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epicrayban

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My question is why would someone get butt hurt over a post about an alternative to ios in the alternative to ios devices? I don't get it, unless it's insecurity.

This was probably posted in the iPhone section then got moved to the Alternatives section.

But you do hit on a bigger point here in the Alt section. You'll find some here who have outright said they will never consider alternatives to the iPhone but will still visit the Alt forum just to "debate" others. Often, these are people who haven't even owned Android/Windows devices. They are literally arguing from a point of ignorance. These people are trolls and should be ignored.
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Absolutely!

Add gesture control with Nova Prime where you can tap, double tap, one/two finger slide, tap and slide etc. to navigate to any part of the OS and any app, and then going back to the iOS way of navigation feels like you have both your arms amputated.

I don't use much of the gestures in my Nova Prime set up, but I feel you. Nova is an amazing launcher.
 
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Apple_Robert

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My question is why would someone get butt hurt over a post about an alternative to ios in the alternative to ios devices? I don't get it, unless it's insecurity.
As for me, my butt doesn't hurt and hasn't in many, many years. I am also not suffering from a cranial rectal infarction, in case your were alluding to the possibility of such. If anyone here is suffering from some kind of butt hurt, it would behoove them to see a proctologist, in my opinion.

The thread was in the iPhone forum when I posted.
 
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BeforeTheMeds

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This was probably posted in the iPhone section then got moved to the Alternatives section.

But you do hit on a bigger point here in the Alt section. You'll find some here who have outright said they will never consider alternatives to the iPhone but will still visit the Alt forum just to "debate" others. Often, these are people who haven't even owned Android/Windows devices. They are literally arguing from a point of ignorance. These people are trolls and should be ignored.

Ah, I see. I used to read in here quite a bit long ago before I had an account but quit because of the trolling.

I don't use much of the gestures in my Nova Prime set up, but I feel you. Nova is an amazing launcher.

I've had nova prime pretty much since the beginning, long before I mad the change to iphone, and it's still great. I have several more premium but keep going back to nova.
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As for me, my butt doesn't hurt and hasn't in many, many years. I am also not suffering from a cranial rectal infarction, in case your were alluding to the possibility of such. If anyone here is suffering from some kind of butt hurt, it would behoove them to see a proctologist, in my opinion.

The thread was in the iPhone forum when I posted.

You might want to get that insecurity checked out at the very least.

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Ah, I see. I used to read in here quite a bit long ago before I had an account but quit because of the trolling.



I've had nova prime pretty much since the beginning, long before I mad the change to iphone, and it's still great. I have several more premium but keep going back to nova.
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You might want to get that insecurity checked out at the very least.
I am not insecure nor have I posted anything in this thread or any other thread, that denotes an 'air' of insecurity. I don't need to be psychoanalyzed, especially by some 'arm chair' internet Psychologist wannabe, who doesn't appear to know what he is talking about, when it comes to my psychological make up. I have no reason to be insecure. Posting a view that is contrary to the OP's modus operandi (in and of itself) does not make one insecure.

My post to the OP was on subject. It did not violate the rules as far as I am aware of. If you have any other problems with my posts in this thread or any other, report the appropriate posts to the moderators for consideration. I have nothing more to say to you.
 

epicrayban

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Just got my 10.2.1 update on my iPhone -- I still can't believe you can only download and install updates over WiFi. Meanwhile, the Pixel not only allows you to use your data as you see fit, but software updates install in the background, needing only a quick reboot.

I haven't downloaded many large apps yet on my iPhone, but does Apple still force you to use WiFi to download large apps? If so, that really blows my mind. I've brought this up before, what if I have unlimited data or my data cycle has restarted for the month? Or worse, what if I just plain want/need an app that they deem is too large to download and I'm not near WiFi? I'm basically screwed.

The world's most advanced mobile operating system... that treats you like a child.


EDIT: Yep, any app over 100MB has to be downloaded via WiFi.
 
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Just got my 10.2.1 update on my iPhone -- I still can't believe you can only download and install updates over WiFi. Meanwhile, the Pixel not only allows you to use your data as you see fit, but software updates install in the background, needing only a quick reboot.

I haven't downloaded many large apps yet on my iPhone, but does Apple still force you to use WiFi to download large apps? If so, that really blows my mind. I've brought this up before, what if I have unlimited data or my data cycle has restarted for the month? Or worse, what if I just plain want/need an app that they deem is too large to download and I'm not near WiFi? I'm basically screwed.

The world's most advanced mobile operating system... that treats you like a child.


EDIT: Yep, any app over 100MB has to be downloaded via WiFi.
It doesn't treat you like a child. That is just plain ridiculous.

It treats you like it is 2008. And you should also be thankful you can even download and install an OS update without iTunes. How privileged we have become! /s



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Zaft

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Just got my 10.2.1 update on my iPhone -- I still can't believe you can only download and install updates over WiFi. Meanwhile, the Pixel not only allows you to use your data as you see fit, but software updates install in the background, needing only a quick reboot.

I haven't downloaded many large apps yet on my iPhone, but does Apple still force you to use WiFi to download large apps? If so, that really blows my mind. I've brought this up before, what if I have unlimited data or my data cycle has restarted for the month? Or worse, what if I just plain want/need an app that they deem is too large to download and I'm not near WiFi? I'm basically screwed.

The world's most advanced mobile operating system... that treats you like a child.


EDIT: Yep, any app over 100MB has to be downloaded via WiFi.
Yes its stupid, apple is afraid of someone going to the news and saying "Look! I was charged over my limit because..... Apple!!"
[doublepost=1487953299][/doublepost]Also why the heck did apple allow you to remove stock apps but not replace them? Hopefully 3rd party defaults are coming in IOS 11 but it should have been done already.

If I uninstall maps for example it should not ask "Do you want to redownload maps?" when I follow a directions link.
 
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iSheep5S

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Already posted in this thread but that's me back on android. Tried to dual mobile by buying a mid range Samsung to accompany my iPhone 7 but... I can't bring myself to put the sim in the iP7 again. iOS on iPad is fine but iOS for mobile.... yawn.

Just to ad, midrange android mobiles really have came on. I have a Samsung Galaxy A3 6 2016. Apart from low light camera performance being meh it's a snappy device with a metal and glass build. Great battery life and an Amoled display. Felt a bit ripped off dining on flagships like the S7 etc.

Live and learn. Unsure where I'm going now but likely the iPhone will go. My Apple Watch is already on eBay. Pad and Mac seems to be the constant keepers.

EDIT, I went back to the S7... Tech costs when your indecisive...
 
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pixel_junkie

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Yes its stupid, apple is afraid of someone going to the news and saying "Look! I was charged over my limit because..... Apple!!"
[doublepost=1487953299][/doublepost]Also why the heck did apple allow you to remove stock apps but not replace them? Hopefully 3rd party defaults are coming in IOS 11 but it should have been done already.

If I uninstall maps for example it should not ask "Do you want to redownload maps?" when I follow a directions link.

This is my biggest beef with iOS. "Here, have a nice $7-800 new phone but we still get to tell you what you use on it and what you don't."
 
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Wildo6882

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This is my biggest beef with iOS. "Here, have a nice $7-800 new phone but we still get to tell you what you use on it and what you don't."

That's seriously one of my biggest issues with Apple and iOS. It's my phone. Let me use MY phone how I want. If I want Chrome to be my browser - let me! If I want to chew through my data plan for an OS update or app update - let me! The lockdown drives me absolutely insane. If it wasn't for the stability and support from Apple, I wouldn't even consider an Apple device.
 
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pixel_junkie

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That's seriously one of my biggest issues with Apple and iOS. It's my phone. Let me use MY phone how I want. If I want Chrome to be my browser - let me! If I want to chew through my data plan for an OS update or app update - let me! The lockdown drives me absolutely insane. If it wasn't for the stability and support from Apple, I wouldn't even consider an Apple device.
Stability and support you'd get in a Pixel, just as good if not better. Google have everything to prove at the moment.
 
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epicrayban

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Stability and support you'd get in a Pixel, just as good if not better. Google have everything to prove at the moment.

I honestly think the Pixel update method is better.

This is what you get:

1) Monthly security updates for 3 years.

2) Two years' worth of major OS updates. That usually means two alphabet versions, and a few mini x.x.1 updates. Two years is fair and about as long as I'd keep a phone anyway. If you're on this forum reading this post, I'd wager you're someone who would be itching for a new phone by the two year mark, too.

3) Rolling updates. If there are bugs or issues, not everyone is affected right away. It's a bit of a slower process, but I'm all for a little caution. I don't need first round bugs to cause me any hiccups -- small or big -- just to say I get updates on day one.

4) How they do software updates is perfect. Seamlessly downloads in the background, then when ready, notifies you with an option to restart. No need to be on WiFi, no need to sit through misc load times, no fuss. Just works.

And perhaps most importantly:

5) Core app updates via the Play store. This move, I would say, is one of the best decisions Google has made for Android. Gradually migrating most of their core apps to be updated via the Play Store is perfect and helps get new features and general improvements to as many different devices as possible. And they happen rather frequently. If it's not Gmail, then it's Google Maps. If not Maps, Gboard. If not that, YouTube or Keep. Etc. All year long. Your phone's core Google experience gets better and better throughout the year. And this is for as long as your Android OS can support the Play Store, which is usually a very long time.
 

5105973

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Now that android has reached stability that mirrors iOS, anyone thinking about dropping iOS?

So many phones have caught my attention in the last couple years, HTC One, Galaxy S7 Edge, Pixel etc, and being that I've been with iPhone since iPhone 4 on Verizon, anyone else feel like me and want a different experience?
Not trying to sound snobbish, just wish iOS would CHANGE, not just 'refine'.
Go for it! I just hope you won't end up stuck in the middle like me. I love both iOS and Android devices.

With Android, the feel is very different between manufacturers and sometimes between models from the same manufacturer depending on how they chose to modify Android. My HTC 10 is incredibly different from my Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge. Even the two Samsungs feel different because the Edge has special Edge modifications.

My HTC 10 was almost an iPhone killer for me. It's a much better phone with better call clarity. The camera is good. I think my iPhone 7 Plus camera is my favorite out of all the smart phone cameras I'm using, but the HTC 10 could still have served me well as my only smart phone camera. I got it when they were selling it for $525 and at times it's gone as low as $499.

So with Android phones you can get so much value for your money. Deals, freebies, generous inclusions of little extras like free insurance for a year make you feel a bit shaken down when you compare it to the penny pinching ways of Apple...and Google. Google is so annoying for copying Apple strategy, in my opinion. You pay too much for what you're getting so far. Maybe by Pixel 2 when service and more features are added, it will feel more like a solid value.

Where I got frustrated in my personal Android experience was in the oddest little things. They aren't deal breakers, just things that made me stay on the fence between iOS and Android because I can.

Just simple user interface details like the fact that on Android you have to swipe to turn off your alarm. In iOS you just touch the onscreen "button". One morning I somehow swiped the alarm interface away on my HTC 10 so I could not find it. Yet the alarm kept blaring. This is not something I EVER wanted to deal with again half asleep and without my morning coffee or tea. I don't know if it's possible to have that same accident on a Samsung, though. Again, different "flavors" of the Android experience from different manufacturers can vastly affect your individual experience of Android.

I have the worlds worst fingerprints. Only my HTC 10 and my iPhone 7 Plus can read my fingerprints over 80-90% of the time. Samsung almost never can. Well there's some "feature" on Marshmallow and Nougat that actually locks you out of even trying to unlock your phone if your first few attempts at print reading fail, with each failure adding larger increments of time on the lockout timer. It's a long complicated explanation of exactly the frustrations I've had with this "feature" until I turned off fingerprint scanning on my Samsung. So moving right along...

With Apple, if your prints fail the option to enter the passcode just pops up so fast it's easy to get into your phone without thinking about it too much.

I also much prefer Apple news to any news aggregator I've found for my Androids or that's built into my HtC. I get less tabloid-like headlines on Apple and would have to dig harder to find headlines on Elvis-Turnip hybrid Clones from Nirbiru, for example. On my HTC 10 somehow, some way, I was getting quite the education on all the latest and greatest conspiracies and all the most gory murders. But mainstream news headlines were getting buried. :confused: I have tried and tried to fix that but there's a few things I can't seem to customize on the news app built into their Sense UI.

Unfortunately neither platform seems capable of recognizing that news of Beyoncé being pregnant with twins is NOT actual news and should never ever interrupt my dinner with a breaking news notification about it. They did that the first time she became pregnant, too. Wtf? I know she's some weird sort of Illuminati Queen of pop music or something but...jeez. Lord help me, if mainstream news starts considering Miley Cyrus worthy of breaking news bulletins, I WILL seriously consider becoming Amish.

I find crashes to home pages to run about equal between iOS and Android Marshmallow. I haven't had Nougat long enough to be sure yet. I do tend to have slightly more camera app glitches on Samsung. So does my husband. But I've had a few on iOS, too.

Why you should go for it? Because you want to make yourself independent so that when the perfect deal comes along to match your needs and circumstances, you can feel confident jumping on it. The last thing you want to do is make a platform jump because a budget crisis or some other problems necessitates it. Do it while it's fun, leisurely and you are in a good state of mind to try something new because you want to, not because you have to.

The problem with iOS dependence is that Apple is the only vendor and if they start making decisions that will hurt your finances or your use case, you are stuck. When they took off the headphone jack, they screwed me over for certain scenarios where I still rely on it.

With Android, if Samsung starts screwing me over in customer service or price, I can try OnePlus or HTC or Huawei or LG or Google and so on.
 

rbrian

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My recent down sides to android after 2 years, a Galaxy S5 then the S7. I swapped to the iPhone 7 but had/have a soft spot for android so... I have been trying to get a play around cheap android phone but two low end phones and two different experiences.

Inconsistent scrolling where on instgram it jumps past posts and I have to scroll back. Same with Facebook. Cheap android only. Not true of S7.

In the U.K. I love the daily mail app. On iOS the ads in apps are tolerable if there at all. On android the ad flashes at the bottom and almost makes me want to uninstall. Or at least look for a paid option. Cheap and S7.

Chrome. The holy browser on my 8 CORE SAMSUNG GALAXY S7 WITH 4GB RAM jumped about loading ads. Here is me starting to read the article and... hop... ad... scroll to the place I was... hop again to disorientation. Grrr!

I had been using my iPad most of the day ignoring my data off S7. Went to bed without bothering with it. Starting using it the next day at work. Upon getting a internet connection it goes mental giving me every weekend notification I never used it for. God forbid I have a couple of eBay listings ending... like it's possessed.

I am enjoying how clean iOS is. If you were coding I'm sure you would rather code for a handful of devices and get a better result than for 11,000 last time I heard. Flip side? Still love android. ;)
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Just realised your in Aberdeen. Hello neighbour.

How is the scrolling on the BLU? I wish I took a video of my above point on cheap android scrolling. Instagram seemed to want to brake for each post but failed and stopped short or flew by. Same with Facebook. Chrome after loaded and twitter didn't have the issue. Still looking for a cheap android. Returned both of the cheap ones I got local. Failed to buy the BLU because of the one star amazon reviews. Cheers!
It's slow, and worse than that when I take my finger off the screen (because it reached the bottom) then start scrolling again, it sometimes interprets that - two actions separated by half a second - as a two-finger tap, or even pinch zoom, which is maddening. I put it down to the poor specs; slow processor, minimal ram. My iPhone 7 is also poor on sites with ads - even with an ad blocker installed. I only have one now, the other was too aggressive and blocked content. The remaining one doesn't seem to block anything, and the same jumping about randomly behaviour you're describing occurs.
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Just got my 10.2.1 update on my iPhone -- I still can't believe you can only download and install updates over WiFi. Meanwhile, the Pixel not only allows you to use your data as you see fit, but software updates install in the background, needing only a quick reboot.

I haven't downloaded many large apps yet on my iPhone, but does Apple still force you to use WiFi to download large apps? If so, that really blows my mind. I've brought this up before, what if I have unlimited data or my data cycle has restarted for the month? Or worse, what if I just plain want/need an app that they deem is too large to download and I'm not near WiFi? I'm basically screwed.

The world's most advanced mobile operating system... that treats you like a child.


EDIT: Yep, any app over 100MB has to be downloaded via WiFi.
My home wifi is 3mb/s. My 4g is 30mb/s. Yet some TV streaming apps refuse to use mobile data, and then instead of HD I get 240p. That buffers. :mad:
 
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JHUFrank

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One of these days I hope my switch becomes permanent. I keep bopping back and forth between Android and Apple devices, with nary a care in the world, except how I like the device at that point and time. Eventually I will set my foot down and become an evangelist for one side of the other, spitting fire and brimstone about the inadequacies of the other platform. I dream, I dream...
 

nordique

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Now that android has reached stability that mirrors iOS, anyone thinking about dropping iOS?

So many phones have caught my attention in the last couple years, HTC One, Galaxy S7 Edge, Pixel etc, and being that I've been with iPhone since iPhone 4 on Verizon, anyone else feel like me and want a different experience?
Not trying to sound snobbish, just wish iOS would CHANGE, not just 'refine'.

Honestly, just give it a go

But give it an HONEST go.....too many people who are iOS loyalists pick up some cheap android phone, typically used, like a first gen moto G or a galaxy s3 and compare it to their iPhone 7 plus, use the droid for maybe a day and claim how terrible the android experience is - either that, or they haven't ever used an android phone.

If you do it, get a good device, understand and know that there will be a transition period (it is not what you're used to if you were an iOS only user for years and years), understand you're going to like some things less than iOS but be open to the things that make it better than iOS...and android has it's fair share of features that can make iOS feel archaic.

I too was an iOS user since iPhone 4...I still think iOS is a great platform...but it's behind android in so many ways now. You have to jailbreak iOS in order to get close to what you can do on android without a jailbreak.

And don't even get me started on widgets.

I always found it ironic how the way some Android features are implemented, has much more in common with OS X/macOS, than iOS does with OS X/macOS.
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One of these days I hope my switch becomes permanent. I keep bopping back and forth between Android and Apple devices, with nary a care in the world, except how I like the device at that point and time. Eventually I will set my foot down and become an evangelist for one side of the other, spitting fire and brimstone about the inadequacies of the other platform. I dream, I dream...

I think that's a better way to be tbh....not tied down to either system. Don't sniff the iOS glue; don't sniff the Android glue.

Many years ago, iOS and iPhone offered a superior experience in many/most ways. Today, this is not the case...now Android offers a better experience in many ways and if you can get a top tier hardware to match, then you can match/surpass the experience you get from iOS. That was a lot harder to do several years ago. The scales may tip back in Apple's favour again in the coming years, but, that only happens if you aren't an "evangelist for one side" over the other.
 
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pixel_junkie

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I think that's a better way to be tbh....not tied down to either system. Don't sniff the iOS glue; don't sniff the Android glue.

Many years ago, iOS and iPhone offered a superior experience in many/most ways. Today, this is not the case...now Android offers a better experience in many ways and if you can get a top tier hardware to match, then you can match/surpass the experience you get from iOS. That was a lot harder to do several years ago. The scales may tip back in Apple's favour again in the coming years, but, that only happens if you aren't an "evangelist for one side" over the other.

Truer words were never spoken
 
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mrex

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The problem is not the OS. The problem is that on android apps are less stable because is much harder to code an app which has to work on hundred of differents phones hardware.
I was on android for 7 years and the 7+ is my first iPhone.

From where do you get that information that apps in Android are less stable?

Have been using android and ios for years (my main os is iOS), and in my personal experience, ios apps crash daily - but unlike in android, ios doesnt let you know it, it looks like you just hit abit miss or so and it feels that you accidentally closed the app. But checking the crash log - the app actually crashed/closed. You just dont get a message "App crashed suddenly and need to be reopened."

Regarding to your words, ios apps should never crash, but they do as much as android apps. Doing some googling you will find lots of data collected from crash statistics of apps in android and ios during years. Both crashes about the same level.

Another major thing is harware and how that affects the stability - not the os or apps but the hardware. if buy a phone which pay less than third of the price of iphone, dont expect it to work as a highend android or iphone. Nowadays there are great "cheap" android phones that are in the same level as high-end models but that is also abit hit and miss. You can get a good one or a crappy one.
 
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sundog925

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Spotify killed iTunes match for me.
The apple music (now on Android) killed it twice over.

Only think I love is the mac, iPhone syncing. So i might stick with iPhone just for this.
IDK, ill wait until IP8 to see if my itch is scratched.
 

pixel_junkie

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If you live near an Apple store I disagree, if you have to mail stuff it's a wash.

Depends. I'd rather not drive in traffic, deal with parking and wait in line when I can do the same diagnostics procedure from my couch while watching a movie and drinking a Corona.
 

timeconsumer

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Depends. I'd rather not drive in traffic, deal with parking and wait in line when I can do the same diagnostics procedure from my couch while watching a movie and drinking a Corona.
I prefer walking into a store and leaving with a replacement same day. If I mail it in, I have to go without a device until they receive it, or I can have a $649+ hold on my account until they receive it. Then I have to worry about if the shipping company will lose the package and/or if they will lose the replacement device. So for me, I prefer the Apple in store replacement option. And I've had two replacement Pixels sent to me so far.
 
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pixel_junkie

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The latest version of Gboard for Android includes built in translation which means that you can communicate with people in any language in real time. You type your message in whatever language you want to use, and they receive it in whatever language you want them to receive it in. THAT is a useful feature that helps connect people! Bravo, well done.

Hear that Apple? Do something with yourselves already
 
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The latest version of Gboard for Android includes built in translation which means that you can communicate with people in any language in real time. You type your message in whatever language you want to use, and they receive it in whatever language you want them to receive it in. THAT is a useful feature that helps connect people! Bravo, well done.

Hear that Apple? Do something with yourselves already

And if it's as useful as Google's other translation services, it'll be mostly useless.
 
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