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Setapp Will Be One of iPhone's First Alternative App Marketplaces in EU

jasonsmith_88 said:
The opinions on this thread are so weird. People who want the ability to sideload are perfectly happy for others to continue using the official App Store. Yet the people who don’t want to sideload inexplicably take issue with people who want to sideload.

Your rights end when they infringe on someone else. Do whatever you want with your own device. The App Store isn’t going anywhere and no one is forcing you to sideload. But don’t you dare tell me what I can and can’t do with my devices.
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And to push that right back at you with your own argument.

I deliberately bought iPhone as it is a Walled Garden.

And you are taking that away from me by pandering to people that bought a walled garden phone then complain that it is a walled garden

Your rights just infringed on mine to have a walled garden. So by your own argument your right ended as you just infringed on mine.

What right do you have to take away my walled garden.

By having the walled garden I didn't take away your ability to buy a phone that you can do what you want with as you could have simply bought one of those widely available phones running on other platforms other then iOS.

However by forcing Apple to open up then you take away my Walled Garden environment as cannot go buy a walled garden smartphone from another platform/vendor can I. You however can easily buy an Android Phone that has all the openess that you want.

This is why people push back against it.

When it boils down to is people pushing against opening up bought a walled garden system knowing it is a walled garden and liked that it is a walled garden. They bought it BECAUSE it is a walled garden

People arguing for opening up bought a walled garden system and are then complaining that it is a walled garden, when they should have bought a different product that is not part of a walled garden.

Reminds me of Sachsgate with Russell Brand.

Andy Parsons did a great joke about it ridculing how dumb people can be.

Of the people that complained about the broadcast then very few actually heard the broadcast live The vast majority of complaints were from people that had heard about the broadcast, heard that was offensive, went to iPlayer where before clicked on the broadcast to listen were again told that they may find it offensive, and then listened to the replay and then complained to the BBC that they had been offended by the broadcast after deliberately choosing to go listen to something that they had been told would offend them.

The issue I have personally is that people that bought iPhones and complain about it not being open bought the wrong product and refuse to admit that they bought the wrong product and should have bought a phone that doesn't use iOS.

If you want alternative App Stores, Sideloading, alternative payment etc then how on earth was an Apple iPhone with its walled garden ecosystem the right product to buy when it has none of those things.
 
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Ugh, from bad to worse. Subscriptions for software are just evil.

What we need isn't alternative app stores. What we need is the ability to install software normally, or as some call it, "sideloading".

I don't want ANY app store at all. I want to be able to go to a website like Github or a developer's own website, download an open source app, and install it.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
We Americans can be a stubborn bunch. There was a national effort to go metric way back in the 1970s... but teaching "old dogs new tricks" is sometimes hard. So too many of us rebelled and we stuck with the old imperial system. Too bad: the world has moved on to a great science-based system and hopefully we'll try again at some point... and succeed this time.

I'm an older dog now but would be happy to jump through some hoops to adopt that global system. Now it's just a matter of convincing about 339.9M other Americans to learn a new thing too, spend a bunch of money to make the change, etc. As much as we may want to rebel again, the rest of the world will probably not come back around to the Imperial system to save us the trouble.
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Hey, it's not just us. There's also Liberia and Burma.
 
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MilaM said:
Apple still has this ability. They even have this ability on macOS. There are programs running on every Apple device that essentially work like anti-virus software. Additionally they can block every signed app remotely from launching.

Did you know that macOS phones back to the mothership on every program launch to ask if the program is legit or not? Every program, not only the ones bought form the macOS app store.
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On the Mac, you can block that nonsense. I want that ability on my iPhone too.
 
tonyob said:
No thanks. Will only ever use the Apple App Store!
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Are we to understand that you exclusively use the Mac App Store, too? Arguably, the better of the two is actually the Mac App Store, but because the Mac App Store actually has to compete with other ways of having apps installed, it's quite barren and 90+% of Mac software comes from a source other than it.
 
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Good to see alternate app store but not happy with the subscription based service.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Are we to understand that you exclusively use the Mac App Store, too? Arguably, the better of the two is actually the Mac App Store, but because the Mac App Store actually has to compete with other ways of having apps installed, it's quite barren and 90+% of Mac software comes from a source other than it.
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different devices and use cases.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
I didn't. I own no iPhone. I do own an iPad that stands in as my phone with buds + VOIP app. Pretty much the apps that are on it (for years now) are the only apps I want on it.

That doesn't stop me from appreciating the much more open markets for iDevice apps that are going to be coming available for our EU Apple friends. They want Epic games? They'll get them... instead of the "helicopter" deciding the rest of us shall not have access to them. They want some MAME? They will get that. They want a number of apps previously only available with jailbreaking, they'll have access to them too. The rest of us will NOT.

Competition always leads to competitive pricing. I can appreciate them having that too. We consumers do not "win" with a single "Company Store" setup. We're about to see that play out very clearly as our EU friends keep making us aware of how all is fine for them and they are enjoying a bunch of apps that we can't use and a number we can that they are getting for lower costs, lower in-app costs, etc.

I'm NOT in the EU so I won't get any of these new benefits. But I can easily appreciate what those consumers will gain. I can even envy their greater freedoms of choice and the utility therein.

And if I'm wrong and this leads to an endless pounding of virus, trojans, plague & pestilence, loss of first-born, 4 horsemen, etc, etc, neither I, nor most of us commenting about this will be affected in the least... and those so certain that this will be a security nightmare for the EU will be able to "I told you so" just as they are doing all these months later about that total lint-magnet, wobbly, broken tongue USB-C iPhone disaster we were so certain was going to doom us all.

However anyone feels about this topic, there's no stopping the grand experiment in the EU. Will it be the disaster some of us are spinning? Or is this another USB-C disaster that we also spun and ended up much ado about nothing? Stand by and see first hand without any risk of being affected by any of it if you are not within the EU.

And if you are within the EU and afraid, keep getting your apps, etc only from the Apple store and let your neighbors obliterate themselves... or not. You'll see the outcome much sooner than us armchair economists/marketers/CEO/security experts in the other hemisphere.

If you have been a long-term Mac user with these very same freedoms and flexibilities, you already know how this is going to turn out. But even if you have 1% concern, let 6 months pass and witness the EU destruction... or learn a valuable lesson like the very same one we just learned about the USB-C "forced" change... against the great tsunami of disaster spin that was going to deliver.
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You wont be getting MAME on your EU alt app store.

Apple still gets to sign apps and wont allow them because of piracy.

What they are offering to meet the EU demands is allowing users to choose another app store.
But the store still pays a technology access fee and Apple gets to allow what apps go there.
It's not the free for all you wanted ;)

The EU might have "forced" Apple to change plugs - but they forgot to set data transfer speeds. ;)
Shows how much the EU know about tech...

Many people on here bought an iPhone BECAUSE of the walled garden.
They like it.
Any change to iOS risks a point of weakness that can be exploited.
How many times have Apple released fixes because someone malicious found a loophole?
Hopefully Apple thought through the change about to be released to ensure bad actors dont get a way in.
 
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Will porn apps/games be permitted via alternative app stores? Will game marketplaces like Steam be available on iOS?
 
josselinco said:
They were so smart with SetApp. Been paying for 6 years for 10 apps I could have just bought by now 😅
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You are part of the problem and the reason, why so many apps are subscription based… instead of paying 2-5€ per month I would rather pay 10-20€ once and that’s it.

mcnallym said:
I deliberately bought iPhone as it is a Walled Garden.

And you are taking that away from me by pandering to people that bought a walled garden phone then complain that it is a walled garden

Your rights just infringed on mine to have a walled garden. So by your own argument your right ended as you just infringed on mine.

What right do you have to take away my walled garden.

By having the walled garden I didn't take away your ability to buy a phone that you can do what you want with as you could have simply bought one of those widely available phones running on other platforms other then iOS.

However by forcing Apple to open up then you take away my Walled Garden environment as cannot go buy a walled garden smartphone from another platform/vendor can I. You however can easily buy an Android Phone that has all the openess that you want.
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No, he does not. Neither do I, the EU or anyone else. ‚forcing‘ Apple to open up is more like adding a Gate, you’re either free to use or not. If you don’t want sideload, alternative app stores and so on it’s fine but why do you want anyone living as you? @jasonsmith_88 is absolutely right with his argument.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
No matter how some reader of this post feels, it doesn't matter. This goose is already cooked. The EU will proceed with a much more competitive iDevice landscape. EU people will have options to install apps that the rest of us can't because the "helicopter" has decided that we can't have those apps. EU Apple people will be able to shop around for better pricing. They will be able to buy direct from some developers to give the creators of the apps more money instead of only 70% or 85% of the money. Etc.
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This isn't competition, this is the force of the LAW! EU is out of development and innovation scene! EU is like parasite, who is trying to intervene and force its LAW in stranger's house!
EU'd rather create its own platform like China does and stop bullying around with US companies!
Why EU isn't pushing local manufacturer like BMW, Mercedes and so on?
The customers want to modify their own cars but they can't. EU, where are you?
It's totally biased decision by EU against US companies. Let's do hope US and China will bring down EU economy down to the knee.
 
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