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I can't help but wondering... Are the Genius bar staff TRAINED to blame the customer for issues? I hear a lot of people who say the Genius bar staff tried to blame them for a problem; I can't imagine this would be so widespread if this weren't the case.

You'd think the Geniuses are paid just as much regardless of whether they replace components or not... What motivation do they have to be arseholes instead of making the customer happy?
 
I'm not entirely sure, but I wouldn't be surprised. The way they act, you would think that the money for the part is coming out of their pocket, and that it is such a hassle for them, and basically trying every option to get out of repairing it. I'm not sure if it's just a bad store as every one of my friends who uses this store has had the same treatment.

When I went in for the second repair, the genius said that it was more than likely caused by smoking, to which I answered "I don't smoke, never have, never will". He then had the cheek to reply "Oh it's just that it's got a yellowish tinge and I can actually smell nicotine off the machine" Those were his exact words. I don't see why the manager and sales staff are among some of the best in retail, yet when it comes to the genius bar, every single one of them has a chip on their shoulder and doesn't want to help if it means new parts.

There was one female who I dealt with before whose attitude was so bad I had to leave the store before losing my temper. It was regarding the bezel and I asked how long it would take, she was very snappy and I told her that this is my only machine and I need it for my work and she said "Well you can't just expect to come in and get it done straight away, there are other customers you know?" Absolutely shocking, and not what I expected at all from Apple employees.
 
It's almost getting to the point that you need to pull out your iPhone and tell the clerk/Genius "this session will be recorded for quality assurance purposes" and threaten to show it to management if you aren't satisfied....I bet the cheeky comments would have been greatly reduced.
 
He then had the cheek to reply "Oh it's just that it's got a yellowish tinge and I can actually smell nicotine off the machine" Those were his exact words.

I'd have told him to **** his mother. Shortly after which, assuming I hadn't already been chucked out, I would've told him that nicotine is an odourless compound - so he must be a 'genius' if he's able to smell it.


Bell-end.
 
My step-dad actually said to him that nicotine doesn't smell and that what he was saying is obviously a standard response as I got the same treatment the first time it was in for an LCD repair with the same problem. Really is a shame that the sales staff and management can be so friendly and helping, yet the staff at the genius bar who obviously think they know it all are the ones with the problems. And they are the folk that you will probably be dealing with for a longer length of time so it's not always as good an experience as it should be!
 
I'm glad you got a good resolution.

After reading your initial post, I think you made a few too many assumptions to get to anything close to "deceit".

I've worked in the tech industry and I'll be honest - most of the time it really is the owner's fault, and most of the time they have no idea what they're doing. They don't understand how anything works, and because they don't know how computers work in general, they make pretty ridiculous conclusions.

So I tend to give computer techs a bit of a break because they deal with ignorant people all day every day. It just sounds to me like you had a tech that was careless, got a repair ticket mixed up and put the wrong board back in your iMac. I can't imagine anything close to lies, deceit, etc happening. What's the motivation? You go in, explain it, problem solved. Sounds fairly straight forward.

Awesome job on their part to solve the problem and that's pretty consistent with what I've heard Apple's customer service looks like. Nice to know it's still happening that way.
 
I am actually a certified grade 4 repair tech, having worked in both Apple approved and network approved repair centres here in Scotland. I don't think for a minute that he got the repair sheets mixed up, and that he made a hash of the repair. The way the whole process has panned out from booking it in to the phone calls, to the hidden downgrade of my board/cpu is bang out of order, and I wish instead of the lies or deception which is what this really amounts to, he admitted he made an arse of it basically. But if he done that, then he would be responsible, not me, and they couldn't be having that. The way it is now, I had to goto management who weren't happy with him at all, the manager said this was "a cardinal sin on their behalf and should never happen". The tech can make such a bad mistake in replacing a board and cpu with a downgrade and wiping the hard drive, if that was a mixup, then I don't think he should be working there because it is a pretty big thing to get wrong.

That being said, I have nothing but praise for the customer service shown by the manager and can only thank him for the way he solved the problem and the manner in which he done so.
 
In actual fact, Nicotine certainly does have an acrid smell.

We'll have to disagree on that, friend. Perhaps in sufficiently voluminous quantities it may have an odour of some kind (I don't work in the tobacco industry, or anything), but within my experience of medical science it's odourless and colourless. The scent and yellow staining associated with cigarette smoke arise from other compounds.

If you can point me to something that says the contrary, I'd be interested to read it.
 
OP = glad you got it sorted, I think you let them off lightly though.

in my experience your original debacle is just par for the course with Apple UK.
 
Well I had went in with the mentality that I was gonna take it as far as possible and really give the manager some grief and full explain my disappointment etc etc but honestly, the way the manager dealt with it, I feel I would have been a bit of a knob to give him grief for it. He acknowledged that there had been a serious mixup, and couldn't have helped any more. It's sorted now, but as I said earlier, any time I'm getting a repair from them I will be extra picky and make sure everything is perfect and if it's not, then I will complain rather than get angry over it.
 
Good job on walking in there without flaming, because I would've been beyond pissed off if I had walked in.

I just can't see how someone gets hired to a great job, and after all of that training, they're just so careless -- it doesn't make sense, I mean think about it.

Usually when your dealing with "customer service" (eg. Genius Bar), they would want to help you, but at the same time get you out as fast as possible.

This guy did exactly that, and then damaged the machine, blamed and accused you of it, lied to you, and then downgraded your computer. I mean does he really think he could get away with something like that?

Maybe it was an accident on the i5 and i7 thing, but he still accused you of the faults for the machine, and nicotine is pretty much odorless, so he obviously wasn't a "genius".

It's sad too, because I have read stories about Geniuses being so fantastic, to the point of where no other customer service center would go. In fact, I read one story where the a guy walked in and said, "My iPhone is broken, it will not work right at all." The lady genius then said, "Oh, I see. Well, I really can't help you out there, because the moisture indicator has been turned and a fair amount of moisture has entered the phone."

To this, the guy with the broken iPhone then replied, "Oh please, it was probably from the humidity, steam from the shower, or rain. I didn't drop it in water at all." The lady genius then said, "Hmmm... Let me see your phone." She took his phone, threw it on the floor, and then said, "Oh, well now I guess I have to replace it because I damaged it, and then gave him a new phone. Fantastic customer service on that one.
 
I think it is just hit or miss with who you deal with. I have had many friends who have had problems with their iPhone, and they just replace the phone there and then, no questions asked. With an iPhone I had before, they were nothing but helpful and replaced one that I had just bought from the o2 store because it wouldn't register. Then you get others who I have mentioned in this thread, and 2-3 others who I had to deal with for other things in the past who you really have to wonder how they get by.

I have applied to Apple for a genius vacancy twice, and haven't heard anything back. My CV should be perfect for what they are looking for judging by their description. A few of my friends have also applied, who are far better qualified than me for it, and no response. You really have to wonder how they select the staff that they do, because with some of the horror stories you read on here and elsewhere online, sometimes they are nothing more than idiots left in charge of your sometimes prized possessions.
 
You really have to wonder how they select the staff that they do, because with some of the horror stories you read on here and elsewhere online, sometimes they are nothing more than idiots left in charge of your sometimes prized possessions.

I'm sure if u worked there, there would be customers who thought you were an idiot too.
Working as a tech like a genius is hard friggen work.
 
If that is the case, why has my hard drive been formatted, a new logic board and i5 processor installed for an LCD repair?

My guess is that they made a mistake and switched the machines, yours is probably formatted and sitting in the corner somewhere - or does the serial # match? Either way from my personal experience (I do not work for apple) They'll make your situation right. Just ask to speak to a store manager and explain the situation, also i wouldn't jump to accusations right away, be polite and explain how frustrated you are.

As long as you have a backup, and you explain all this to a store manager, you're pretty much guaranteed to be going home with a brand new machine. I mean this is why apple's retail presence is so fantastic, they make it right.

Yea sometimes the headaches are a pain, but I can think of no other company that could fix your situation as easily as Apple is going to fix your situation tomorrow when you go in there.... oh and if you press just a little bit they'll probably throw in a $200 valued item off the shelf for your troubles.

Seriously, they're gonna make you happy. I'd bet on it.
 
My guess is that they made a mistake and switched the machines, yours is probably formatted and sitting in the corner somewhere - or does the serial # match? Either way from my personal experience (I do not work for apple) They'll make your situation right. Just ask to speak to a store manager and explain the situation, also i wouldn't jump to accusations right away, be polite and explain how frustrated you are.

As long as you have a backup, and you explain all this to a store manager, you're pretty much guaranteed to be going home with a brand new machine. I mean this is why apple's retail presence is so fantastic, they make it right.

Yea sometimes the headaches are a pain, but I can think of no other company that could fix your situation as easily as Apple is going to fix your situation tomorrow when you go in there.... oh and if you press just a little bit they'll probably throw in a $200 valued item off the shelf for your troubles.

Seriously, they're gonna make you happy. I'd bet on it.

HAHAH! I read his update after posting this... guess my bet would have paid off. (even my $200 guess)
 
I'm sure if u worked there, there would be customers who thought you were an idiot too.
Working as a tech like a genius is hard friggen work.

It's different when the tech lied to him, damaged his computer, downgraded it, and accused him of smoking and that he could "smell the nicotine on the machine" when in reality, nicotine is pretty much odorless unless you have huge quantities of it.
 
I went through a similar issue a few years back when my iBook G4 had started having display problems. I had it for six months and when not in use, it was kept in a brenthaven bag that I ordered with it.

I had only a minor scratch on the case but when it came back, not only was the LCD not replaced, the entire case came back looking like it looking like it was polished with sandpaper and had grease marks on the outer case and keyboard bed

I could tell the panel was never replaced as mine had a tiny knick on the matte coating. Low and behold, the same LCD panel came back with the same scratch yet the repair invoice stated that it was replaced. :mad:

I was also accused of water damage yet they would not state where until I pried and told them to provide me proof of which couldn't be produced.

Went rounds and rounds with them until customer relations stepped in and after nearly two months of fighting with stupid accusations on my behalf, I was presented with a brand new MacBook (Santa Rosa 3,1) and was able to pick up this new CTO unit as my iBook was ordered with a 100GB hard drive. They matched and exceeded my expectations for that move.
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True dat.

This was the Glasgow store. I can only sign high praises for the way the manager has dealt with this, and the general sales staff are superb. I would just say that as far as the genius bar staff, their attitude could do with a bit of improving.

But I'll say again, nothing but praise and thanks for the way the manager has dealt with this situation, and I have my confidence back with the store, although as far as repairs go, I will be very careful and inspect everything.

Couldn't agree more mate, been into the Glasgow store on several occasions and found the genius bar quite accusatory when I've had a problem. That said, last time I went in they were excellent, just depends on who you get on the day really.
 
We'll have to disagree on that, friend. Perhaps in sufficiently voluminous quantities it may have an odour of some kind (I don't work in the tobacco industry, or anything), but within my experience of medical science it's odourless and colourless. The scent and yellow staining associated with cigarette smoke arise from other compounds.

If you can point me to something that says the contrary, I'd be interested to read it.

See (2) here.
 
Couldn't agree more mate, been into the Glasgow store on several occasions and found the genius bar quite accusatory when I've had a problem. That said, last time I went in they were excellent, just depends on who you get on the day really.

Hi Nuts and HacKage,

Sorry to bump an older thread.

I took my iMac i7 27" in last weekend with dark patches as well as a yellow tint on the lower half of the display. The dark patches had got worse, possibly through playing a few games on my iMac.

Same store as the both of you. Buchanan Street, Glasgow.

The "genius" was so accusatory and condescending claiming it was all caused by "smoke damage", as if I was a naughty schoolboy. No-one smokes in my household!

The genius was sniffing my iMac saying it was definitely smoke damage and that it wasn't warrantable even though iMac was still under warranty. He acted so pi$$ed off with me and my other half.

He got so arsie about it but eventually said that they'd fix only because Apple "Weren't short a quid or two" (his words) and that only if I accept that it was smoke damage, that it'd be my repaired once only like a "golden ticket"??!

This chap was bald, bearded, mid-30's, and darn right rude! His name was Craig, although badge named him as "Craigie".

I've since found that after the repair that my DVD drive doesn't work from the work they've performed on it! It's just a day out of warranty now.

Over the past couple of years, I've personally spent around £5,000 on a top of the range iMac, Macbook Air, three Mac Minis, three iPhones, and a Timecapsule for the family. Will I buy Apple again? Probably not after this experience.

Has anyone else encountered this Craig or bad experiences at the Glasgow store?
 
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So you are going to let one person dictate how and where you spend your money just cause he was rude?

Just ask for someone else.

Honestly, I dunno why I would ever want to deal with some sales guy with a repair.

Always *call* applecare. 100X better service.
 
So you are going to let one person dictate how and where you spend your money just cause he was rude?

Just ask for someone else.

Honestly, I dunno why I would ever want to deal with some sales guy with a repair.

Always *call* applecare. 100X better service.

I agree. I ALWAYS call Apple when I have an issue. They always help and are NEVER rude.
 
It's different when the tech lied to him, damaged his computer, downgraded it, and accused him of smoking and that he could "smell the nicotine on the machine" when in reality, nicotine is pretty much odorless unless you have huge quantities of it.

The guy used the wrong terminology. He smelled the recognizable aroma that indicates possible smoke damage. You can't mistake it. My question: Did the OP also take a whiff? Did he/she smell it as well and just not know where it came from? Because if that's the case then smoke damage was entirely possible even if he/she wasn't the smoker.

Well I had went in with the mentality that I was gonna take it as far as possible and really give the manager some grief and full explain my disappointment etc etc but honestly, the way the manager dealt with it, I feel I would have been a bit of a knob to give him grief for it. He acknowledged that there had been a serious mixup, and couldn't have helped any more. It's sorted now, but as I said earlier, any time I'm getting a repair from them I will be extra picky and make sure everything is perfect and if it's not, then I will complain rather than get angry over it.

My question: Why didn't you request to open it up, power it on and test it right there at the Bar to make sure all is well? I do believe they will do that if you ask them. If it's wrong you can get it pointed out right then and there.



I can't help but wondering... Are the Genius bar staff TRAINED to blame the customer for issues? I hear a lot of people who say the Genius bar staff tried to blame them for a problem; I can't imagine this would be so widespread if this weren't the case.

You'd think the Geniuses are paid just as much regardless of whether they replace components or not... What motivation do they have to be arseholes instead of making the customer happy?

I'm not entirely sure, but I wouldn't be surprised. The way they act, you would think that the money for the part is coming out of their pocket, and that it is such a hassle for them, and basically trying every option to get out of repairing it. I'm not sure if it's just a bad store as every one of my friends who uses this store has had the same treatment.

When I went in for the second repair, the genius said that it was more than likely caused by smoking, to which I answered "I don't smoke, never have, never will". He then had the cheek to reply "Oh it's just that it's got a yellowish tinge and I can actually smell nicotine off the machine" Those were his exact words. I don't see why the manager and sales staff are among some of the best in retail, yet when it comes to the genius bar, every single one of them has a chip on their shoulder and doesn't want to help if it means new parts.

There was one female who I dealt with before whose attitude was so bad I had to leave the store before losing my temper. It was regarding the bezel and I asked how long it would take, she was very snappy and I told her that this is my only machine and I need it for my work and she said "Well you can't just expect to come in and get it done straight away, there are other customers you know?" Absolutely shocking, and not what I expected at all from Apple employees.

I'm sure if u worked there, there would be customers who thought you were an idiot too.
Working as a tech like a genius is hard friggen work.

Working as a tech is actually easy. Dealing with customers is not. There's a significant difference. And by "customer" I mean anyone who asks you for help, family or otherwise.

Some customers are straight cool - they have a problem, they come to you as the expert and ask you to fix something. As a tech you then give your opinion about what's wrong and the solution your boss has given you the authority to employ. Customer agrees, the work is done (properly I hope), all's well with the world.

Some customers have entitlement issues. They mistreat their devices and expect you to work miracles no matter what, and come in pissy about the fact that their machine had a problem.

Some customers demand immediate results and don't seem to understand that they're not the only one you're helping, or that you actually have other work to be done. They think that their issue, whether small or large, is the only one that matters, and that they should be the priority.

Some customers don't seem to understand the basic fact that technology can fail, especially if you don't take care of it, and they take that fact out on you as if you're the one who made it fail.

Some customers are just cheap and refuse to buy a new machine, instead attempting to force their old machine to run stuff it's not wanting to, then yelling at you about why you can't make it go faster.

Some customers don't understand that even though there is a "Genius Bar", it's not an "Open" bar. They have the right to refuse service or make you wait if you don't have an appointment. They tell you this yet customers totally ignore it in their mad dash for their next i-Device.

Now, all that said, I've had to use Genius Bar once. It was quite a pleasant experience, and I work in IT. That was for the 2011 MBP issue with uneven backlighting, dead pixel, and heat issue.

First step (that a LOT of people seem to forget to do) is I booked an appointment online. That was very easy to do, took a few minutes.

Second step, I brought it in at the scheduled time. The Genius asked what the problem was, I initially got a little annoyed because I put that on the appointment form, but I still explained it calmly and showed him what was happening. While this was going on, another chick stomped into the store up to the Bar and said loudly, "My phone don't work, I need another one!" One of the floor reps asked if she had an appointment, the chick said "no, why do I need one, I just need someone to look at my phone!" It was a facepalm moment, ultimately, she had to wait, and kudos to Apple for not kowtowing to her.

Third step, the Genius agreed with the dead pixel, was skeptical about the backlight until I showed him in darkened conditions, I mean it was really bad. The floor model had the same issue, so he offered to just swap it out. Didn't even get to mention the heat issue.

Fourth step, he gets the new one and asks me to open it right there and make sure I'm satisfied with it before I leave the store. So I check it out, it's fine, 6 key backlight is still low but the rest were a lot brighter, no dead pixel.

Fifth he does it as a return and re-purchase and applies a corporate discount that I should have gotten in the first place, so money comes back on my card.


Dunno what the deal is with some of you guys' Apple Stores and their Genius employees. The one near me has been quite good. But then again, if I get something serviced, I also check it out before I take it home. Mistakes happen.
 
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