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Don’t want thinner if it means less battery life. Innovate on batteries not design or more cpu power. Real environment change can be achieved with longer battery life.
 
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I wonder if Samsung's version will be any good... or at a reasonable price. Their folding phones look cool, but they cut corners with things like the camera, and they're so overpriced that it's ridiculous. 😅
 
Does anyone have data on the percentage of phone buyers who switched (from Apple to Android or vice versa)?

My guess is that the percentage is on the small side, but I don't really know. I'm a loyal iPhone user, but I have friends and coworkers who are solidly in the Android camp.

I'm asking because the article seems to frame this as a competition between Samsung and Apple. But if most people are very reluctant to switch from one OS to the other, then it's not much of a competition.

Personally, I'm happy there are so many great Android phones. That motivates Apple to keep improving its iPhones (sometimes adding features that Android phones got two years ago, but hey, better late than never).
I bounce back and forth all the time. I'll always have an iPhone and a Galaxy of some sort.
The apps I use are largely available on both platforms with a few exceptions.
As for thinner, until they can get a more efficient battery and a stronger frame, I'll pass.
I've already dealt with phones from both companies that bend too easily.
 
I want 30x optical zoom or better and fat battery so thinness obsession doesn't bode well.
 
I want 30x optical zoom or better and fat battery so thinness obsession doesn't bode well.

What you want is a camera that also includes phone features... which seems like a good idea to me. Telephony functionality can work on ANYTYHING- iPad, Watch, Mac, PC, etc too. But major camera improvements need to obey laws of physics. What if Apple built something entirely focused on being a camera but included the telephony app functionality too. That would be huge strides forward in camera and camcorder quality. Not necessarily exactly this but let this paint an imagination picture...

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I don't expect such a thing but it seems far better than "thinner" to me. Many of these SLR cameras have good-sized screens these days. Imagine the iPhone touch screen running iOS on there, buds for audio, etc. Yes, that's a bulkier piece of tech, but bulkier is somewhat fundamental to major camera/camcorder improvements. The physics NEEDS depth. Picture quality needs sensors BIGGER than what can be engineered into a thin camera case. Notches & islands can get OUT of the picture because the camera case has abundant space for front-facing camera tech.

Less bulky, very rough concept (by moving most analog camera buttons into the camera app, so that it's almost all screen on the back...

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Instead of trying to jam a far better camera into a thin phone case, what if they jam slim phone tech into a camera case? Only one of those is actually doable.

And no, we don't hold a camera up to our ear just like many of us don't even hold iPhone up to our ear (buds). iPad Mini is my 5G "phone" (too) and I never hold it up to an ear. Sometimes Mac is our phone and we don't hold it up to our ears either. If a phone can be a camera and a flashlight and a tape measure and a Map, a camera (form factor) could be a phone (too).
 
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Of course there are, they copy everything apple do.
It's just an old trend that is being recycled again.

Oppo RS5 4.9mm thin
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Samsung Galaxy Alpha 6.7mm thin
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Pretty much all the foldable phones are incredibly thin when unfolded.

Honor Magic V3 4.4mm thin
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Hmm, but what if I want thin, light and SMALL phone? Like even 5 inch phone or less. Recently I have dug out my Sony Ericsson mobile phone from the drawer and oh boi… how light and small it is! And I can still see anything I need or want on the tiny 2,97 inch display. I think we have all become spoiled with all these large smartphone displays in the last decade. I would much more value a small pocketable smartphone than a phablet, especially since smaller smartphone are best cameras – you don’t even need OIS to get a good shot with smaller chassis.

Anyway, waiting for s25. I need a new phone and gonna skip Apple this time. Too many useless innovations and too much complications in new iOS 18. Finally all new Samsungs have nice, normal, traditional flat (not curved!!) display
 
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A company can release a product first but still copy another one that releases later. There are supply chains that can be analyzed and public rumors that can be used to quickly design a product and release it first. Temporal order of release doesn't inherently imply copying, although people infer it.

Also, sometimes similar products come out at about the same time independently.
Large companies work slightly differently than how we think they do. What is now “brand new” and “fastest on the market” is already obsolete behind the closed doors. They have their prototypes lying on the tables for 2 years in advance and even more. This is why Apple “drip feeds” features and options to customers year after year with up to no changes in design for more than 5 years in a row.

What is much more prevalent is corporate espionage, i.e. companies steal from each other by various means including “planting” people on certain positions inside the “enemy” company.

While Samsung has copied from Apple in the past, nowadays it feels more like vice versa: Samsung had tripple camera setup year before Apple unveiled it, and setup of much better quality. Same with USB-C, control center that Apple managed to copy only recently, AI features and so on
 
Large companies work slightly differently than how we think they do. What is now “brand new” and “fastest on the market” is already obsolete behind the closed doors. They have their prototypes lying on the tables for 2 years in advance and even more. This is why Apple “drip feeds” features and options to customers year after year with up to no changes in design for more than 5 years in a row.

What is much more prevalent is corporate espionage, i.e. companies steal from each other by various means including “planting” people on certain positions inside the “enemy” company.

While Samsung has copied from Apple in the past, nowadays it feels more like vice versa: Samsung had tripple camera setup year before Apple unveiled it, and setup of much better quality. Same with USB-C, control center that Apple managed to copy only recently, AI features and so on

It is even more than that. I worked for IBM in the Personal Software Products division in Boca Raton in the early 1990s. I was involved as a software representative to a number of the PC Company's product design efforts. If you looked at the mockups of industrial designs they had for both phones and PCs then (we are talking 30+ years ago), you'd realize much of what has passed for new in the last 20 years was already part of the zeitgeist back then.

I remember one meeting concerning laptops. The marketing director running the meeting walked in with a mockup of a phone (it wasn't operational, just a mockup), but it looked pretty much like the form factor you see today with similar smart-phone like features. This was around the beginning of 1992, long before mobile phones were common. Of course, microprocessors didn't have anywhere near the processor power that the first iPhone had. But, lest you think they couldn't have been that far advanced in their thinking, that was around the time of the first big wave of tablet computers (GRiDPad, PenPoint, AT&T EO, and Apple Newton). Don't forget, "Project Purple" started 12 years later as a tablet computer, but was redirected by Jobs towards a cell phone.

Even more impressive was the PC Company's industrial design lab. The PC Design that impressed me the most at the time looked like a cross between a current iMac and an iPad on a stand with a detached keyboard underneath. The screen of the PC was removable so that it could be used like a tablet. What you think are cool a new designs of the last 10 years were ideas being kicked about 30 years ago. Technology just needed to catch up to imagination.
 
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Of course there are, they copy everything apple do.
Apple, dropped the Mini after 2 years, they forgot that users purchase phones about every 5 years. If there was an iPhone 6 mini, I would have purchased it. I'm sticking with my SE2020 that is the lightest iPhone made.

Samsung is reading the user requests and bringing it faster than Apple. Apple is dropping stickers in the box, and forgetting what users want.
 
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Samsung has released a Fold 6 Ultra in South Korea . It is supposed to be very thin. I think they have been working on this for a while.
 
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What’s this renewed fixation with large and thin? Have they forgotten their iPhone 6 Plus fiasco?
To be fair, as the owner of a 6+, it was its predecessor, the 6, which had a stiffening shim removed by Apple to make it thinner and that was added back to the 6+.
 
To be fair, as the owner of a 6+, it was its predecessor, the 6, which had a stiffening shim removed by Apple to make it thinner and that was added back to the 6+.

Hmm, I thought 6+ was even more bendable. 🤔

Apple's internal tests found that the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are significantly more likely to bend than the iPhone 5S, according to information made public in a recent court filing obtained by Motherboard.
The company found that the iPhone 6 is 3.3 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, and the iPhone 6 Plus is 7.2 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, according to the documents.

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Lol at people saying “of course Samsung copies everything Apple.. etc”

Apple hasn’t shipped anything yet.

And there are plenty of features the S24 Ultra has that I wish the Apple 16 pros had.

Even the regular S24 has many things the 16 doesn’t have.
 
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Hmm, I thought 6+ was even more bendable. 🤔
You're right. Ignore me. I've just had a brainfart comparing the iP6 with iP6+ instead of the iP6S+, which is what I had. A friend had the iP6+ and eventually got the ghost touch problem connected with bending the screen ever so slightly.
 
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