Samsung's 2014 flagship to have 2,560x1,440 display and 16 MP camera

[Cod3rror]

A resolution that high is just so pointless. It's actually detrimental. You don't benefit from a clearer picture, but the battery suffers and so does the performance because there are so many pixels to push.

I'd be happy with a 720p screen. Really there is no need for more.

And the same with the camera, megapixel increase. I hope they'll at least include a smart oversampling technology, like Nokia so final images are 5MP but high quality.

It seems manufacturers are just obsessed with bumping up their spec lists with the easiest to upgrade options, without addressing real issues.

What about a battery technology? What about a better camera technology? Will this flagship still ship with a 16GB storage as the lowest capacity model? Isn't it time for 32GB or even 64 to become the lowest entry standard?

 

[tbayrgs]

A resolution that high is just so pointless. It's actually detrimental. You don't benefit from a clearer picture, but the battery suffers and so does the performance because there are so many pixels to push.

I'd be happy with a 720p screen. Really there is no need for more.

And the same with the camera, megapixel increase. I hope they'll at least include a smart oversampling technology, like Nokia so final images are 5MP but high quality.

It seems manufacturers are just obsessed with bumping up their spec lists with the easiest to upgrade options, without addressing real issues.

What about a battery technology? What about a better camera technology? Will this flagship still ship with a 16GB storage as the lowest capacity model? Isn't it time for 32GB or even 64 to become the lowest entry standard?

Hit the nail on the head with this post. Samsung needs to stop just trying to overpower everything and actually try to optimize their user experience. Their existing hardware should be more than enough to create a smooth, efficient use experience yet the most common criticisms are the same that we've been seeing for a while now -- laggy and over bloated.

Bumping the screen resolution even higher is just going to further task system resources for a feature that is absolute overkill on a device that size, at least at this point.

The Galaxy S4 beats a device like the Moto X across the board yet I would chose the Moto X every time for its superior user experience alone.

 

[2298754]

If the GS5 runs like the GN3, then no one has anything to complain about. It is smooth as silk. No lag whatsoever.

 

[mclld]

People who dont even buy Samsung phones like to complain about them a lot, same can be said with people who bitch about the iphone

 

[Bishope1999]

A resolution that high is just so pointless. It's actually detrimental. You don't benefit from a clearer picture, but the battery suffers and so does the performance because there are so many pixels to push.

I'd be happy with a 720p screen. Really there is no need for more.

And the same with the camera, megapixel increase. I hope they'll at least include a smart oversampling technology, like Nokia so final images are 5MP but high quality.

It seems manufacturers are just obsessed with bumping up their spec lists with the easiest to upgrade options, without addressing real issues.

What about a battery technology? What about a better camera technology? Will this flagship still ship with a 16GB storage as the lowest capacity model? Isn't it time for 32GB or even 64 to become the lowest entry standard?

Actually, upgrading the screen resolution on the Galaxy S5 to 2560x1440 isn't an "easy upgrade." It's pretty impressive and I'm sure it's not exactly cheap either. If you're happy with a 720p screen, then it's not for you, but others will see an improvement in picture. Not everyone will, some people are perfectly fine with the sub par picture quality of HD streaming, so they will probably not even notice the increase in resolution. But other people will see a difference just as they see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a phone.

It won't be any more resource heavy than the jump from the S3 to the S4. It will have the battery and power to fully run it and there won't be much difference really. Actually it will probably perform even better, same way the S4 performed better than the S3.

As for the cam, they are working on a 16MP Isocell sensor. Should improve, but these phones are so thin that they barely give any room to put a proper camera lens in there. Same goes for the battery. They keep making the phones thinner and keep making the batteries thinner. Give them the option of an advanced battery and they will probably push out an even thinner phone and sacrifice any benefits.

The Note 3 starts at 32GB so that's probably what the base level Galaxy S5 will be.

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People who dont even buy Samsung phones like to complain about them a lot, same can be said with people who bitch about the iphone

Yeah, the Note 3 runs perfectly.

 

[Fernandez21]

I wouldn't say that about the Note 3 running perfectly, it runs fine and after a while you don't even notice the skipped frames, especially if its your only device. But my Moto X and IPhone both run a lot smoother and more consistently than my Note 3, which is saying a lot since the Note 3 has better specs.

 

[tbayrgs]

I have no doubt that a display with a resolution that high on a 5.2" display will be super crisp/clear. The point I'm trying to make is Samsung is solving a problem that nobody is complaining about--can't recall ever hearing/seeing somebody say 'damn, this display just isn't detailed enough." Yet there are plenty of complaints about irregular performance. I don't think I'm going out on a limb in proclaiming TouchWiz as probably the least liked OEM skin.

If they would invest as much energy in trying to stuff as much high end spec hardware and features into developing an optimized, well constructed UI, they wouldn't need to use a supercharged CPU with enough RAM to run a laptop. Give me the stripped down yet smooth experience of the Moto X in the current S4 with even better battery life and I'll show you probably the best phone available on the market.

And just to be clear, I've owned 2 TouchWiz skinned Android devices in the past year so I'm not complaining about something with which I have no first hand experience.

 

[Tubamajuba]

A resolution that high is just so pointless. It's actually detrimental. You don't benefit from a clearer picture, but the battery suffers and so does the performance because there are so many pixels to push.

I'd be happy with a 720p screen. Really there is no need for more.

And the same with the camera, megapixel increase. I hope they'll at least include a smart oversampling technology, like Nokia so final images are 5MP but high quality.

It seems manufacturers are just obsessed with bumping up their spec lists with the easiest to upgrade options, without addressing real issues.

What about a battery technology? What about a better camera technology? Will this flagship still ship with a 16GB storage as the lowest capacity model? Isn't it time for 32GB or even 64 to become the lowest entry standard?

Well, some people just want the phone with the longest checklist of features full of the biggest numbers, regardless of how much it actually improves the user experience.

 

[Mackan]

Bring it on, I say. If we had the Apple milking way, it would take to 2020 to get a quad core and 2 GB of RAM. It's stalling the progress, and I get old.

 

[Bishope1999]

I have no doubt that a display with a resolution that high on a 5.2" display will be super crisp/clear. The point I'm trying to make is Samsung is solving a problem that nobody is complaining about--can't recall ever hearing/seeing somebody say 'damn, this display just isn't detailed enough." Yet there are plenty of complaints about irregular performance. I don't think I'm going out on a limb in proclaiming TouchWiz as probably the least liked OEM skin.

If they would invest as much energy in trying to stuff as much high end spec hardware and features into developing an optimized, well constructed UI, they wouldn't need to use a supercharged CPU with enough RAM to run a laptop. Give me the stripped down yet smooth experience of the Moto X in the current S4 with even better battery life and I'll show you probably the best phone available on the market.

And just to be clear, I've owned 2 TouchWiz skinned Android devices in the past year so I'm not complaining about something with which I have no first hand experience.

The Google play edition of the Galaxy S4 will offer that stripped down and smooth experience you want. Larger battery? You can add an extended battery.

720p wasn't an issue and people weren't screaming for 1080p displays on a phone, in fact, they thought it was pointless. Thankfully, some companies took the steps to upgrade their displays and now 1080p is a standard. It offers a much more detailed and sharper image than 720p phones. Right now, people aren't screaming for 2.5K screens, they think it's pointless, yet by the end of next year, 2.5K will be the standard, people will love it, and they will also argue that 4K on a phone is completely pointless and 2.5K is perfectly fine.

personally, my Galaxy S4 runs perfectly fine with touchwiz on 4.3. But even if it ran less smoothly than the Moto X, the display is far more important to me and I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of performance for a sharper display, then for a slightly smoother performance on a lower resolution display. My priority is the visual experience. Again, my S4 runs perfectly fine, just giving out the example of what my priority is. While your priority is a smooth experience and the visual experience just isn't as important to you, which is why you would choose a Moto X over a 1080p display.

The Galaxy S5 will upgrade the display, offer a more detailed and crisper image, and the performance will even improve. Just use a Note 3 and see how smooth it runs if you haven't. The S5 will improve on all these aspects and people will get a much more detailed image of a 2.5k video then they would on a 2k/1080p or 720p phone display. They will also likely release a stripped down google play edition, not sure if they will update touchwiz or not.


For those people that don't see the visual experience as their priority, they will still have plenty of 1080p and 720p and even below HD iphones, for the people that think HD is unnecessary on a phone, to choose from. Everyone wins

 

[Wiesenlooser]

Why waste that precious battery life at this comically big resolution. No one will see the difference.

 

[Bishope1999]

Why waste that precious battery life at this comically big resolution. No one will see the difference.

If you play a 720p video on a phone with a 720p, 1080p, or 1440p display, you won't see a difference as the higher resolution phones can't magically add information to the visual part of the video because it doesn't have it. But if you play a 1440p video on a phone with a 1440p display, it will produce the most detailed image of the bunch as the video will lose visual information/details as they have to be down converted to 1080p and more so to 720p. A larger battery will be added to this phone, it will not be the same 2600 mAh bettery the S4 currently has . In the end it will perform faster than the S4 and will have a battery life that will last as long or longer then the S4. So why not upgrade the display for those that enjoy the visual experience?

 

[Wiesenlooser]

If you play a 720p video on a phone with a 720p, 1080p, or 1440p display, you won't see a difference as the higher resolution phones can't magically add information to the visual part of the video because it doesn't have it. But if you play a 1440p video on a phone with a 1440p display, it will produce the most detailed image of the bunch as the video will lose visual information/details as they have to be down converted to 1080p and more so to 720p. A larger battery will be added to this phone, it will not be the same 2600 mAh bettery the S4 currently has . In the end it will perform faster than the S4 and will have a battery life that will last as long or longer then the S4. So why not upgrade the display for those that enjoy the visual experience?

That might be true but at a certain point the differences are negligible. I doubt that the human eye can see any difference whatsoever between a 1080p and 1440p display because the ppi already exceeds the capabilities of the human eye resolution wise.


In the end 1440p is simply a bigger resolution which means

a) the processors have to push more pixels and
b) the display will consume more energy

compared to a 1080p. Id rather have an extra hour and a half of battery life instead of a higher res display which actually doesnt even make a difference.

 

[Bishope1999]

That might be true but at a certain point the differences are negligible. I doubt that the human eye can see any difference whatsoever between a 1080p and 1440p display because the ppi already exceeds the capabilities of the human eye resolution wise.


In the end 1440p is simply a bigger resolution which means

a) the processors have to push more pixels and
b) the display will consume more energy

compared to a 1080p. Id rather have an extra hour and a half of battery life instead of a higher res display which actually doesnt even make a difference.

That ppi argument is assuming you sit far enough from a certain size display determined by it's ppi. The problem is that not everyone holds a cellphone hold a 4 inch cellphone almost a foot from the their face. That part of the argument only takes into account that it is a good distance in which you won't be able to see the individual pixels, but regardless if you can or can't see the individual pixels, the higher resolution displays will offer a more detailed image. All those pixels come nicely together, not so you can't see them individually, but to improve the overall display.

Another important fact is the source. The display and OS will be optimized to output the proper resolution, but if you spend most of the time watching youtube or Netflix video and the low quality they offer, sure it won't make a difference on which device you watch it. But if you watch proper 1440p video, then the difference will be noticeable. Sure, to some people the visual experience isn't all that important, and to them, that makes no difference. That's why DVD is still the largest money maker in the media department, but to other people, the visual experience is really important and this display will offer a superior picture quality. To you, the picture quality isn't that important and that's fine. You will continue to have 1080p and 720p phones as well and they will become cheaper too.


With an even large phone, relatively, you will be able to see more of the detail if you want to go down that ppi argument. Also, the same argument can be made that if you drop down the resolution to qHD, you will get an even longer battery life and better performance, but why? The S4 outperformed the S3 and had a longer battery life even with it's increase in resolution and extra power consumption, so I don't see the problem really.

 

[goofy1958]

Just out of curiousity, where do you get 1440p content to view on your phone?

 

[Bishope1999]

Just out of curiousity, where do you get 1440p content to view on your phone?

Having the UI optimized for 2560x1440 and videos you record in 4k will be the most likely source. Also, if youtube allows you to play the higher than 1080p videos, if.

 

[mattopotamus]

Having the UI optimized for 2560x1440 and videos you record in 4k will be the most likely source. Also, if youtube allows you to play the higher than 1080p videos, if.

exactly this. It still may be a little early to jump on the 4k train, but everything will be 4k before too long.