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You're right to do so. It is always better to be safe than sorry.

Thanks, Jaro. :)

One of my most memorable "The People's Court" cases involved this young punk who placed several Ebay auctions for an iPod...I suppose under different accounts. His reason for selling was, allegedly, that he received 2 iPods for his birthday and only needed one. In each case, the buyer received nothing but an envelope with a bunch of newspapers stuck inside.

The kid was slick in that the weight of the newspapers was very close to the weight of the envelope had it actually had an iPod inside. Judge Millian threw the book at the kid.

My other favorite court show Ebay case was this one from Judge Judy in which an Ebay seller listed a cell phone and only sent a picture of the phone. Embedded in the listing was the verbiage that you were buying a picture of the phone, or some such nonsense. Judge Judy nailed the scammer by reading the listing closely, and noticing that under the "specs" that the scammer had listed the actual weight of the phone...

GREAT case...VERY entertaining...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2nziuS-6g
 
It had more to do with how they spelled "actual" and "expedited". I felt nobody this ignorant had any business owning an ipad. I was right.

Come on, thats crap. I see worse on MR alone.

Hope you get your cash back.
 
Paypal has been pretty good to me when it comes to buying things online an never receiving them. Just takes a week or two because they try to contact the seller. In my case, the seller never responded, case closed, got my money back.
 
I got scammed a few years back. Sold a GPS online for around $600 on ebay. Followed the rules the best I could tell, but they weren't nearly as clear then as they are now.

The money transferred to my account, I shipped - as soon as it arrived the money was reversed from my account back to the buyer's bc they didn't have enough money in their bank account to cover the cost.

This was when paypal didn't express all the ins and outs of buyer/seller protection and when they didn't tell you that your order was ok and ready to be shipped. I never did get my GPS back and never did get the money. Called the local police and the police in the area where the buyer lived, none of them cared.
 
You see, the problem with paypal is that they are too narrow minded, and can't think outside their guidelines in case of eventualities.

I once bought a cordless phone from a power seller. The phone arrived and it was clearly faulty. You could hear A LOT of interference from the headsets. Plus the box was damaged, it looked like it was opened then sealed again (I supposedly bought a 100% new item).

Paypal asked me to return, on my charge, the item to the seller with a courier that supported tracking. I did, spent 30 euro in returning the item to the US (I'm in Spain).

You know what the guy did? He didn't pick it up until the paypal deadline was over!! So paypal CLOSED my case, the seller recovered his faulty item, kept ALL my money, and then I lost some more due to the delivery charges.

I kept trying to make Paypal understand that this guy was scamming paypal themselves as well as me.. but no way.. they would not stop to think.. all they said was "you haven't proved that you returned the item to the seller and therefore your case is closed".

I was WELL pissed after losing 250+ euro.

Just remember that PayPal see cheating both ways so you are asking them to believe your story over the sellers.
 
This is why I haven't used eBay for years. Too many scammers. The potential savings are not worth the risk and hassle. I use kijiji and craigslist a lot and have never been ripped off as a buyer or seller.
 
I once bought a hard-drive from Ebay, and 3 weeks later when I still hadn't received it despite the guy telling me he'd sent it, I informed PayPal that I'd been scammed and they took the money from the guy no questions asked, the next day my hard drive arrived, having spent 3 weeks in Narnia... Oops...
 
I once bought a hard-drive from Ebay, and 3 weeks later when I still hadn't received it despite the guy telling me he'd sent it, I informed PayPal that I'd been scammed and they took the money from the guy no questions asked, the next day my hard drive arrived, having spent 3 weeks in Narnia... Oops...

So basically you scammed a guy out of his hard drive?
 
eBay is perfectly safe IF you follow PayPal and eBay rules. You are always protected, scam or not.

600 sales and purchases and never got scammed:p
 
You see, the problem with paypal is that they are too narrow minded, and can't think outside their guidelines in case of eventualities.

I once bought a cordless phone from a power seller. The phone arrived and it was clearly faulty. You could hear A LOT of interference from the headsets. Plus the box was damaged, it looked like it was opened then sealed again (I supposedly bought a 100% new item).

Paypal asked me to return, on my charge, the item to the seller with a courier that supported tracking. I did, spent 30 euro in returning the item to the US (I'm in Spain).

You know what the guy did? He didn't pick it up until the paypal deadline was over!! So paypal CLOSED my case, the seller recovered his faulty item, kept ALL my money, and then I lost some more due to the delivery charges.

I kept trying to make Paypal understand that this guy was scamming paypal themselves as well as me.. but no way.. they would not stop to think.. all they said was "you haven't proved that you returned the item to the seller and therefore your case is closed".

I was WELL pissed after losing 250+ euro.


Sorry but this makes no sense. Once you open a case, it remains open until there is a resolution. The passing of 45 days is not a factor, and the item does not sit waiting to be delivered forever (it should have come back to you if not picked up in a reasonable amount of time).

If you can show it was picked up, or that it was not picked up over a period of reasonable time, you should have been refunded your money. If you know that the product was eventually picked up, then you did not press the point with paypal or with ebay.

Some information is missing here.
 
This is why I haven't used eBay for years. Too many scammers. The potential savings are not worth the risk and hassle. I use kijiji and craigslist a lot and have never been ripped off as a buyer or seller.

There are still plenty of good sellers on eBay. You just need to be careful and check their transaction history.
 
I'm sure there are more good experiences than bad ones on eBay but I have been scammed 5 times out of 10 and thus have left them behind for good as a buyer.

I still sell on there.....had a few buyer/scammers who conducted fraudulent or bogus chargebacks on me via Paypal (the infamous "all you sent me was a empty box" claim which is hard to dispute, even with picture evidence) but I seldom sell anything expensive and refuse expedited shipping to keep my potential losses down.

For expensive items, I always use Craigslist, cash and a pubic venue.
 
For expensive items, I always use Craigslist, cash and a pubic venue.

Exactly. That's how I sold my 3Gs after I got the iPhone 4. Went to a mall parking lot and took my dog (along with 'personal protection'). Transaction went smoothly.
 
If I remember correctly, you can start a dispute at any time over a non-received item. Usually they rumble on for a few weeks, however as he is no longer a registered user you will automatically 'win' and the cash PayPal is holding in escrow will be returned to you.

That was the process a few years ago anyway...
 
Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago over some $20 worth of chinese underwear LMAO
But paypal gave me money back within two weeks :p
 
Sucks to be scammed, but PayPal's got ya back :) As with the legitimacy of eBay, I've bought about a dozen items, ranging from $5 to $100+, and all times it's been a good experience. Just choose the right sellers, and you'll be good.
 
Just remember that PayPal see cheating both ways so you are asking them to believe your story over the sellers.

Not really. All I was begging paypal to do was to wait a little bit longer until the seller received the item. Basically the guy didn't pick it up. I had the proof of sending, it had his address and all his details, and all my post office could give me was a letter saying the destination post office was waiting for the recipient to pick it up.

All I was asking paypal to do was maintain the case open until either the parcel was picked it or returned to me.
 
Sorry but this makes no sense. Once you open a case, it remains open until there is a resolution. The passing of 45 days is not a factor, and the item does not sit waiting to be delivered forever (it should have come back to you if not picked up in a reasonable amount of time).

If you can show it was picked up, or that it was not picked up over a period of reasonable time, you should have been refunded your money. If you know that the product was eventually picked up, then you did not press the point with paypal or with ebay.

Some information is missing here.

Hi, there was indeed a resolution. The resolution was that the seller was to return my money as soon as he received his item back.

Paypal requests the item to be returned to the seller using a trackable courier service. I don't remember how long the deadline is but there is a deadline. If Paypal has not checked your item as "delivered" through the courier company, then they will close the case.

What the seller did was wait until this deadline was over, so paypal had already closed the case, and then he picked up the parcel. I guess he was lucky enough to have a small window of opportunity between the paypal deadline was over and the parcel was about to be returned to me. I don't know how he did it… normally in Spain if you don't pick a parcel in 15 working days, it goes back to the sender.

The problem was that the post office refused to do anything since it had already handed in the parcel to USPS.. so according to them it was all on USPS hands, eventhough I paid for the courier service (insured for 300$) and not a normal postal delivery.

Also talked to USPS and they refused to even listen to me because I wasn't their client (meaning that I paid the spanish post, not USPS for the delivery), blaming everything on the spanish post.

I talked several times to paypal and they kept on saying there was nothing they could do and even if the seller didn't pick it up, they couldn't keep the case open.

That's how Paypal (Europe) works.. at least here in the EU.
I haven't used ebay since.. I try to buy everything I need off Amazon or other accountable shops.


Ps: I re-checked my emails back and forth with Paypal and now remember exactly what happened and how he managed. Basically the parcel was kept at US customs in New York waiting for the seller to pay the customs taxes! Apparently US customs waits for a couple of months before returning the item, so the seller had plenty of time to wait for Paypal to close my case, then he paid the tax and get the item delivered.
When I asked Paypal whether the seller should pay the import tax, they said it was the seller's responsability to pay the taxes. I just couldn't get the post company to demonstrate or certify that the item was being hold at customs.
 
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I haven't used ebay since.. I try to buy everything I need off Amazon or other accountable shops.

Actually, that's a good point. If you check, a vast majority of the sellers on Amazon marketplace are cross-posting their same wares for sale on eBay. Amazon offers a guarantee on most of them. I had one purchase of these little remote control cars last year. It wasn't a big purchase, maybe $35 + $10 shipping total. But the cars showed up, had obviously been opened and repackaged as "new" and neither of them worked. I contacted the seller, got a royal runaround on a refund but he offered to exchange them for me for working models. Only catch was he wanted me to pay to ship the defective ones back first with his RA number on the box using his shipping carrier. That was another $20. I figured what the heck and did it (my son really REALLY wanted these little cars).

The bastard received the products but claimed I wrote the wrong RA number on the box (I didn't...wrote it exactly as he requested) and refused the return on that basis. So now I'm out my product entirely and $65. At that point, I complained to Amazon and they not only INSTANTLY refunded my entire $65 THAT DAY, they gave me a free subscription to Prime and that seller is no longer listed there. Later research showed me he was pretty popular on eBay although had less than stellar ratings.

Honestly, there is almost nothing available on eBay you can't find somewhere else for the same price and with far more consumer protection. I think people really enjoy the auctioning process and the feeling of "winning" something but most auctions I've actually won I realized later I could have gotten the same item at the same price locally once you figured in shipping costs and my time spent on the auction. Or, again...just go Craigslist and bargain directly with the seller.
 
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