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TiggrToo

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Thank you for your replies!

I can see more of my options now.

It's great that there are multiple options for me to transfer .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 so that the .PDF files can't be altered, but what is the most secure way?

I just had an idea: I could try using 3 different ways of transferring .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 as a way of "cross-checking" and then check that the .PDF files haven't been altered?

For example, I could transfer the same .PDF file to my iPad Mini 3 using the following methods: iCloud, AirDrop and one more method.

What do you guys think?

To use iCloud I'd simply need to copy the .PDF files into my iCloud Storage on my Mac/Win PC and then just open it on the iPad Mini 3 right?
What will this prove?

I mean your posts sound exceptionally paranoid - so allow me to feed into that to show how pointless this exercise will be:

Malware often waits before enabling itself - what proof do you have that whilst the exercise works today, tomorrow something nefarious will, or won’t alter it tomorrow?

if you’re truly this paranoid then get the CRC from the file at source and at destination.

Each and every time you copy anything.

And welcome to madness.
 

calstanford

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Hey guys,

I hate to be making a thread about this, but security is my number one priority so this is a very important question for me.

I need to buy a new iPad.

What I like about my current iPad Mini 3 is that it's very secure as it seems that it's "locked down" as I can only install Apps from the iOS App Store and there are only two ports: the headphone jack and the re-charging port.


I love MacOSX on Apple's Mac Mini, Macbook Pro and Macbook Pro and the other computer models, but my iPad Mini 3 just feels more secure because of its locked down nature.

However, I've looked at all the new iPad models and ALL of them have this "smart connector".

I just want to know how I'll be more vulnerable with this "smart connector" and how this "smart connector" changes my iPad's security?

Thank you for any advice!

You should stick with your Mini 3 for optimal secureness
 

VineRider

macrumors 65816
May 24, 2018
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OneDrive is an option and I personally believe that this is a very secure storage platform. See article below for some information on how Microsoft secures your data.

How OneDrive safeguards your data in the cloud - OneDrive (home or personal) (microsoft.com)

Also, I feel that iCloud is a very secure option for the same reasons as OneDrive.

The article below gives you an overview of iCloud's practices in securing data.

iCloud security overview - Apple Support

I hope this helps.

Both Apple and Microsoft have to stake their reputations on data integrity and keeping users data secure. Can there be security breaches? Sure, as no platform is 100% secure. But weighing the pro's and con's of various online platforms, these are the two I trust the most.

Always use the most protective measures any platform has for locking down your account. Two factor authentication, strong and unique passwords are two primary ways you can keep your data secure.
 
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svanstrom

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Thank you for your replies!

I can see more of my options now.

It's great that there are multiple options for me to transfer .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 so that the .PDF files can't be altered, but what is the most secure way?

I just had an idea: I could try using 3 different ways of transferring .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 as a way of "cross-checking" and then check that the .PDF files haven't been altered?

For example, I could transfer the same .PDF file to my iPad Mini 3 using the following methods: iCloud, AirDrop and one more method.

What do you guys think?

To use iCloud I'd simply need to copy the .PDF files into my iCloud Storage on my Mac/Win PC and then just open it on the iPad Mini 3 right?
That's not a healthy level of worrying; and the convoluted ways of transferring and comparing files would really not add much security at all. If it would catch anything it would be mistakes, like you accidentally altering the file between the different ways that you transfer it; or perhaps if you end up transferring it in some way that some of the file's metadata is removed etc.
 

macsound1

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And while everything that everyone above has mentioned above will work, is relatively equally secure, and makes logical sense.
AirDrop is probably the easiest and will give you the most piece of mind since the data is direct, point-to-point, you decide who you're sending it to and the receiver has to accept it.
 

BeautifulWoman_1984

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To be honest I think you’re being overly paranoid and just creating useless work for yourself.
Thank you for your reply RunsForFun, but doing the extra work to make sure the .PDF files haven't been altered is definitely worth it for me.

What will this prove?

I mean your posts sound exceptionally paranoid - so allow me to feed into that to show how pointless this exercise will be:

Malware often waits before enabling itself - what proof do you have that whilst the exercise works today, tomorrow something nefarious will, or won’t alter it tomorrow?

if you’re truly this paranoid then get the CRC from the file at source and at destination.

Each and every time you copy anything.

And welcome to madness.
Thank you for your reply TiggrToo!

I really like your idea of checking the CRC from the file at source and at destination, but how can I check the CRC?

I'm definitely avoiding madness as I just want to make sure the files haven't been altered.

That's not a healthy level of worrying; and the convoluted ways of transferring and comparing files would really not add much security at all. If it would catch anything it would be mistakes, like you accidentally altering the file between the different ways that you transfer it; or perhaps if you end up transferring it in some way that some of the file's metadata is removed etc.
Thank you for your reply Svanstrom, but what can you recommend I do to "add much security" as you say?

I'd really like to hear your ideas on what I can to improve this process!


EDIT:
I combined multiple posts so that I'm not cluttering up the forum by making too many posts.
 
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Apple_Robert

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This thread is getting close to being a year old and you have still not made a purchase, even though good advice has been given numerous times. If you have had the funds, there is no reason to not have made a purchase. If you aren't going to take the advice of experienced users, I see no point in making threads asking questions over and over.
 

BeautifulWoman_1984

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This thread is getting close to being a year old and you have still not made a purchase, even though good advice has been given numerous times. If you have had the funds, there is no reason to not have made a purchase. If you aren't going to take the advice of experienced users, I see no point in making threads asking questions over and over.
Thank you for your reply Apple_Robert.

Trust me when I say I've been wanting to make a purchase for a long time!

The pandemic has really given me a lot of extra stress so I've had to stop looking at what to purchase and focus on other things related to the pandemic. I really want to make a purchase soon.
 

Apple_Robert

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Thank you for your reply Apple_Robert.

Trust me when I say I've been wanting to make a purchase for a long time!

The pandemic has really given me a lot of extra stress so I've had to stop looking at what to purchase and focus on other things related to the pandemic. I really want to make a purchase soon.
I understand about dealing with the Pandemic. I have had to deal with life and death situations from the Pandemic with my immediate family.

I have noticed a pattern with your threads. You ask for buying advice or security advice, which is given mostly by established members, and then you continue to ask the same type questions over and over, apparently never really trusting those who have helped (or maybe yourself) enough to take the serious action you say you need to take.

Asking about iPad, Macs, and other Apple related usage is nowhere near the level of importance as Pandemic. It makes sense that at times, those kinds of purchases would take a back seat temporarily, to more important aspects of life. However, there comes a point where one realizes that life keeps moving forward. Our needs don't stop. As such, you could have made the purchase in July 2020 when you said it was a need, and still dealt with the Pandemic. Your other threads prior to the Pandemic show the same pattern. That tells me that you have a very hard time making a decision about most anything in your life, that doesn't follow normal routine behavior. You aren't alone in that. A lot of people on this forum seem to have trouble making basic decisions involving day to day life choices.

The other aspect that has developed a pattern from your threads is the mocking from other forum members, who previously gave good advice. Said mocking isn't right or conducive. I think a lot of that mocking is born out of frustration from those that have helped time and time again, only to see their help put aside with more questions of the same.

In my opinion, there comes a point when one needs to take action in life, no matter the subject. Right to wrong, a decision needs to be acted upon lest one finds his or herself stuck with the inability to make a decision. And that inability is often rationalized by feeling a need to do just a little more research or ask just a few more questions. In my opinion, that is where you live.

Apple's products, as you know, come with a 14 day no questions asked warranty. One can make a purchase and determine in that time frame whether the product suits their needs and wants. And if not, return the product for a full refund.

We regulars here do our best to help one another as best we can. Some times our advice is good and some times it fails. And sometimes, we give good advice but the person seeking guidance decides to not take heed for whatever reason. And over time, that can make those trying to help feel as if they are the ones being played with and mocked. I don't believe you are purposely trying to do that but, your consistent behavior patterns probably give that impression to some here, which brings out the mocking as a manner of protest.

In my opinion, you need to seriously read and take to heart what I have said. It is time for you to get off the internal merry-go-round you have been putting yourself through every day.
 

Lemon Olive

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Thank you for your replies!

I can see more of my options now.

It's great that there are multiple options for me to transfer .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 so that the .PDF files can't be altered, but what is the most secure way?

I just had an idea: I could try using 3 different ways of transferring .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 as a way of "cross-checking" and then check that the .PDF files haven't been altered?

For example, I could transfer the same .PDF file to my iPad Mini 3 using the following methods: iCloud, AirDrop and one more method.

What do you guys think?

To use iCloud I'd simply need to copy the .PDF files into my iCloud Storage on my Mac/Win PC and then just open it on the iPad Mini 3 right?
No one wants to steal your PDFs.
 

Yebubbleman

macrumors 603
May 20, 2010
6,025
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Hey guys,

I hate to be making a thread about this, but security is my number one priority so this is a very important question for me.

I need to buy a new iPad.

What I like about my current iPad Mini 3 is that it's very secure as it seems that it's "locked down" as I can only install Apps from the iOS App Store and there are only two ports: the headphone jack and the re-charging port.


I love MacOSX on Apple's Mac Mini, Macbook Pro and Macbook Pro and the other computer models, but my iPad Mini 3 just feels more secure because of its locked down nature.

However, I've looked at all the new iPad models and ALL of them have this "smart connector".

I just want to know how I'll be more vulnerable with this "smart connector" and how this "smart connector" changes my iPad's security?

Thank you for any advice!
There is no known security risk or attack vector with the smart connector. That doesn't mean that there isn't one. Just that one isn't known at this time.
 
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BeautifulWoman_1984

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I understand about dealing with the Pandemic. I have had to deal with life and death situations from the Pandemic with my immediate family.

Asking about iPad, Macs, and other Apple related usage is nowhere near the level of importance as Pandemic. It makes sense that at times, those kinds of purchases would take a back seat temporarily, to more important aspects of life. However, there comes a point where one realizes that life keeps moving forward. Our needs don't stop. As such, you could have made the purchase in July 2020 when you said it was a need, and still dealt with the Pandemic. Your other threads prior to the Pandemic show the same pattern. That tells me that you have a very hard time making a decision about most anything in your life, that doesn't follow normal routine behavior. You aren't alone in that. A lot of people on this forum seem to have trouble making basic decisions involving day to day life choices.

In my opinion, there comes a point when one needs to take action in life, no matter the subject. Right to wrong, a decision needs to be acted upon lest one finds his or herself stuck with the inability to make a decision. And that inability is often rationalized by feeling a need to do just a little more research or ask just a few more questions. In my opinion, that is where you live.

We regulars here do our best to help one another as best we can. Some times our advice is good and some times it fails. And sometimes, we give good advice but the person seeking guidance decides to not take heed for whatever reason. And over time, that can make those trying to help feel as if they are the ones being played with and mocked. I don't believe you are purposely trying to do that but, your consistent behavior patterns probably give that impression to some here, which brings out the mocking as a manner of protest.

In my opinion, you need to seriously read and take to heart what I have said. It is time for you to get off the internal merry-go-round you have been putting yourself through every day.
Thank you for your reply Apple Robert!

I'm really sorry to hear that the pandemic has deeply effected you... ?

You're definitely correct about me having problems making decisions. The COVID pandemic has really put extra mental stress/strain on me, but I'm trying to do the best I can.

I really do want to move forward and make decisions, but I'm so worried about making the wrong decision and this is why I keep researching things before I buy products.

I'm trying to solve problems myself so that I'm not taking up extra space on MacRumors by creating too many threads.
 

Runs For Fun

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Nov 6, 2017
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Thank you for your reply Apple Robert!

I'm really sorry to hear that the pandemic has deeply effected you... ?

You're definitely correct about me having problems making decisions. The COVID pandemic has really put extra mental stress/strain on me, but I'm trying to do the best I can.

I really do want to move forward and make decisions, but I'm so worried about making the wrong decision and this is why I keep researching things before I buy products.

I'm trying to solve problems myself so that I'm not taking up extra space on MacRumors by creating too many threads.
I would sincerely urge you to seek help from a mental health professional. This sounds like a debilitating problem. As someone who has suffered from extreme anxiety in the past, talking to someone really does help.
 

BeautifulWoman_1984

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It's great that there are multiple options for me to transfer .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 so that the .PDF files can't be altered, but what is the most secure way?

I just had an idea: I could try using 3 different ways of transferring .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3 as a way of "cross-checking" and then check that the .PDF files haven't been altered?

For example, I could transfer the same .PDF file to my iPad Mini 3 using the following methods: iCloud, AirDrop, Microsoft One Drive.
I've been brainstorming and this is the best idea I've come up with to make sure my .PDF files aren't altered when they're transferred to my iPad Mini 3:

Use three different cloud services to transfer the .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3:
1. Microsoft One Drive
2. iCloud
3. AirDrop.

Then check that each .PDF file


Any other suggestions would be appreciated!
 

Runs For Fun

macrumors 65816
Nov 6, 2017
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I've been brainstorming and this is the best idea I've come up with to make sure my .PDF files aren't altered when they're transferred to my iPad Mini 3:

Use three different cloud services to transfer the .PDF files to my iPad Mini 3:
1. Microsoft One Drive
2. iCloud
3. AirDrop.

Then check that each .PDF file


Any other suggestions would be appreciated!
If you're this concerned about security, then using a cloud service is out of the question.
 

BeautifulWoman_1984

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If you're this concerned about security, then using a cloud service is out of the question.
Thank you for your reply RunsForFun!

How else can I transfer my .PDF files from my Windows 10 PC to my iPad Mini 3?

EDIT: This post has really shaken me up because I thought the only way to transfer to an iPad Mini 3 from a Windows 10 PC was to use a "cloud solution"? ? ? ?
 

Apple_Robert

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Is this the best method to use?

I thought by using 3 different cloud services I'd be able to ensure that the .PDF files weren't altered when they were transferred??? ☹️ ☹️ ☹️
Put the PDF in your Apple iCloud folder and you will be fine. You can access your iCloud from your Windows machine as well. Make sure you have 2FA turned on with your Apple account. Nobody will be able to get your PDF.

Using 3 different cloud services to send a PDF to your iPad mini (because you are worried someone will alter the PDF in transit) is ridiculous.
 

LogicalApex

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Nov 13, 2015
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Is this the best method to use?

I thought by using 3 different cloud services I'd be able to ensure that the .PDF files weren't altered when they were transferred??? ☹️ ☹️ ☹️
Unless you're the target of a state actor I think you're overcomplicating your life quite a lot!

Your transmissions between iCloud and your device will be over SSL/TLS so won't be capable of being manipulated in the middle without a MIIM certificate attack to allow decrypted interception of your stream. This would result in an error and no connection unless your device was accessed to install the MIIM certificate.

If you were truly at this risk though you can test if by storing a file hash on another cloud provider or local on disk or etc and comparing the two hashes. If the hash is the same and wasn't placed on iCloud that's proof enough that it wasn't tampered in the middle.

But strong passwords will be more for you than over complicating this.
 
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