Yep.
And I should point out I got that machine at the student price...which was SIGNIFICANT at the time, like, 40% off list or something...not this crappy $100 off or whatever they offer now.
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Serious Problem: Apple desktop computers are becoming more and more expensive... Advice?
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Yep.
And I should point out I got that machine at the student price...which was SIGNIFICANT at the time, like, 40% off list or something...not this crappy $100 off or whatever they offer now.
But the price of Macs has not (yet) increased as much as the price of butter. Which is why I think, now is a good time to buy. When the larger iMac (Pro) comes out, we will not only learn about the new display size and what a 5.5K display costs, we will also learn about the inflationary effect of the Ukraine war on hardware manufacturers.
Actually the M2 is the only Mac processor with higher single core performance than the M1 because all processors with M1 in their name have the same single core performance.
Unfortunately there is no real choice of 220ppi displays on the market, but if you want to save money there are options. You can get a pair of decent 110ppi 27" 1440p IPS displays that each give you the exact same screen real estate as a Studio Display for under 500 EUR or USD. Will they have the same quality? No, but they are good enough for many things and the price speaks for itself.
Largely because Apple only does 100% and 200% display scaling cleanly and fakes everything else with their indirect rendering. Some people don't care, but others don't want non-integer scaling.
Yes and no, back in the day you could add RAM and storage yourself which made a big difference to the price of a well equipped machine.
I have a 2019 MBP (that a former employer paid for) and a Mac Mini M1 with Windows and Linux in VMware, because I have to support all 3 OS’s, along with a ton of Android devices, but don’t want the haste of multiple machines. If it wasn’t for work, I’d be 100% Apple.
As for cost, I have the Mac Mini connected to a Sammy 32” display with Apple keyboard and touchpad.
As for cost, I have the Mac Mini connected to a Sammy 32” display with Apple keyboard and touchpad.
RAM sure, but back in the day, and now for that matter, its a desktop so just attach a drive to it. You can even get several which are slim docks that have additional ports, but with the same footprint so they blend in.
Nope, my Mac is but one piece of the suite of technology I use at home. I have a windows desktop and laptop, that sits along with my 14" MBP. I use my desktop the most, then my MBP and then occasionally my windows laptop.
That's not a windows thing, but a technology thing, More and more companies, developers and what not are pushing cloud based solutions, be it SaaS, storage or various services.
There's often one word that follows Linux desktop and that word is frustrating. If you want to constantly tinker and work on various issues, then linux is your best bet. If you just want a platform to use software and not worry about compatibility, things not working, stuff suddenly stopped working then Linux is NOT your best option.
I've used many different flavors of Linux over the years and so far they've all required varying levels of tweaking/configuring. Even so, apps and games that I need don't work or work so poorly it made little sense to stick with Linux.
As for Macs becoming more expensive, I think that's true to a degree, but at this point, everything is, and Apple has always been known to have a so called apple tax, i.e., its apple so expect to pay more. You can get more computer for less with the same build quality in windows, but it lacks a lot of the benefits that macs bring to the table.
For me, it boils down to what platform does the best job at fulfilling my needs. Its not a black and white situation - more so now that Macs can't run x86 windows/apps. Having a PC along side my mac fits my needs the best, YMMV
...but bear in mind that the Mac II was mainly being bought by people who would otherwise have been looking at the likes of Sun or Silicon Graphics workstations that cost as much as a small house. It was never really a "consumer" product. They were used for doing cutting-edge things for the time and were only used/needed by a handful of the population. Those cutting edge applications (offline video editing using 192x128 compressed-to-heck proxy files, editing 1 megapixel images - woo hoo!) are now way below what teenagers expect to do on their entry-level laptops to make tiktok videos. Technology and the market has changed too much to enable simple comparisons - if you're at the "cutting edge" today you'll probably be shopping for a $20,000 Mac Pro system.
There's a danger in picking one little factoid from the past and taking it out of context. Almost every modern consumer item was once a specialist product costing a fortune. (...as I was reflecting recently when buying a 'small' half litre bottle of olive oil from the supermarket - in 1970s UK that was something you bought a few ounces of from the pharmacist as a remedy for earache). Even the "standard baskets" used for calculating general inflation evolve radically over time... things like 'box of 3.5" floppy disks' will have come and gone from those lists since 1990.
Thank you for your reply!
Even Apple's subscription services are becoming more expensive. It's getting harder to justify buying Apple hardware for me.
Ha! I was just thinking of going old school and removing iCloud storage to save the 6.99 a month i pay!
I'm curious if the long term Apple users could post how they budget buying Apple hardware?
For example, Andy Ihatko said he buys a new Apple device every 18 months or so, but he's a journalist that covers Apple so his budget is obviously not reflective of the average Apple user...
For example, Andy Ihatko said he buys a new Apple device every 18 months or so, but he's a journalist that covers Apple so his budget is obviously not reflective of the average Apple user...
I bought a top-spec 2018 Mini just about exactly 3 years ago. Paid $2500 as a refurb, it would have cost $3000 new. I had been using a top-spec 2012 quad Mini for 4 years. Also spent $400 on a new 32" screen. Before that I had been using an Apple 23" Cinema Display that was something like 15 years old.
At this point, I see no reason why my current system won't last another two years. Yeah, it's not a shiny new Apple Silicon Mac, but so what? It does everything I need - including things that the current Macs can't do - I use a 32gb Windows 10 VM very heavily in Parallels with demanding GIS software. When I finallly move to Apple Silicon in a couple years, it will be a much better machine than Apple offers today.
For phones, I went from an iPhone 6s Plus to a 12 ProMax at launch. No interest in upgrading, I don't use phones much. Unless it breaks, I will probably wait another 3 years. Still have a 2018 iPad 6th generation. No plans to ever upgrade that, the iPad just doesn't have much appeal for me.
But my needs are very specific and nothing like yours, I'm sure.
At this point, I see no reason why my current system won't last another two years. Yeah, it's not a shiny new Apple Silicon Mac, but so what? It does everything I need - including things that the current Macs can't do - I use a 32gb Windows 10 VM very heavily in Parallels with demanding GIS software. When I finallly move to Apple Silicon in a couple years, it will be a much better machine than Apple offers today.
For phones, I went from an iPhone 6s Plus to a 12 ProMax at launch. No interest in upgrading, I don't use phones much. Unless it breaks, I will probably wait another 3 years. Still have a 2018 iPad 6th generation. No plans to ever upgrade that, the iPad just doesn't have much appeal for me.
But my needs are very specific and nothing like yours, I'm sure.
Our household has found that the desktops last a very long time. My wife is still using a late-2015 iMac. She refuses to upgrade but I will force it once the security updates end. I bought an M1M Studio last year and expect we will use it until the updates end.
I touched on this in another thread, but I tend to use a device until the operating system updates end. With that said, the Apple Silicon Mac minis and iMac are an amazing value, especially on the used market.
I've seen M1 iMacs as low as $600 on Facebook Marketplace. M1 Mac minis are regularly $300 and less. They all look brand new. There seems to be a big market of students that purchase them for a semester or two, graduate and try to get rid of them.
I've seen M1 iMacs as low as $600 on Facebook Marketplace. M1 Mac minis are regularly $300 and less. They all look brand new. There seems to be a big market of students that purchase them for a semester or two, graduate and try to get rid of them.
My computer/technology budget is probably higher than a lot of people because I consider myself something of an enthusiast and I buy things I want vs. things I need. A perfect example is the 15'' M2 Air. Did I need it? Of course not, I had a perfectly functional M1 Air. Did I need the M1 Air? Of course not, I had a perfectly functional 2014 MBA that at the time was still going to receive two years of support via Big Sur. And to extrapolate on that further, my 2014 MBA would today offer enough computer power to do what I need my computer to do for work.
At home I still run a 2012 Mac mini and it is sufficient to do all of the things I need it to do for work.
With a little knowledge of maintenance: physical - cleaning the computer, keeping it in a good environment; software - clean installs of the OS, monitoring active processes, purging unneeded data - you can keep your technology running for a long time. A lot of people make the mistake of convincing themselves they need more technology to complete their tasks than they actually do. This isn't helped by the fact that technology reviews and writers are rarely discussing the use of hardware in real world terms - i.e. exactly what someone doing office work needs (not much) or what specs work well for film editing (no you don't NEED an M2 Max to edit footage)
Prices I have spent on computers in the last 11 years
2012 - $600 for a Mac mini (annual cost $54.54/year)
2014 - $1500 for a Macbook Pro (annual cost $214.28/year)
2021 - $850 for an M1 Macbook Air (annual cost $425/year)
2023 - $1699 for an M2 Macbook Air (annual cost $1699/year)
My point here is the longer you use the computer, the less that computer is costing you annually. $1699 is a heck of a lot of money in one go but if I end up using the computer for seven years like I did my 2014 Pro, it works out to $242.71 a year - barely more than the computer I bought in 2014.
Grand total I've spent on computer hardware in the last 11 years: $4,649. So we can assume my annual computer budget over this period has been $422.63/year. And that is with nonessentials (eg buying new laptops when I didn't need to)
Now I am neglecting a bunch of stuff here (I do have a custom built gaming PC, along with a bunch of server hardware, so I've probably spent another $3,000 on top of what I have listed here) but I could easily budget all that stuff as toy/hobby/luxury expenses compared to my Macs that I am buying for productivity.
At home I still run a 2012 Mac mini and it is sufficient to do all of the things I need it to do for work.
With a little knowledge of maintenance: physical - cleaning the computer, keeping it in a good environment; software - clean installs of the OS, monitoring active processes, purging unneeded data - you can keep your technology running for a long time. A lot of people make the mistake of convincing themselves they need more technology to complete their tasks than they actually do. This isn't helped by the fact that technology reviews and writers are rarely discussing the use of hardware in real world terms - i.e. exactly what someone doing office work needs (not much) or what specs work well for film editing (no you don't NEED an M2 Max to edit footage)
Prices I have spent on computers in the last 11 years
2012 - $600 for a Mac mini (annual cost $54.54/year)
2014 - $1500 for a Macbook Pro (annual cost $214.28/year)
2021 - $850 for an M1 Macbook Air (annual cost $425/year)
2023 - $1699 for an M2 Macbook Air (annual cost $1699/year)
My point here is the longer you use the computer, the less that computer is costing you annually. $1699 is a heck of a lot of money in one go but if I end up using the computer for seven years like I did my 2014 Pro, it works out to $242.71 a year - barely more than the computer I bought in 2014.
Grand total I've spent on computer hardware in the last 11 years: $4,649. So we can assume my annual computer budget over this period has been $422.63/year. And that is with nonessentials (eg buying new laptops when I didn't need to)
Now I am neglecting a bunch of stuff here (I do have a custom built gaming PC, along with a bunch of server hardware, so I've probably spent another $3,000 on top of what I have listed here) but I could easily budget all that stuff as toy/hobby/luxury expenses compared to my Macs that I am buying for productivity.
I can't say I budget at all. Our Mac hardware lasts a long time. We replaced a 2009 iMac in 2019, and I'm still working on a late 2013 modem retina MacBook Pro that I bought in early 2014.