yes thats right, because Maps got fixed overnight when they removed Forstall from the product... 
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Exactly. You can agree with either side of the skeuomorphism debate - my guess is we're going to see a bit more mean-reversion, but that it's mostly settled. But yeah, Forstall coming back would have much greater significance.
When Steve was on his death-bed, he had a choice. Scott, who was passionate and creative, and also an aggressive personality - just like himself, or, Tim, who was a calm, collected, master logistician who could keep the trains running. Steve went with Tim, the conservative choice, which was arguably what Apple needed at the time. Apple had grown tremendously in a short time, and stability was needed in the years ahead.
You can make a good argument that the iPhone growth has mostly played itself out, and that Apple might need a Steve/Scott type creative personality again at this point. Everyone's hair is on fire from the iPhone sales dip, and while it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be, the fact is that you can simultaneously say that Tim did his job well at the time Apple needed him, and that what Apple might need now is Scott.
That's quite zenful. Thinking about it, your right, different people for different times.. just like Steve. the early 90's Steve wasn't good as it was as the early 2000's steve.
I don't necessarily want skeuomorphic back , but i would like glossy, shiny, icons with depth. Buttons that stand out as buttons and not just text, and i want controls back on screen NOT hidden. I got my grandmother an iPad 2 back on iOS 6 she took to it very quickly and with ease, now its infuriating watching her use a newer iPad on iOS 12 as menu's get hidden and she does not know how to pull down or left or right or front the bottom of the screen she just gets confused when things disappear . Even the control centre moving from pull up from the bottom to pull down from the top from iOS 11 to 12 confused a few people i know and the Air Play controls constantly changing with each version annoys me.
Overall the GUI in many ways was just better designed on older iOS, and skeuomorphic helped those who are completely not technical or computer literate figure out what does what.
Overall the GUI in many ways was just better designed on older iOS, and skeuomorphic helped those who are completely not technical or computer literate figure out what does what.
I know I'm in the minority, but I genuinely loved skeuomorphism; it's how Mac OS caught my eye initially. However, in hindsight, I think iOS 6 pushed it a tad too far and looks dated now. Former Apple employee Louie Mantia offered his own take on the iOS redesign back in 2013, and to me it looks like the perfect fusion of the two styles:
I'll bet you BOTH LOVE Time Machine though
I'll bet you BOTH love what developers bring with XCode ... yes he worked on an early version of that at NeXT!
I'll bet you love Maps better now versus when it debuted, just like you may like Siri now vs when it first launched, or OSX before Federighi made it only a UI improved platform. Ever notice now MAJOR under the hood improvements to OSX (ahem ~ silently spoken here macOS) are no longer announced just UI improvements?
He did have a LOT better confidence and stage presence than many of his peers, without the need for a joke of a nickname.
I don’t touch Apple maps with a barge pole! I heard it improved slightly AFTER he left Apple.
Xcode - you mean Project Builder at Next? XCode still lacks compared to its peers today, in regards to code-writing features ). XCode was a relief when it first launched, only because PB was so dated and old. I first used PB around 2001/2. Having used other IDEs such as those from Borland and Jetbrains I was stunned how bad Project Builder was, it wasn’t much better than a good text editor! ( excluding Interface Builder )
I’m more interested in how someone does their day to day job that how someone presents themselves on stage once per year.
Apple overall is still better off without him.
Xcode - you mean Project Builder at Next? XCode still lacks compared to its peers today, in regards to code-writing features ). XCode was a relief when it first launched, only because PB was so dated and old. I first used PB around 2001/2. Having used other IDEs such as those from Borland and Jetbrains I was stunned how bad Project Builder was, it wasn’t much better than a good text editor! ( excluding Interface Builder )
I’m more interested in how someone does their day to day job that how someone presents themselves on stage once per year.
Apple overall is still better off without him.
I'll bet you BOTH LOVE Time Machine though
I'll bet you BOTH love what developers bring with XCode ... yes he worked on an early version of that at NeXT!
I'll bet you love Maps better now versus when it debuted, just like you may like Siri now vs when it first launched, or OSX before Federighi made it only a UI improved platform. Ever notice now MAJOR under the hood improvements to OSX (ahem ~ silently spoken here macOS) are no longer announced just UI improvements?
He did have a LOT better confidence and stage presence than many of his peers, without the need for a joke of a nickname.
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Been thinking about it lately(again).... and i wonder if, having both of them, Tim and Scott might be an ideal solution? Tim can manage the delivery pipeline, manufacturing and that side of the business, and Scott could oversee product development.
Maybe, Tim+Scott is closer to an "ideal" solution that just one of them alone?
The downside being.... who would be the 'tie breaker'?
I watched this presentation a couple of years ago. It's Scott talking at the Computer History Museum about the development of the iPhone.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that it is the best Apple-centric presentation i've seen since Steve Jobs passed away.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that it is the best Apple-centric presentation i've seen since Steve Jobs passed away.
That was already tried. It didn't work because Scott couldn't take anything but CEO due to being a Steve personality. Steve himself left (being subordinate to a CEO), just like Scott. And he came back with being CEO in mind. Tim can't be expected to go from CEO to being under Scott, so if Scott did come back it would be as CEO, and it would have to be post-Tim. Hopefully the reason Scott comes back won't be the reason Jobs came back... But it almost seems like the only scenario. A Jobs replay. Or maybe Apple shifts gears under Tim. Too early to call it of course.
