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aneftp

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40 million is impressive number of "new" S4 sold in almost 6 months.

Apple still Managed to sell almost 35 million "old" 8-9 month old iPhone 5 plus iPhone 4S and 4 in Q2 2013. So even if u say iPhone 5 accounted for 1/2 those sales of the 35 million. You are still looking at Apple selling almost 20 million iPhone 5 in 3 month time period from April 2013-June 2013.

We won't know how many 5S will have sold in a six month period until Q1 2014 reports.
 

Hastings101

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Psh so what? According to Wikipedia Nokia's 1100 phone sold 250 million in total. Suck on that Apple and Samsung.

lol :p
 

Jessica Lares

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Oct 31, 2009
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Only because the contract price probably fluctuates. I don't mean that in a bad way, but Samsung pretty much doesn't control it, and carriers will usually try and win you over by offering it for $0 or just $99. Currently $140 on Amazon.
 

ucfgrad93

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Aug 17, 2007
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40 million is impressive number of "new" S4 sold in almost 6 months.

Apple still Managed to sell almost 35 million "old" 8-9 month old iPhone 5 plus iPhone 4S and 4 in Q2 2013. So even if u say iPhone 5 accounted for 1/2 those sales of the 35 million. You are still looking at Apple selling almost 20 million iPhone 5 in 3 month time period from April 2013-June 2013.

We won't know how many 5S will have sold in a six month period until Q1 2014 reports.

Agreed. Both Apple and Samsung sell an insane number of phones on a daily basis.
 

kdarling

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Comparisons aren't so straight forward these days.

For example, Samsung has more than one flagship phone... they sell both the S and the Note as their premium models.

Currently their flagships are the S4 and Note 3, but they still sell quite a few S3 and Note 2 phones.

Apple only has one flagship phone at a time, but they've also switched things up with the repackaged 5C this year.
 

Jibbajabba

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I would prefer to know how many phones actually end up in a consumer's hand. I am almost sure these numbers include vendors / shops / retailer purchases, but not actually devices sold to the end customer.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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I would prefer to know how many phones actually end up in a consumer's hand. I am almost sure these numbers include vendors / shops / retailer purchases, but not actually devices sold to the end customer.

really? So what does "vendors / shops / retailer purchases" do with phones? Do they sell them? If they return them to Samsung....they will come off the sales figures......this is business inventory 101.....
 

TheHateMachine

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Sep 18, 2012
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I would prefer to know how many phones actually end up in a consumer's hand. I am almost sure these numbers include vendors / shops / retailer purchases, but not actually devices sold to the end customer.

Of course they include sales to vendors. Everyone reports the same numbers... even Apple. No one reports only sold to customer.

I am sure a lot of these are in customers hands anyways. Would a retailer or vendor just keep ordering the phones because they like the way they look in warehouse shelves? More than likely, it is to replace sold inventory.
 

Fanaticalism

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Apr 16, 2013
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Only because the contract price probably fluctuates. I don't mean that in a bad way, but Samsung pretty much doesn't control it, and carriers will usually try and win you over by offering it for $0 or just $99. Currently $140 on Amazon.

Apple was giving the iPhone 5 away for free for almost three straight months through third party retailers with the "trade in any working smart phone", promos.

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Comparisons aren't so straight forward these days.

For example, Samsung has more than one flagship phone... they sell both the S and the Note as their premium models.

Currently their flagships are the S4 and Note 3, but they still sell quite a few S3 and Note 2 phones.

Apple only has one flagship phone at a time, but they've also switched things up with the repackaged 5C this year.

Side note, the S3 is being discontinued. Inventory is being depleted and ceasing through multi channel avenues.
 

kenknotts

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Sep 23, 2013
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Of course they include sales to vendors. Everyone reports the same numbers... even Apple. No one reports only sold to customer.

I am sure a lot of these are in customers hands anyways. Would a retailer or vendor just keep ordering the phones because they like the way they look in warehouse shelves? More than likely, it is to replace sold inventory.

But the thing is, you can walk into any carrier store, best buy, radio shack, walmart etc...and find dozens of S4s. These have already been reported as "sold" because they were indeed sold to vendors, just not to customers. The 5s has already sold between 32-34 million in just ONE month and would have sold millions more if not for shortages. Seeing as how its very difficult to find the 5s in most places, you can bet those numbers are actual sales and not sales resulting in inventory sitting on shelves.
 

bmac4

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But the thing is, you can walk into any carrier store, best buy, radio shack, walmart etc...and find dozens of S4s. These have already been reported as "sold" because they were indeed sold to vendors, just not to customers. The 5s has already sold between 32-34 million in just ONE month and would have sold millions more if not for shortages. Seeing as how its very difficult to find the 5s in most places, you can bet those numbers are actual sales and not sales resulting in inventory sitting on shelves.

Where in the world did you get that Apple has sold 32-34 million in one month? I have seen no where that is reporting these crazy high numbers for the 5S. This is what they may get in 9 months, but there is no way they have sold 32 million in this last month.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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But the thing is, you can walk into any carrier store, best buy, radio shack, walmart etc...and find dozens of S4s. These have already been reported as "sold" because they were indeed sold to vendors, just not to customers. The 5s has already sold between 32-34 million in just ONE month and would have sold millions more if not for shortages. Seeing as how its very difficult to find the 5s in most places, you can bet those numbers are actual sales and not sales resulting in inventory sitting on shelves.

That is not the point.....would have could have but didn't...Apple new full well what the demand was going to be. The fact that Apple cannot or would not meet the demand says nothing about Samsung. Sales to vendors are counted as sales.......Apple does that too. The iPhones shipped to the mobile carriers are sales to customers unless they are returned and removed from sales figures. There is not doubt that the iPhone is the single best selling mobile phone on the market.....but that margin and accomplishment is getting smaller every year.
EDIT: do you have a source for the iPhones sales? Can you post it please?
 
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bmac4

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Comparisons aren't so straight forward these days.

For example, Samsung has more than one flagship phone... they sell both the S and the Note as their premium models.

Currently their flagships are the S4 and Note 3, but they still sell quite a few S3 and Note 2 phones.

Apple only has one flagship phone at a time, but they've also switched things up with the repackaged 5C this year.

Apple was selling the iPhone 5 as the flagship, 4s, and 4 all at the same time. They count their sales with all these phones too. Yes Samsung has 2 flagships at a time, but saying they are selling the note 2, and S3 is the same thing as Apple selling the 4, and 4S.
 

Fanaticalism

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Apr 16, 2013
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But the thing is, you can walk into any carrier store, best buy, radio shack, walmart etc...and find dozens of S4s. These have already been reported as "sold" because they were indeed sold to vendors, just not to customers. The 5s has already sold between 32-34 million in just ONE month and would have sold millions more if not for shortages. Seeing as how its very difficult to find the 5s in most places, you can bet those numbers are actual sales and not sales resulting in inventory sitting on shelves.

That is now Ken, much the same as you could find cabinets full of iPhone 5's in January and will it be the same for the 5s.
 

kenknotts

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Sep 23, 2013
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Where in the world did you get that Apple has sold 32-34 million in one month? I have seen no where that is reporting these crazy high numbers for the 5S. This is what they may get in 9 months, but there is no way they have sold 32 million in this last month.

9 months? The 5s sold nearly 10 MILLION in its first weekend lol. You guys should try reading the main forums once in awhile rather than just staying in an Android sub forum on an Apple site :p

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/10/...een-higher-were-it-not-for-supply-constraints
 

bmac4

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9 months? The 5s sold nearly 10 MILLION in its first weekend lol. You guys should try reading the main forums once in awhile rather than just staying in an Android sub forum on an Apple site :p

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/10/...een-higher-were-it-not-for-supply-constraints

That would be sales for all iPhones not just the 5S. That would include the 5S, 5C, and 4S. Sorry but the iPhone 5S was not anywhere close to 32 million. Even if they made more there were not 32 million phones that would have been sold.
 

kenknotts

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Sep 23, 2013
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That would be sales for all iPhones not just the 5S. That would include the 5S, 5C, and 4S. Sorry but the iPhone 5S was not anywhere close to 32 million. Even if they made more there were not 32 million phones that would have been sold.

Ah ok, I must have read that wrong then. Either way, if the 5s sold over 9 million in its first weekend, I think its safe to say that number has grown quite a bit in a month.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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9 months? The 5s sold nearly 10 MILLION in its first weekend lol. You guys should try reading the main forums once in awhile rather than just staying in an Android sub forum on an Apple site :p

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/10/...een-higher-were-it-not-for-supply-constraints
Ken....you really need to broaden your reading sources...
Apple (iOS) is still catching up to Android....globally!
See table 3 in the link below

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2573415

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609329-94/samsung-galaxy-s3-outpaces-iphone-5s-5c-in-touch-accuracy/
 
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Fanaticalism

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Apr 16, 2013
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But those iPhones are going to be sold, unlike those S4s which will be marked down even further and then get stuck with the new Galaxy S5s.

Heh, you clearly do not know Samsungs product cycles. The s4 will become their introductory contract model and become available to prepaid carriers like VM, BOOST etc. No different then how Apple always maintained a "tweener" with the previous year flagship being the step down model.

I can tell you that there are loads of iPhone 5's for ATT/Sprint sitting on retailers shelves, right now.

The 5 slowed down to a snails pace... they started giving them away for free, on contract, as I mentioned above for three straight months... and they still did not manage to sell through inventory prior to the 5S release.
 

kenknotts

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Sep 23, 2013
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Ken....you really need to broaden your reading sources...
Apple (iOS) is still catching up to Android....globally!
See table 3 in the link below

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2573415

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609329-94/samsung-galaxy-s3-outpaces-iphone-5s-5c-in-touch-accuracy/


Yes, I understand that but you are comparing hundreds of Android devices (many given away free, BOGO or VERY cheap) to ONE iPhone. Even Samsung has like 20 phones, just in their Galaxy line! No one Android device outsells the iPhone, not even the S4.

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I can tell you that there are loads of iPhone 5's for ATT/Sprint sitting on retailers shelves, right now.

The 5 slowed down to a snails pace...

Really?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-5-more-popular-than-iphone-5s-sales-chart-claims
 

Fanaticalism

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Apr 16, 2013
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Yes, I understand that but you are comparing hundreds of Android devices (many given away free, BOGO or VERY cheap) to ONE iPhone. No one Android device outsells the iPhone, not even the S4.

For free, like the 4s? Or the 4 before it, or the 3GS before that?

C'mon, let's remove the blinders and be realistic here people.
 
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