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Is there any proof, or reasonable theory, that another network wouldn't suffer the same struggles as AT&T has in these markets if they had the exclusive rights to the iPhone?

ATT's CTO recently said that it's not just the iPhone that's caused the overload. He says the 18x increase in data over the past few years is also caused by a huge customer uptake in phones with quick messaging built-in. He also says the number of ATT voice calls doubled in the same time.

It follows that all carriers have had increased voice and data usage for similar reasons. We know that the number of people who've dropped landlines for cell phones has increased incredibly over the past years, and now there are more homes with just cells than just landlines.

So it's not an iPhone specific problem to begin with. However, as whether other networks would have the same struggles, the CDMA carriers would have very different symptoms.

Verizon keeps 3G voice and data communications separate. This means that an overload of 3G data users could not cause dropped voice calls, as happens with ATT.

Verizon and Sprint also designed their cell network for CDMA radio coverage from the start. This is critical planning. ATT did not, since they started with GSM, and this shows up with poor 3G WCDMA cell breathing behavior.

So while they could have similar data overload throughput problems, the dropped call and/or fallback to 2G problem would not exist in anywhere near the same way.
 
I haven't had a single dropped call (on my end) since I got the 3GS. I had a couple with my 3G but after a few software updates, the dropped calls stopped.

...sometimes I think please just bitch about stuff so they don't have to think about how effed up their lives are :p
 
The iPhone's antenna design is crappy.

I have a Nokia (N75) for work and my iPhone and I can tell you for a fact that the iPhone has issues in places where the Nokia has none.
Both are on AT&T... while I won't say AT&T is blameless, Apple needs to take serious note of Nokia's antenna design.
 
I haven't had a single dropped call (on my end) since I got the 3GS. I had a couple with my 3G but after a few software updates, the dropped calls stopped.

...sometimes I think please just bitch about stuff so they don't have to think about how effed up their lives are :p
I have a dropped call just about every call I make that's over 10 minutes. I will admit that MOST of the time it's when I'm driving in the car (yes, I use a BT headset) so maybe it has to do with switching from tower to tower. I don't live in a big city so it isn't system overload. Thing is, I don't care all that much since I use data most of the time and it's freaking quick.
 
Well....

I live in San Diego (right in the city). I have had an iPhone since day one. I have had 3 or 4 dropped calls in that whole time.

I had a Sprint phone and had dropped calls every day previous to my iPhone.

ATT is way better than Sprint here (in my experiance).


I live just north west of Black Mountain. I can see the cell towers on top of Black Mountain. The only place on my property where there is a decent cell signal is in a 3rd story room of my house. I was in Solana Beach today....dropped calls. I was in Encinitas today...dropped calls. Fairbanks Ranch? Forget about it. Rancho Santa Fe? No way, Jose? I can go on and on.

Now for a really funny one: A close friend lives in Atherton, CA in the Silicon Valley. One of the most affluent areas in the world and home to many Apple Execs. iPhones are useless in most of Atherton...but not Verizon or Sprint. :cool:
 
I've got a weak signal here at home, but that's because I kinda like in the boondocks. I have an occasional dropped call, like tonight, but that's kinda expected out here. Elsewhere around Atlanta, it's pretty solid. AT&T has a good network here. There are obviously issues in SF and NYC, but don't let that scare you away if you don't live or travel there. Just do some research where you live.
 
+1. I am honestly starting to think the antenna in the iPhone is just weak. Next to other AT&T serviced phones in my house, the iPhone has the weakest signal, consistently.

We actually switched from Sprint to AT&T because it got service in our house (due to a special insulation, signal strength is hard to come by), we have no home phone and rely on cell phones. My dad can actually leave his cell phone on the charger next to his bed in the back of the house and we will hear it ring, I can be in the kitchen full of windows and close to them and see "No Service" regularly.

Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone 3G but it is starting to make me wonder if AT&T is solely to blame or if other things were a priority and Apple just didn't quite get the antenna right.

Yeah I guess Apple didn't get the antenna right for the US model but apparently got it right for the models sold outside the US. :rolleyes:

The iPhone's antenna design is crappy.

I have a Nokia (N75) for work and my iPhone and I can tell you for a fact that the iPhone has issues in places where the Nokia has none.
Both are on AT&T... while I won't say AT&T is blameless, Apple needs to take serious note of Nokia's antenna design.

Errrrrrrrrrrr apparently the weak antenna of the iphone is only limited to the US models!
 
no , same signal issues everywhere....

Proof of this, I've used the iphone in 4 different countries with no signal issues. How many countries have you used the iphone in to come to this conclusion. Where are all the widespread iphone signal issues outside the USA? :rolleyes:
 
Proof of this, I've used the iphone in 4 different countries with no signal issues. How many countries have you used the iphone in to come to this conclusion. Where are all the widespread iphone signal issues outside the USA? :rolleyes:


don't need to...

If I use multiple versions of Phone A in location 1 over a period of 8 weeks and get no signal (3g or 2g or GPRS)

and then use Phones B,C,D,E,F and G in location 1 over the same time period and ALWAYS get some kind of signal (same sim card) then what does that say about Phone A.?


this isn't rocket science.

the iPhone is a great device but if you primarily need an actual phone then buy something else...nearly everything else is better.
 
I live and work in NYC. I average about 3 dropped calls per month. I get the same amount on my Verizon blackberry.

I also use more than 10 apps.
 
Errrrrrrrrrrr apparently the weak antenna of the iphone is only limited to the US models!
Pretty easy to determine with a simple A/B comparison.

My iPhone drops calls when my Nokia does not.
Same network, same location, different results.
I even swapped the SIM cards... didn't change anything.

That's all the proof I need. The iPhone has a crappy antennae.
 
Proof of this, I've used the iphone in 4 different countries with no signal issues. How many countries have you used the iphone in to come to this conclusion. Where are all the widespread iphone signal issues outside the USA? :rolleyes:

The UK has similar issues. I imagine most other countries do too, but the lack of English speaking residents limit reports.

It's not specifically the iPhone's arial - (though it's arial isn't very good...) it's it's power management. It's not a singular issue, bit the most important one is that the iPhone switches it's cell radio from active to idle much, much more often than most phones, and this switch is sent to the network, which is hence flooded by all these notifications.

Oddly, most Android phones have a very similar issue.

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Not only do I have great call service with AT&T, it's actually not all about the calls for me and many others. I care at least as much about data, apps, text, etc.
 
I always feel like Apple fans drink wayyyy too much Kool Aid lol.

AT&T isn't great BUT GUESS WHAT? In my house share we have as many as 5 iPhones here at a time between us. The roommie with the AT&T Blackberry always has significantly better call quality and reception. Every blackberry we get in the house works better darn it!
 
I always feel like Apple fans drink wayyyy too much Kool Aid lol.

AT&T isn't great BUT GUESS WHAT? In my house share we have as many as 5 iPhones here at a time between us. The roommie with the AT&T Blackberry always has significantly better call quality and reception. Every blackberry we get in the house works better darn it!

Remind me not to move to your house. Oops, sorry, that was the Kool Aid speaking.
 
I'm not complaining. AT&T just activated a new 3G tower about a mile from my house today. Data rates now 1.6Mbps/230Kbps. I've always had perfect call quality here with 4 bars, now 5 and 3G data. Seems to me that AT&T is doing what they need to do.
 
Never had any problems whatsoever with my phone. and the problem is that the iphone is so strong no network could deal with the usage we put on it. but att is investing 18 bil into their network so we should see an improvement.
 
I always feel like Apple fans drink wayyyy too much Kool Aid lol.

AT&T isn't great BUT GUESS WHAT? In my house share we have as many as 5 iPhones here at a time between us. The roommie with the AT&T Blackberry always has significantly better call quality and reception. Every blackberry we get in the house works better darn it!

Yes we all drink way to much Kool Aid because our phones don't drop calls or we have 3g coverage when others don't? Yeah that must be it......:rolleyes:
 
no , same signal issues everywhere....

I live in London and have a Blackberry and an iPhone on O2. The iPhone is horrible when it comes to getting and retaining a signal compared to the Blackberry. I agree with some others here the the iPhone is good at pretty much everything except being a phone.
 
In Las Vegas with full 3G service roughly 50% of my calls fail on the iPhone 3GS. And every time I report it with AT&T Mark The Spot App. Earlier I tried to call out with full 3G service and gave up after trying 11 times in a row and each call failing without even ringing. I love the iPhone but it is almost getting unbearable at this point as an actual calling device.
 
If your vacation plans finds you in Honolulu, bring the iPhone. Oahu has great AT&T and Verizon coverage for voice and data. :cool:
 
I can think of one place in all of Northern Virginia that my reception is spotty. I do quite a bit of bouncing around and I have no issues with dropped/failed calls.

And I agree with it not being about the calls. I'm sure a lot of people rely on their iPhones for work or other essential communications but honestly, if a little research had been done prior to buying the device these people would have been aware of reception issues before trapping themselves in a two year contract.

I don't spend all that much time talking on the phone so my interest in the iPhone was the UI and applications for pretty much any reason you could need one. For those who say "it's a phone first" take a step back and look at the device to which you're referring.
 
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