB HDD's but how much of those are consumed by the OS? Quit trying to find a way to knock the competitors, you're just grasping at straws with this argument.

 

[cynics]

How is this different then any other device that has an OS?

Last I checked all my iOS devices and my iMac don't have the advertised storage on them for me to use freely.

I MIGHT be able to understand this argument if the OP had no idea how this works. But clearly he/she does since they compare to the iPhone.

 

[sixrom]

Would you care to explain to me how I can move TV Shows and movies I've purchased from the Google play store to my SD card?

I'm not talking ripped DVDs. My device is not rooted and I don't want to root it.

You made a broad statement, without mentioning any particular brand & model of phone. It's your responsibility to educate yourself. Google is your friend.

I have no problem with storing most of my apps, videos, and data files on my unrooted Galaxy Note 3. It's fast, easy and very effective. That's what the SD card is for.

 

[sentinelsx]

It's not lying. My brand new 3TB HDD is also not actually 3TB to the last byte, and it doesn't have anything loaded by me yet.

The max capacity is 16 GB as advertised, no lying involved. It would be nice if ALL OEMs (yes all, not just samsung) quoted actual usable space instead, but this is not a trend yet.

 

[LSUtigers03]

Would you care to explain to me how I can move TV Shows and movies I've purchased from the Google play store to my SD card?

I'm not talking ripped DVDs. My device is not rooted and I don't want to root it.

I think it came with Kit Kat but you can store downloads from Google Play Movies and Music on the SD card.

 

[iRetired]

Would you care to explain to me how I can move TV Shows and movies I've purchased from the Google play store to my SD card?

I'm not talking ripped DVDs. My device is not rooted and I don't want to root it.

I routinely move TV shows, YouTube videos and purchased movies from the Galaxy S4's main storage to my 64GB microSD card. Just drag'n'drop using Windows Explorer. If you're rooted, Root Explorer will do the same thing. If you're not rooted, simply use the MyFiles app (included in OS4.2.2 and 4.3) to move your files from main to SD. No PC hookup required.

 

[gotluck]

Google Play music does work on the SD Card, surprisingly enough

Kit Kat device users are going to be upset with sdcard performance if you are not willing to root.

Most 3rd party apps will not have write access, unless samsung fixes this with touchwiz. I believe, currently released Kit Kat updated devices (S4, Note3) are having the issue, so I don't see why it wouldnt continue with the S5.

Read access only aside from select apps like ES File Explorer (unless you root)

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...te-3-likely-to-cause-microSD-problems_id52995

In plain English, that means your microSD card is secondary storage and apps will not be allowed to use it. If you want to see it in "geek speak," Google’s own language about the specifications says it equally plainly to developers and partners:

I believe 'system apps' maintain the ability to write to the SD Card

 

[Shanghaichica]

I think it came with Kit Kat but you can store downloads from Google Play Movies and Music on the SD card.

Ah right thanks. I don't have kit kat on my phone yet. Looking forward to this even more now.

Thanks

Edit: Just checked my settings and I don't have the option to store on the SD card. It must come with kit kat.

I will try the drag and drop method

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You made a broad statement, without mentioning any particular brand & model of phone. It's your responsibility to educate yourself. Google is your friend.

I have no problem with storing most of my apps, videos, and data files on my unrooted Galaxy Note 3. It's fast, easy and very effective. That's what the SD card is for.

I know what the SD card is for. I use it to store my music and own video files, I just haven't been able to get my Google play video purchases on there yet.

 

[muy picante]

Any news about possibility to get rid of automatically downloaded ios7 from iphone 4s and get back 1 gig of disk space that apple stole? I will never install that crap, I want to keep it the way SJ approved it. It does not matter any more - using iphone as backup. My galaxy note3 is the best phone I've used so far.

 

[Technarchy]

Samsung offers an SD card option. Problem solved.

Same can't be said for Apple. It's a clear limitation with the solution being very costly in the form of $100 for an additional 16gb.

Looking forward to seeing the GPE version of GS5 and the iPhone 6 and seeing which I want more

 

[sentinelsx]

Samsung offers an SD card option. Problem solved.

Same can't be said for Apple. It's a clear limitation with the solution being very costly in the form of $100 for an additional 16gb.

Looking forward to seeing the GPE version of GS5 and the iPhone 6 and seeing which I want more

Except having an SD card doesn't kill the absurdity of having over 5 GB of bloat.

I run a GPE ROM on my S4 and it greatly irks me that thanks to samsung's partition scheme and their "FU" attitude to flashers, about 5-6 GB of internal space in my phone is sitting there with no chance of being reclaimed ever. I would not have bought a separate SD card if that space was available.

 

[ardchoille50]

So you're saying all Phone manufacturers lie, some just more than others?

You got "all Phone manufacturers lie" from what I posted? I merely posted an article, I never said whether or not I agreed with it.

Perhaps people should read forum posts instead of seeing what one wants to see?
Since this thread is causing problems, I have asked for it to be deleted.

 

[hallux]

You got "all Phone manufacturers lie" from what I posted? I merely posted an article, I never said whether or not I agreed with it.

Perhaps people should read forum posts instead of seeing what one wants to see?
Since this thread is causing problems, I have asked for it to be deleted.

It's causing problems because of the way you presented it using the "Samsung lies again" title.

It's not lying. My brand new 3TB HDD is also not actually 3TB to the last byte, and it doesn't have anything loaded by me yet.

The max capacity is 16 GB as advertised, no lying involved. It would be nice if ALL OEMs (yes all, not just samsung) quoted actual usable space instead, but this is not a trend yet.

It's the difference between decimal measurement and binary. It may be 3,000,000,000,000 bytes but as far as the way the computer counts them it's actually only 2.793 TB. 1 TB in binary is actually 1024 GB, it's actually TEBIBYTE and GIBIBYTE, to refer to the difference in how they're counted.

 

[adder7712]

I guess Intel is also lying because the advertised space on my SSD is 120GB but I only get 111GB.

 

[Curun]

I guess Intel is also lying because the advertised space on my SSD is 120GB but I only get 111GB.

No, the problem is you use Windows.

Intel is accurate, they give you 120GB, which is identical to 111GiB. These are two completely different prefixes. One standard SI/Metric, the later an IEC prefix for binary units.

120GB per SI/Metric system indicates 120 billion bytes. Or 120,000,000,000 bytes. Metric system clearly defines the prefix G-/Giga for Billion. 120 GB. Used correctly.

120,000,000,000 bytes / 1,000,000,000(Giga) = 120 GB
120,000,000,000 bytes / 1024^3(Gibi) = 111.75 GiB

Microsoft engineers completely botch the display of storage space,,and fail to comprehend SI/Metric units.

Its like saying 5 km is equivalent to 3.1 miles. Different unit, distance.
But Microsoft is saying 5 km is equivalent to 3.1 km and calling it done. Microsoft is stupid.

 

[Menel]

It's not lying. My brand new 3TB HDD is also not actually 3TB to the last byte, and it doesn't have anything loaded by me yet.

Maybe not to the last byte, but it should be very very close.

Or you could be using Windows... Whose engineers missed 3rd grade and don't understand the SI/Metric system. They erroneously label TiB as TB.

Disk drive manufacturers generally use megabyte correctly to mean 1,000,000 bytes. The inconsistency can be confusing, since operating systems using the nonstandards-based method report lower numbers for hard disks than advertised by manufacturers. Many operating systems compute file size in mebibytes, but report the number as MB. For example, all versions of Microsoft Windows operating system shows a file of 220 bytes as "1.00 MB" or "1,024 KB" in its file properties dialog, while showing a file of 106 (1000000) bytes as 976 KB.

All versions of Apple's operating systems had the same behavior, until Mac OS X version 10.6, which now uses megabytes for all file and disk sizes, so it reports a 106 byte file as 1 MB.[8][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte

This is completely irrelevant to the OP. Who is whining about how much space Android consumes. Similarly, Windows take 16-20GB out of your 3TB drive if you install the OS on it.

 

[sviato]

I always thought phones should have a bigger flash drive that can hold the OS and have the advertised storage space for consumers.

 

[Michael Goff]

No, the problem is you use Windows.

Intel is accurate, they give you 120GB, which is identical to 111GiB. These are two completely different prefixes. One standard SI/Metric, the later an IEC prefix for binary units.

120GB per SI/Metric system indicates 120 billion bytes. Or 120,000,000,000 bytes. Metric system clearly defines the prefix G-/Giga for Billion. 120 GB. Used correctly.

120,000,000,000 bytes / 1,000,000,000(Giga) = 120 GB
120,000,000,000 bytes / 1024^3(Gibi) = 111.75 GiB

Microsoft engineers completely botch the display of storage space,,and fail to comprehend SI/Metric units.

Its like saying 5 km is equivalent to 3.1 miles. Different unit, distance.
But Microsoft is saying 5 km is equivalent to 3.1 km and calling it done. Microsoft is stupid.

Except it should be 1024 per GB. If you have one GB of RAM, it's 1024MB. So why do people argue that it's 1000 for one and 1024 for the other? And if you don't believe me, look up any piece of RAM. It will come in increments of 1024 (like 4gb being 4096).

Edit: Also, OS X shows only 500gb of usable space on my 512gb SSD.

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Maybe not to the last byte, but it should be very very close.

Or you could be using Windows... Whose engineers missed 3rd grade and don't understand the SI/Metric system. They erroneously label TiB as TB.



This is completely irrelevant to the OP. Who is whining about how much space Android consumes. Similarly, Windows take 16-20GB out of your 3TB drive if you install the OS on it.

And your excuse for OS X showing 500gb out of 512gb that the SSD supposedly has is...

 

[Curun]

Except it should be 1024 per GB. If you have one GB of RAM, it's 1024MB. So why do people argue that it's 1000 for one and 1024 for the other? And if you don't believe me, look up any piece of RAM. It will come in increments of 1024 (like 4gb being 4096).

No, it should not be.

We argue for 1000 because we were educated in the SI/Metric system that
k- is for. Kilo is 1,000
M- is Mega is 1,000,000
G- is Giga is 1,000,000,000.

Apple, Western Digital, Seagate, Hitachi, Intel.... All understand this.

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And your excuse for OS X showing 500gb out of 512gb that the SSD supposedly has is...

Understanding storage capacity in Solid State Drives and Flash Storage

Storage capacity displayed in Disk Utility by for Solid State Drives and Flash Storage will show a slightly smaller size. For example, a 256 GB Solid State Drive (SSD) should have a total of approximately 250 GB.

These items may account for the additional space used in your Solid State drive and Flash Storage:

EFI Partition
Restore Partition
Wear-leveling blocks
Write-buffer area
Metadata
Spare blocks
Grown bad blocks
Factory bad blocks

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2419

We'll get you edumacated yet!

Windows would erroneously show ~476GB for your 512GB SSD.

 

[Michael Goff]

No, it should not be.

We argue for 1000 because we were educated in the SI/Metric system that
k- is for. Kilo is 1,000
M- is Mega is 1,000,000
G- is Giga is 1,000,000,000.

Apple, Western Digital, Seagate, Hitachi, Intel.... All understand this.

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Understanding storage capacity in Solid State Drives and Flash Storage

Storage capacity displayed in Disk Utility by for Solid State Drives and Flash Storage will show a slightly smaller size. For example, a 256 GB Solid State Drive (SSD) should have a total of approximately 250 GB.

These items may account for the additional space used in your Solid State drive and Flash Storage:

EFI Partition
Restore Partition
Wear-leveling blocks
Write-buffer area
Metadata
Spare blocks
Grown bad blocks
Factory bad blocks

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2419

We'll get you edumacated yet!

Windows would erroneously show ~476GB for your 512GB SSD.

Except computers are binary, not metric. So it makes more sense for there to be a binary method of quantifying these things than a metric one. It is only because we, as humans, work better with multiples of 10 that anyone would ever think to make it base 10.

Also, like I pointed out... RAM disagrees with you. So I suppose some companies just don't get it, right?

 

[Curun]

Except computers are binary, not metric. So it makes more sense for there to be a binary method of quantifying these things than a metric one. It is only because we, as humans, work better with multiples of 10 that anyone would ever think to make it base 10.

Also, like I pointed out... RAM disagrees with you. So I suppose some companies just don't get it, right?

RAM is notated using SI/Metric units which is erroneous. It should be using IEC nomenclature GiB and MiB for binary units... Not metric. At least its industry wide erroneous. There is not one party notating it wrong and one notating it correctly. They've all settled on the incorrect notation and has stuck.

Computers work in metric.
Computer clock speed 1 Ghz, is 1,000,000,000 Hz.
HDD platters have x bytes and come out in base10 metric.
CMOS camera sensors, 8MP = 8,000,000 pixels
WIFI transfer, 150Mbps 802.11n, is 150,000,000 bits. Base10.

Just some Software and RAM suppliers are deeply confused with storage.

 

[fredaroony]

You got "all Phone manufacturers lie" from what I posted? I merely posted an article, I never said whether or not I agreed with it.

Perhaps people should read forum posts instead of seeing what one wants to see?
Since this thread is causing problems, I have asked for it to be deleted.

You only posted it to cause problems...

 

[Michael Goff]

RAM is notated using SI/Metric units which is erroneous. It should be using IEC nomenclature GiB and MiB for binary units... Not metric. At least its industry wide erroneous. There is not one party notating it wrong and one notating it correctly. They've all settled on the incorrect notation and has stuck.

Computers work in metric.
Computer clock speed 1 Ghz, is 1,000,000,000 Hz.
HDD platters have x bytes and come out in base10 metric.
CMOS camera sensors, 8MP = 8,000,000 pixels
WIFI transfer, 150Mbps 802.11n, is 150,000,000 bits. Base10.

Just some Software and RAM suppliers are deeply confused with storage.

Computers work in metric? and here I thought that they worked in 1's and 0's. :|

 

[Curun]

Computers work in metric? and here I thought that they worked in 1's and 0's. :|

Those are just the two states of a bit.

Bit rates are metric. mbps, kbps.

The crystal clock that drives the CPU to process those bits... is well metric in nature.
1 MHz = 1,000,000 Hz.
1 GHz = 1,000,000,000 Hz.

 

[bembol]

Lie? No.

Seriously, they knew this was a problem. I even read/saw that some S4 models came with a 8GB microSD? Sorry, can't remember the link.

My issue (this goes for Apple & Sony too) is why not make 32GB standard?

Please don't tell me Samsung is waiting for Apple to make that move.