Scalderlake!!! Intel is at it again!!

[lepidotós]

Not really. There is a server that reencodes UTube into format the Amiga can display.

On it's own even a 68060 would struggle to decode 144p UTube.

Fair enough, I should have clarified.​

 

[Technerd108]

So the solution is childish mocking and name-calling and creating sensational but senseless threads?

If only you presented the case without this fervour, citing facts and your thoughts simply, it would have made for a much more reasonable discussion.

You didn’t have to respond.

If I wanted a reasonable discussion I would have obviously not even written this thread!!!

The entire point is to laugh at how ridiculous the many threads on a Mac forum stating that Intel Scalderlake is superior which it isn’t but that is not even the point.

Intel is officially dead on Mac so arguing about how much faster a chip is on a platform that has nothing to do with Macs any more seems just like a pissing or Dick measuring contest. There really isn’t any point to it.

So I am enjoying the ride.

 

[827538]

Learned something! Thank you. This thread was not serious but I do like when a light hearted thread can actually tease out real information about process node not everyone knows like me!
I agree with you. On all points!

I am really actually a fan of Intel as they are one of the only fabs in the US. I do hate their business practices-specially the past few years but ultimately I want them to succeed.

I like AMD but over the years they have burned me in gpu software or bad gpu drivers and back in the Turion 64 days where they were fast but sucked power and heated way up-sound familiar-to Ryzen 3000 series which had horrible gpu drivers. Now the 4000 and 5000 series seem better they still are not good. Intel also just has a lot better software support-specially for Linux. So I would really like to see a 5nm or better-since you are saying they are at 7nm even though Intel said 10nm on Tigerlake and I don't see a big density or ipc difference but I honestly don't know for sure-cpu as I think a lot of thermal and wattage issues might start to get significantly better.

Glad you found it interesting.

I'm not a fan of Intel, it was arguably their extremely shady business practices that harmed AMD so badly that left AMD on the brink of bankruptcy and unable to compete which harmed the entire industry (along with a few AMD missteps).

Samsung, TSMC, and Global Foundries also have fabs in the US and are in the process of building more. TSMC just keeps its leading edge fabs in Taiwan (sometimes called Taiwan's silicon shield). Intel deserve to suffer but I also value competition and ideally I'd like to see a pretty even 50-50 market share between AMD and Intel in the x86 world.

In the past Nvidia definitely had an advantage in drivers but these days I find both to be quite comparable (I've been building computers with both for 20 years). I'm hoping AMD can start competing better with Nvidia on the GPU front with their cash and relationship with TSMC.

Intel's real world TDP's have become outrageous, as they are desperately trying to produce something to compete with AMD whilst having a worse uArch and process which means they are left with cranking up the volts and creating very hot and power hungry chips. Meanwhile AMD can work to continue to refine Zen, add more cores with relative ease and then produce it on a better process without sacrificing yields.

AMD was in a mess of Intel's making. Now Intel is in a mess of their own making and I have little sympathy.

If you are interested in this stuff I recommend you read semiaccurate.com, it's like having a crystal ball for the semiconductor world. Long term I think x86 will eventually die off as efficiency always wins out. The real question is will RISC-V come to be the dominant ISA or will ARM64?

 

[Technerd108]

Glad you found it interesting.

I'm not a fan of Intel, it was arguably their extremely shady business practices that harmed AMD so badly that left AMD on the brink of bankruptcy and unable to compete which harmed the entire industry (along with a few AMD missteps).

Samsung, TSMC, and Global Foundries also have fabs in the US and are in the process of building more. TSMC just keeps its leading edge fabs in Taiwan (sometimes called Taiwan's silicon shield). Intel deserve to suffer but I also value competition and ideally I'd like to see a pretty even 50-50 market share between AMD and Intel in the x86 world.

In the past Nvidia definitely had an advantage in drivers but these days I find both to be quite comparable (I've been building computers with both for 20 years). I'm hoping AMD can start competing better with Nvidia on the GPU front with their cash and relationship with TSMC.

Intel's real world TDP's have become outrageous, as they are desperately trying to produce something to compete with AMD whilst having a worse uArch and process which means they are left with cranking up the volts and creating very hot and power hungry chips. Meanwhile AMD can work to continue to refine Zen, add more cores with relative ease and then produce it on a better process without sacrificing yields.

AMD was in a mess of Intel's making. Now Intel is in a mess of their own making and I have little sympathy.

If you are interested in this stuff I recommend you read semiaccurate.com, it's like having a crystal ball for the semiconductor world. Long term I think x86 will eventually die off as efficiency always wins out. The real question is will RISC-V come to be the dominant ISA or will ARM64?

Thank you! I can't wait to check out semi accurate.com, Semi accurate sounds like my life. Lol

 

[throAU]

Sounds like the guy in that thread is GPU bound and is comparing 900 watts of desktop class GPUs to ... an integrated laptop GPU running under 100 watts (GPU-only wise, likely 30-45 watts).

ok then


I mean fair enough if you need the power you need the power, but you can't compare performance at those two vastly different power levels.


edit:
it's like me bragging that my litre sports bike is faster than a scooter. I mean sure, but...

 

[macintoshmac]

Glad you found it interesting.

I'm not a fan of Intel, it was arguably their extremely shady business practices that harmed AMD so badly that left AMD on the brink of bankruptcy and unable to compete which harmed the entire industry (along with a few AMD missteps).

So true. AMD fought it out and has been doing good work.

 

[macintoshmac]

So I am enjoying the ride.

Enjoy it while it lasts. It’s all that can be done.

 

[decafjava]

Pretty sure we’d all need a stationary bike to start our mornings. That’s why I love my M1 so much. I have a 2019 i9 iMac, but I can get 90% done with the M1 and charge the battery for free.

As you can see from my sig I still have a 2015 iMac (which still runs very well for what I need thank you very much) but I am really looking forward to when I upgrade to Apple silicon - and from my experience with my 13 Pro Max I think it will be incredible.

P.S. I hope you are feeling OK Levi Heijo sorry about my half-brother and the thunder spear.

 

[827538]

As you can see from my sig I still have a 2015 iMac (which still runs very well for what I need thank you very much) but I am really looking forward to when I upgrade to Apple silicon - and from my experience with my 13 Pro Max I think it will be incredible.

P.S. I hope you are feeling OK Levi Heijo sorry about my half-brother and the thunder spear.

13 Pro and 14" M1 Pro user here - you won't be disappointed. I came from an iPhone 6S and 2016 fanless MacBook and it was staggering how big an improvement things were. Apple's silicon is arguably the best in the world.

 

[lepidotós]

As you can see from my sig I still have a 2015 iMac (which still runs very well for what I need thank you very much)

Is 2015 really that long ago? I have a 2011 i5-2400 (not a Mac, an HP) that served me well through 2020, and I'm sure will still do fine now.​

 

[MBAir2010]

 

[satcomer]

M1 Max Temperature runs at 100C+ so it's related to Scalderlake.

That's a Max temp! Meanwhile users of Intel chips now have to use water cooling them so they don't over heat and melt board it's on and/or heat up a large room!

 

[MBAir2010]

That's a Max temp! Meanwhile users of Intel chips now have to use water cooling them so they don't over heat and melt board it's on and/or heat up a large room!

and melt polar icecaps!

 

[mi7chy]

That's a Max temp! Meanwhile users of Intel chips now have to use water cooling them so they don't over heat and melt board it's on and/or heat up a large room!

Where do you see Scalder Lake laptop that uses water cooling? Preliminary data on YouTube shows 91C @ 117W turbo mode and 83C @ 73W performance mode so almost as hot as ~100C M1 Max Temperature. For comparison, desktop 5950x is 60C @ 110W base clock and 64C @ 122W boost clock with air cooling.

 

[satcomer]

Where do you see Scalder Lake laptop that uses water cooling? Preliminary data on YouTube shows 91C @ 117W turbo mode and 83C @ 73W performance mode so almost as hot as ~100C M1 Max Temperature. For comparison, desktop 5950x is 60C @ 110W base clock and 64C @ 122W boost clock with air cooling.

 

[Technerd108]

This is the best photo ever!!!!!!

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No Kitty that's my pot pie!

 

[Technerd108]

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