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Setapp Will Be One of iPhone's First Alternative App Marketplaces in EU
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This has happened on Android exactly never
You should move to Russia or China or other safe haven and you will be ok.
my third party apps like Affinity and Pixelmator Pro and more I buy through the Apple Appstore. I bought Vellum Digital + Print through Vellum as they sell it inly through them.
I stopped wasting money on all but a select few Audio olugin vendor and soon aside from reverbs I spend tenfold or more on RND 1U2U 500 series and full length 19” compressors, EQs, mastering buss processor, summing mixers, etc recording music.
Most people would choke on their food at the cost of professional studio equipment.
I would love if Apple partnered with Rupert Neve Designs, Antelope Audio, Neumann and more for custom hardware but that would never happen as the uninformed would complain it is anticompetitive or some such.
If I were Apple the EU and China would be the last to have the Apple Pro Vision for sale in their markets.
I would target Japan next and slow roll out to the rest of North and South America then India and only when the first mass consumer models arrive would I offer the entry level models in Europe and China.
I let the pro lines be tied into film and audio post production studios who have no ties to the EU and if AVID wanted to extend Pro tools for example they’d have to open a US subsidiary to sell a non-subscription version of Pro tools Unlimited on macOS only. Or force Avid to sell Pro Tools subscription for Mac via the AppStore with a 30% tax.
Studios would cheer the freedom to get Pro Tools unlimited once more. Audio engineers despise the current stranglehold Avid has on them. Where is the European Union on this matter?
What’s that EU? Just buy Logic Pro?
That would be truly rich and it would be their retort not realizing that Pro Tools is the standard for post production film audio, mastering houses, nearly all top tier mixing and recording studios, etc.
It is essential for their livelihoods. Sn open AppStore on iPhone isn’t essential for one’s livelihood to have available,
Most vendors will be offered incentives that will never match the Apple AppStore reach of billions of devices.
A lot of store pretenders will open and rapidly close. Developers outside conglomerates have very little interest in multiple AppStores.
Which apps are going to be pulled from the App Store? Do you have a list?
People really need to stop with the fear porn.
I can see that happening if 3rd party App Store places an exclusivity clause for hosting said apps.
Unless app dev or company has that bad of an experience with Apple's App Store then I do not think anyone would agree to it.
In spite of Apple's App Store's flaws...
This whole thing has been about money, prices will not go down.
The possibilities in the future are really exciting. I have wanted to get an iPad for years, but only if it can replace my Mac, obviously with iOS and its limitations it’s not even close yet.
However with alt app stores it won’t matter, there will be an app that can do whatever iOS can’t normally.
I know it only applies to iPhone at the moment, but before long it’ll be other stores too
However with alt app stores it won’t matter, there will be an app that can do whatever iOS can’t normally.
I know it only applies to iPhone at the moment, but before long it’ll be other stores too
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Wait & see. There's a lot of added gain to be captured in up to 15% or up to 30% of Apple's very first cut at the revenue "right off the top." Developer can make more AND charge less in that "overhead."
In all of history, competition drives prices down. No competition keeps high prices high. Here comes a 440M person test bed to put this long-proven truth to the test once again. The rest of us can simply observe and see what happens, while it doesn't affect "our way" of doing things at all... except perhaps a spike of envy as EU people will get to install apps that our "mother/father" decides that we shall not have on our iDevices, for whatever reasoning serves our "helicopter."
Frankly, I can't see any way that people won't be able to get apps for less. Just apply the same "10 great apps for a $1" concept common on Mac to iDevices. If such a bundle has a few apps someone wants, they'll get them and some others for a buck. Can't do that now in the existing, LONE App Store... though I bet many of us Mac people all over the world has purchased one of those bundles from nearly nothing at some point in the years we've owned Macs.
I have about 3 times in the last 20 years, when a bundle happened to have several apps that I wanted. Enjoyed them and then purchased the inevitable upgraded version direct from the developer, so they got ALL of the price of the app instead of 70%-85%. They almost certainly made less on perhaps a few pennies collected in the initial bundle sale but then made much more by selling the new version direct to me. I've never been able to do that same trick with any iDevice. But EU people will soon be able to do that and all of the other things competitive CHOICES will bring to EU iDevices.
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EU citizen here.
I will never get any apps from outside of the Apple App Store
I will never get any apps from outside of the Apple App Store
Exactly what I was thinking: most will not move away from the App Store at this point, and isn't alt store usage on Android very low? I bet less than 3-5% of iPhone users will go to another App Store. It will be fun to watch this fail, app stores close, and people lose their app data and money.
Not limited to iPhone, did EU ever do anything good?
They saved you from cookies; oh wait ... you get to click on a popup for every website you visit, even if you don't live in the EU.
I'm wondering what happens if you try to download the same app from two stores. Would the second store show the app as already purchased/downloading/installed, or could you purchase/install two separate instances of the app if they come from different stores? There are still quite a few questionable situations. I'm curious to see what happens.
I wouldn't call it fun but competition's always good.
I love Apple and want to keep my landline # I've had for over 4 decades.
I'd likely not switch companies for hardware or services.
But competition's there to push $ per performance better.
What a nice fantasy world you live in.
Netflix has plenty of competition in the streaming market and is doing their best to reduce how much they pay to Apple. Lower prices for consumers? Nope.
Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, etc...plenty of competition between them. Skyrocketing profits and running their stores on skeleton crews so they can cut costs. Lower prices for consumers? Nope.
Healthcare! Organizations constantly trying to find ways to cut costs. Reduce staffing and cut pay to those who are left, so they can reduce costs. Lower prices for the patients? Nope.
Airlines! You have plenty of options for who to fly with! Skyrocketing profits while cutting costs. Lower prices for flyers? Nope.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
What happens now if you buy a Mac app in the Apple Store and then buy the same App direct from a developer or in an app bundle (or retail packaged at Walmart)?
My guess: all will take the money and you'll own multiple copies of the same app. Whether the system will install two copies or alert you to a copy being already installed is TBD. However, I have to think that most consumers are likely to know if they already own an app vs. buying it 2+ times. In my experience of buying a few app bundles over time, some of those sometimes included an app or two I already owned. I bought anyway for other apps I wanted and then simply did not even try to install a second copy of an app I already had installed.
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SetApp, from MacPaw. The makers of CleanMyMac. That should tell you everything.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Yes, in my "fantasy world," I can compare prices for the same items available at Walmart, Target, HD, Lowes, etc and then take advantage of the lowest price offer. Amazon is also a good one to mix into that shopping... as is countless other competitors discoverable via tools like Google Shopping. Consider this great consumer flexibility vs.- say- ceding all retail to any one of them so they have no natural drive at all to lower prices and cut their own "another quarter of record revenue & profit" throats.
You are confusing inflation with competition. Inflation may indeed drive all prices up over time but robust competition will make it possible to find whatever you want to buy for less from one competitor vs. many others. Most of us do this with just about every transaction... even buying gas for our cars to save a few pennies per gallon.
Airlines: Same. Use Kayak, Orbitz, etc to find your desired flight at the least cost among many airlines that fly that route... VS.- say- ceding it all to only- say- Delta and then, with zero competition, Delta can charge any price they like: "If you want to fly, you pay this ONE price. Else, walk or drive or sail."
Healthcare: if you need some procedure, you certainly can shop around among many service providers to find a lower price vs. any given single price. Consider this vs. a SINGLE provider of healthcare with no competition at all. Why should prices ever be challenged? Example: there is a robust business on the Mexico side of the southern border for quality dental services. You can shop around in America to find a crown or two priced anywhere from $1K-$2K or more from many competing American-based dentists. Or head for California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas, take a dental day across the border and get the same procedure done for much less. No competition will make those crowns cost ONE (high) price. Competition presents many options to get the same result.
Where I'm with you is feeling aggravation at the parts of your post beyond the inflation part... that is the "profiteering" coming with margin expansion by working costs down while preserving or raising prices (and blaming inflation, supply chain, etc). Of course, a certain favorite company is not exactly excluded from such activities too... in fact, they have some of the largest margins of most companies... and they are fattening year over year. How much is Apple RAM vs. competitive RAM? How much is Apple SSD vs. competitive SSD? Remember when we spun "Since Apple won't be paying the Intel premium anymore, Macs can be cheaper!" Where are those cheaper Macs? Meanwhile, quarter after quarter it's "another record quarter of revenue & profit."
Competition brings competitive pricing. No competition does not. It is always this way and will likely always be this way until Sci-Fi tech developments perhaps gets us to a point where concepts like money, etc can no longer matter.
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I hope you forgot the /s at the end of your comment. Otherwise you have some serious issues to deal with.
I think what would likely happen is the app developer offers it to all points of distribution as possible.
This would not occur if 3rd party App Stores demands exclusivity or Apple's been difficult to the app developer