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Or like the countless other Apple law suits they go the way of the dodo Only 1 lawsuit so far which is amazing
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Now THAT would be amazing.4K Always ON OLED Display.Make it happen Samsung

Your not getting it, nothing like this has happened to Apple.
As well, your comparisons with the auto industries are irrelevant due to incongruent inherent risks involved between automobiles and smartphones.

If that is too complicated, understand this, you do not require governmental approval to operate a smartphone, you do for an automobile, because it can kill people even without a deadly recall!! The same Cannot be said for smartphone, until now thanks to the note 7.
 

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Everyone reporting the galaxy note 7 exploding is accurate.

Most people think of the first definition in your dictionary example, which is "a violent and destructive shattering or blowing apart of something, as is caused by a bomb."

It does not blow apart. It catches fire. As I said, I didn't like people claiming that iPhones were "exploding" due to third party chargers, either. It's just click bait dramatic headlines, which is all too common these days.

According to the chairman of the cpsc, the battery was too big. Guy might actually win the lawsuit,

Good info. That means either somebody failed to give the battery maker the correct size, or (more likely) the battery maker made it too big and somebody failed to notice it.

It'd be interesting to find out if the first samples were the correct thickness, and later ones were not. Still no excuse, since random lots should be constantly checked to see if they're in spec.

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Reminds me of that famous automotive anecdote of when Ford and Mazda first collaborated. Apparently the Ford built automatic transmissions were failing at a far larger rate than the Mazda built version of the exact same transmission. Both were supposedly built to the same tolerances. So Ford sent engineers to Mazda to figure out why those transmissions rarely failed.

As they checked each individual part coming down the factory assembly line, they found that every single Mazda part was exactly on spec. Not just within tolerance levels like parts in the Ford factory, but EXACTLY what was called for.

So even though the Ford parts were within tolerance levels, the cumulative effect of many parts being near the edge of tolerance, made the Ford transmissions fit less perfectly together than the exacting Mazda parts.
 
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Most people think of the first definition in your dictionary example, which is "a violent and destructive shattering or blowing apart of something, as is caused by a bomb."

It does not blow apart. It catches fire. As I said, I didn't like people claiming that iPhones were "exploding" due to third party chargers, either. It's just click bait dramatic headlines, which is all too common these days.



Good info. That means either somebody failed to give the battery maker the correct size, or (more likely) the battery maker made it too big and somebody failed to notice it.

It'd be interesting to find out if the first samples were the correct thickness, and later ones were not. Still no excuse, since random lots should be constantly checked to see if they're in spec.

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Reminds me of that famous automotive anecdote of when Ford and Mazda first collaborated. Apparently the Ford built automatic transmissions were failing at a far larger rate than the Mazda built version of the exact same transmission. Both were supposedly built to the same tolerances. So Ford sent engineers to Mazda to figure out why those transmissions rarely failed.

As they checked each individual part coming down the factory assembly line, they found that every single Mazda part was exactly on spec. Not just within tolerance levels like parts in the Ford factory, but EXACTLY what was called for.

So even though the Ford parts were within tolerance levels, the cumulative effect of many parts being near the edge of tolerance, made the Ford transmissions fit less perfectly together than the exacting Mazda parts.


As far as the dictionary defines it, the note 7 exploding is not only an apt but an accurate description of Samsungs current circumstances.

Car analogies do not apply.
 

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Normally I agree about car analogies, but this was not an analogy.

It was a precautionary tale about checking tolerances and specs, which is relevant to using batteries that didn't fit right.

Yup still an analogy.
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Or like the countless other Apple law suits they go the way of the dodo Only 1 lawsuit so far which is amazing
This is like nothing Apple has ever encountered. Suing a company because your reception is poor or you don't like antenna lines is very different to having a device that causes serious injury or could burn your house down. You keep getting corrected every time you make that point yet never listen.
 
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I'm suprised there haven't been more law suits in the US. They are so trigger happy with these class action law suits. I mean if they can sue a company for not being able to get a phone on day one then owning a phone that has the potential to blow up in your pocket, that should be big bucks. You'll be set for life lol

Considering Apple are being sued by people in America who couldn't buy an iPhone 7 I'm surprised too. He will get a good payout and is certainly entitled to for sure. Through no fault of his own he will be scared for life I'd imagine.

I still think the Note 5 is better anyway.
 
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This is like nothing Apple has ever encountered. Suing a company because your reception is poor or you don't like antenna lines is very different to having a device that causes serious injury or could burn your house down. You keep getting corrected every time you make that point yet never listen.
The same things (mostly consisting of deflections, hyperbole, strawmans, moving goalposts, loaded questions, etc.) get repeated time after time in one form or another, no matter how many times they have been shown either not to apply and/or not to hold hold any water. All of it has happened, keeps on happening, and will happen again.
 

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This is like nothing Apple has ever encountered. Suing a company because your reception is poor or you don't like antenna lines is very different to having a device that causes serious injury or could burn your house down. You keep getting corrected every time you make that point yet never listen.
Have Apple been sued because of the Antenna lines? Oh my I don't even know what to say!
 

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Good info. That means either somebody failed to give the battery maker the correct size, or (more likely) the battery maker made it too big and somebody failed to notice it.

It'd be interesting to find out if the first samples were the correct thickness, and later ones were not. Still no excuse, since random lots should be constantly checked to see if they're in spec..

Given the batteries were essentially built in house by Samsung SDI, if they got the wrong size from a little miscommunication then I would be far more worried about Samsung's production methodology. Especially if even if that distant remote possibility proved to be true, then once again it would have been picked up very early in prototype stages.

There just can't be a way that a mistake of this scale could just happen. There would have been far too many opportunities to pick this up along the way ...

Chances are if the wrong size hypothesis proves to be true - it was not an unknowing oversight, but a sanctioned change. It may transpire to have been a case that Samsung design team changed specs late into development and demanded greater mAH from the battery manufacturing team.

We will never truly know unless someone breaches their NDA and blabs


That being said, I still thing it's simply a case of battery manufacturing team simply not up to task for anything on this scale and mistakes happened. It's likely the end of Samsung SDI. But hopefully Samsung has learned a hard lesson and will source batteries from the best / reliable sources rather than trying to undercut production costs in house.
 
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Given the batteries were essentially built in house by Samsung SDI, if they got the wrong size from a little miscommunication then I would be far more worried about Samsung's production methodology. Especially if even if that distant remote possibility proved to be true, then once again it would have been picked up very early in prototype stages.

There just can't be a way that a mistake of this scale could just happen. There would have been far too many opportunities to pick this up along the way ...

Chances are if the wrong size hypothesis proves to be true - it was not an unknowing oversight, but a sanctioned change. It may transpire to have been a case that Samsung design team changed specs late into development and demanded greater mAH from the battery manufacturing team.

We will never truly know unless someone breaches their NDA and blabs


That being said, I still thing it's simply a case of battery manufacturing team simply not up to task for anything on this scale and mistakes happened. It's likely the end of Samsung SDI. But hopefully Samsung has learned a hard lesson and will source batteries from the best / reliable sources rather than trying to undercut production costs in house.

Mars rover crashed because one team was doing calculations like it should be in SI and the other in imperial, so ...
 

kdarling

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This is like nothing Apple has ever encountered. Suing a company because your reception is poor or you don't like antenna lines is very different to having a device that causes serious injury or could burn your house down.

While not as condensed into as short a timeline, Apple has certainly had to settle multiple class actions and single lawsuits over various chargers and cables through the years that have burned down at least one house. They fight these actions for years before giving in.

Heck, earlier this year they finally did a recall of travel adapters that had had reports of shocks sending people to emergency rooms for over a decade.

(And just like Samsung, Apple announced their own recall for it weeks before the CPSC did.)
 

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While not as condensed into as short a timeline, Apple has certainly had to settle multiple class actions and single lawsuits over various chargers and cables through the years that have burned down at least one house. They fight these actions for years before giving in.

Heck, earlier this year they finally did a recall of travel adapters that had had reports of shocks sending people to emergency rooms for over a decade.

(And just like Samsung, Apple announced their own recall for it weeks before the CPSC did.)
Not exactly the same as releasing a product that's inherently unstable with the FAA banning the device usage. Unprecedented is the word.
 
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Have Apple been sued because of the Antenna lines? Oh my I don't even know what to say!
I have no idea but in America anything can happen. They introduced the suing culture to the world, I wouldn't be surprised lol.
Not exactly the same as releasing a product that's inherently unstable with the FAA banning the device usage. Unprecedented is the word.
Exactly, the mini lawsuits every company in the mobile sector has experienced previously is of a minor significance to the scale of the Note 7 battery debacle.
 

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This is like nothing Apple has ever encountered. Suing a company because your reception is poor or you don't like antenna lines is very different to having a device that causes serious injury or could burn your house down. You keep getting corrected every time you make that point yet never listen.

I meant tossed away because nearly every fire incident is being connected to the Note 7 and there is potential money to be made if you get away with it.For example the jeep fire may be fake

http://patch.com/florida/stpete/samsung-galaxy-note7-may-not-have-caused-st-pete-fire-officials-say
 

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Or may be caused by the note 7.

On another note:
Southwest banned note 7 on its flights. Multiple announcements from gate to plane.

Completely banned?

There reports that the note 7 started exploding in china
 

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The exploding Note 7 from China is not because of battery

They still don't know that.


Samsung's Note 7 Battery Problem Expands to China
http://www.toptechnews.com/article/index.php?story_id=11000ATHUZJ0

"In the latest incidents, two people posted accounts on Chinese social media saying their Galaxy Note 7 handsets exploded over the weekend.......Last week, Samsung recalled 1,858 Note 7 phones in China from a different batch that had been distributed before general sales began. The company said the two units involved in the reports of fires were not from that batch."
 
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They still don't know that.


Samsung's Note 7 Battery Problem Expands to China
http://www.toptechnews.com/article/index.php?story_id=11000ATHUZJ0

"In the latest incidents, two people posted accounts on Chinese social media saying their Galaxy Note 7 handsets exploded over the weekend.......Last week, Samsung recalled 1,858 Note 7 phones in China from a different batch that had been distributed before general sales began. The company said the two units involved in the reports of fires were not from that batch."
http://bgr.com/2016/09/20/galaxy-note-7-recall-safe-battery/

" A phone went in flames a few days ago, and both Samsung and ATL say that it’s not because of the battery.

Chinese site TechWeb obtained a statement from Samsung that says the product was damaged because of external heating. ATL reached a similar conclusion after early investigations."
 

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http://bgr.com/2016/09/20/galaxy-note-7-recall-safe-battery/

" A phone went in flames a few days ago, and both Samsung and ATL say that it’s not because of the battery.

Chinese site TechWeb obtained a statement from Samsung that says the product was damaged because of external heating. ATL reached a similar conclusion after early investigations."

So one phone went in flames.
The article I shared said two and they are still investigating the cause.

Chief of the cspc said it was a design flaw.
 

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So one phone went in flames.
The article I shared said two and they are still investigating the cause.

Chief of the cspc said it was a design flaw.
Samsung cant investigate the other phone as they were unable to obtain it.As to the design flaw why are the Notes with the non inhouse batteries not affected?
 

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Banned as in cannot use during flight. For whatever reasons a majority of the passengers were snickering at this announcement.
Because Samsung became a laughing stock due to this. It's become quite a popular joke to make every time anything relating to an explosion occurs.
 
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