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Should Apple hire a visionary like Elon Musk?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 36.8%
  • No

    Votes: 24 63.2%

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hawkeye_a

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Jun 27, 2016
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I’d be happy with someone who was actually passionate about the quality of end product and user experience. Now they all just come off as bean counters trying to maximize revenues and profits.

I miss Steve Jobs’ “geek appeal”. The managers they parade on stage these days just come off as “business ppl”, over-rehearsed...... and fake.

The only exception is Craig Federighi IMHO.
 

akash.nu

macrumors G4
May 26, 2016
10,870
16,998
I’d be happy with someone who was actually passionate about the quality of end product and user experience. Now they all just come off as bean counters trying to maximize revenues and profits.

I miss Steve Jobs’ “geek appeal”. The managers they parade on stage these days just come off as “business ppl”, over-rehearsed...... and fake.

The only exception is Craig Federighi IMHO.

We also need to remember that apple has moved on as a company since Steve passed away. The bigger you get the challenges change. A company can’t successfully carry on with the same strategy when everything around them is changing so rapidly.
 

neutrino23

macrumors 68000
Feb 14, 2003
1,881
391
SF Bay area
Steve had a complex set of skills. Personally, I think one of his greatest assets was being able to push against the inertia of the herd and the bureaucracy to get things to happen. One of my favorite anecdotes was when Apple pulled the iPod mini are replaced it with iPod nano. At the time the mini was the best selling iPod and hadn't been on the market all that long. In most companies the powers that be would have pushed to keep selling that to get a better return on investment. Steve pulled it and replaced it with the nano because it was better. Better you kill your product than someone else does.

Lots of people have cool ideas about future products. Go watch The Shape of Things to Come created by H. G. Wells in 1933. You see hints of technology that has just come to pass. In about 1990 Apple put out a video, Knowledge Navigator, which shows someone using an iPad with a Siri-like assistant with a great internet connection. The telephone and iPad were combined. Dick Tracy had a watch that somewhat foretold Apple Watch.

My point is that it is not that Apple just suddenly dreamed up the iPhone, iPad, Watch, etc. in the last decade or so. Ideas for these have been around for a long time. The genius of Apple is quite complex. They have to time a product introduction for just when the technology is available to make something. Too soon and the product is a complete failure. Too late and others will beat you to it. Apple also has to instill high quality, design and integrate new products with the existing array products.

I think what most people here really want is a champion. Someone who will go to bat for the Mac product line and for macOS. Because Steve Jobs studied calligraphy in college he had an appreciation for this and pushed for Apple products to support great font rendering. If Steve hadn't been exposed to calligraphy would the original Macintosh have done such a nice job of rendering fonts? It is not that Apple couldn't do a better job of supporting the Mac. It is that there is not a loud voice in the room calling for that. Who would do this? Jony Ives? Phil? Eddy? Craig? They have their strengths and their interests and I applaud their efforts, but I don't see any of them as real champions inside Apple for the Mac platform.

Tim Cook is doing a fantastic job of keeping Apple on an even keel, delivering huge volumes of products more or less on time and keeping Apple financially healthy.

What we need is a lobbyist. A Senior VP of Macintosh who will interact with the pro users and prosumer users and industry at large and then go back to Apple, work with their design team to pull together the most useful ideas, and lobby for features that will keep the Mac at the forefront of greatness.

Anyway, my two cents.
 

jdiamond

macrumors 6502a
Dec 17, 2008
699
535
Do you think it would benefit Apple to hire a visionary like Elon Musk, or are they better served staying the course with Tim Cook?

I think the key element here is that Steve Jobs was himself a user of his technology, so he could (as one person) do a pretty good job of representing the user. That's why he didn't need marketing groups and could tell his development teams to go to hell. Tim Cook is *clearly* not a user, and now customer's needs aren't being heard at Apple because no one there can represent us. Instead, Tim delegates to his VPs and if they claim the new keyboard is cool or Apple music is as good as Pandora, Tim takes their word for it. (For Steve Jobs, that would have been a "mobile me" moment.)

So I think "visionary" is too vague and not needed - I think all Tim Cook is lacking is "knowing what's good and useful" to the end customer. That and his classic business greed of forcing the customer to upgrade instead of enticing the customer to upgrade.
 

Lioness~

macrumors 68040
Apr 26, 2017
3,395
4,227
Sweden
I think this time after Steve died have been pretty critical and extremely full of pressure for Tim and the whole Apple. To do the right things, to not be negatively affected of Steve’s death in the company, but find inspiration in a grieving time. Not easy, but it have 'worked', even if everyone isn’t happy with everything Apple is doing.
We have seen Tim fix it. And yet we are displeased?!
Because he’s no Steve, who is? There’s no one else like Steve, simple as that.

Apple have changed, but they have expanded. I hope they have more peace in the company now.

Many of us buyers have been extremely critical in our grief. And projected all that on Tim.
He is so bad, he only cares about money, etc, etc. He’s not Steve, he’s destroying Apple etc, etc.

To the question: Sure, it would be wonderful if they now have more peace in Apple now and find people with new visions. Tim hasn’t. But he have built up Apple during a critical time.
And the Apple Store lady sure has no visions either.

I really hope some real leader will bring new ideas to Apple. Hope Apple will see that they will need some brilliant creative leader who actually can lead Apple.
But as someone said, it doesn’t have to be a new CEO.
Don’t think Musk would be interested though. He’s into enough anyway.
Must be some inspiring and focused people in the computer business somewhere.
The keynotes are as boring as (add any **** word here) these days though. Some stressed maniacs that rants way too much ****
 
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AidenShaw

macrumors P6
Feb 8, 2003
18,667
4,677
The Peninsula
If Apple could just fix and improve their shotty software, thaaat'd be greeaat.
Apple should also fix their shotty computers.... Soldering everything to the motherboard and/or using proprietary SSD memory modules is shameless.

Also, selling a system with mid-range Radeon GPUs as "FirePro" is outrageous - even before you consider that the GPUs not only had a proprietary form factor but having been failing at a phenomenal rate.
 
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senttoschool

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HJM.NL

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Jul 25, 2016
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It's years overdue already. Since 2012 they've lost focus and the eager for progress. I'm already trying to get out of Apple's ecotrap and, until WWDC 2019 restores some trust, everything new won't come from Apple for me.

Stale progress in their hard- and software offerings together with excessive pricing is to blame.
 

gnasher729

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Nov 25, 2005
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Do you think it would benefit Apple to hire a visionary like Elon Musk, or are they better served staying the course with Tim Cook?

Hiring Elon Musk would be an absolute PR disaster in the UK. Here, he is known as a sore loser, who can't admit that some diver knows more about saving kids trapped in a cave in Thailand than this know-it-all American bastard. Same calibre as Donald Trump who couldn't keep his mouth shut when Notre Dame was burning and had to pretend to know more than French fire fighters. (While Elon Musk would have killed a dozen kids if they only had listened to him, following Trump's advice would have destroyed that cathedral completely).
 

Akrapovic

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Aug 29, 2018
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Hiring Elon Musk would be an absolute PR disaster in the UK. Here, he is known as a sore loser, who can't admit that some diver knows more about saving kids trapped in a cave in Thailand than this know-it-all American bastard. Same calibre as Donald Trump who couldn't keep his mouth shut when Notre Dame was burning and had to pretend to know more than French fire fighters. (While Elon Musk would have killed a dozen kids if they only had listened to him, following Trump's advice would have destroyed that cathedral completely).

He's South African. Probably should know these things when ranting about how terrible someone is.

And no, of course, Apple should not hire Elon Musk (as if he's after another job). But I do like everyone sitting on the internet calling him a loser and what not. Dude quite literally revolutionised the space industry. What exactly have all us internet experts achieved? Christ.
 
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Darth Tulhu

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Steve had a complex set of skills. Personally, I think one of his greatest assets was being able to push against the inertia of the herd and the bureaucracy to get things to happen. One of my favorite anecdotes was when Apple pulled the iPod mini are replaced it with iPod nano. At the time the mini was the best selling iPod and hadn't been on the market all that long. In most companies the powers that be would have pushed to keep selling that to get a better return on investment. Steve pulled it and replaced it with the nano because it was better. Better you kill your product than someone else does.

Lots of people have cool ideas about future products. Go watch The Shape of Things to Come created by H. G. Wells in 1933. You see hints of technology that has just come to pass. In about 1990 Apple put out a video, Knowledge Navigator, which shows someone using an iPad with a Siri-like assistant with a great internet connection. The telephone and iPad were combined. Dick Tracy had a watch that somewhat foretold Apple Watch.

My point is that it is not that Apple just suddenly dreamed up the iPhone, iPad, Watch, etc. in the last decade or so. Ideas for these have been around for a long time. The genius of Apple is quite complex. They have to time a product introduction for just when the technology is available to make something. Too soon and the product is a complete failure. Too late and others will beat you to it. Apple also has to instill high quality, design and integrate new products with the existing array products.

I think what most people here really want is a champion. Someone who will go to bat for the Mac product line and for macOS. Because Steve Jobs studied calligraphy in college he had an appreciation for this and pushed for Apple products to support great font rendering. If Steve hadn't been exposed to calligraphy would the original Macintosh have done such a nice job of rendering fonts? It is not that Apple couldn't do a better job of supporting the Mac. It is that there is not a loud voice in the room calling for that. Who would do this? Jony Ives? Phil? Eddy? Craig? They have their strengths and their interests and I applaud their efforts, but I don't see any of them as real champions inside Apple for the Mac platform.

Tim Cook is doing a fantastic job of keeping Apple on an even keel, delivering huge volumes of products more or less on time and keeping Apple financially healthy.

What we need is a lobbyist. A Senior VP of Macintosh who will interact with the pro users and prosumer users and industry at large and then go back to Apple, work with their design team to pull together the most useful ideas, and lobby for features that will keep the Mac at the forefront of greatness.

Anyway, my two cents.

Your two cents are worth more than that. I agree completely.

My observation is that Tim is taking Steve's Post-PC vision a bit too far, while ignoring the Mac (notebooks primarily) and attempting to merge it into iOS.

The Mac today sucks. It's a bad value proposition. They're all too expensive for what they are. They are way too limited for what they're meant to be, or rather, what they actually were before.

If Tim continues down the road I think he's in, the Mac will die and become an iPad with a keyboard.

It's funny, because iOS devices have their value spread evenly. The lowest end iPad is just as functional as the high end one. They have FIVE different form factors for that thing.

The MBPs are ALL ultrabooks, which makes them expensive. Apple should have kept the CMBPs as the 'low end' and provided something for users that need to be able to expand/upgrade/service their own machines. Same goes for other Macs.

And I think Tim is doing it all to make Apple more money. Every decision he's made with regards to Apple hardware has led to more lock-in, less manufacturing cost for them (via functionality omissions), and thus more wallet busting compensating for said manufacturing omissions on OUR end.

You need more internal storage? You HAVE to pay Apple's RIDICULOUS upcharge.
We can't decide on RAM? You BETTER pay up for Apple's RIDICULOUS upcharge.
You want to connect to something? You'll probably pay Apple for their dongles.
You have hardware issues of ANY kind? You have to go to Apple and PAY THEM to fix it.
Anything happens to your machine outside of the tiny warranty period? You might as well REPLACE the whole machine.

In short, Tim wants the Mac to be like iOS: Disposable.
 

TheFluffyDuck

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Jul 26, 2012
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I don’t think musk deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Jobs.
Musk is a joke compared to Jobs.

Steve Jobs has a partial credit in inventing the PC market along with Bill Gates. iPod credit goes to Kane Kramer which Apple acknowledges and the iPhone, sure. So ~1.5x industries at a stretch Jobs has influenced. On the other hand Elon Musk revolutionised 1) Online banking, 2) Mass market electric vehicles, and 3) reusable rockets, the biggest astronautical leap in technology since its inception. 4) As we speak, cheap satellite internet with Starlink. Not to mention his hobby companies with artificial intelligence, and industrial tunnelling and high speed transport. Steve jobs "hobby" if you remember was the Apple TV.

Jobs is a joke compared to Musk.
 

Akrapovic

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Aug 29, 2018
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Neither are a joke compared to each other. Musk has yet to revolutionise electric cars, as Tesla has yet to be proven to be a success. His achievements in the space launch industry are remarkable, however.
 

Nhwhazup

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Sep 2, 2010
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Actually, not sure if it’s visionary or not, but I’d prefer someone in charge getting back to the products working like they should - “It just works” would be nice to see again.
 

radiologyman

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Jul 23, 2011
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SJ was a rare kind and Musk is not the same personality. For starters, SJ was a perfectionist and would never go for car interior design with such compromises. Apple needs visionaries in charge of divisions, not necessarily as CEO
 
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ThunderSkunk

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Do you think it would benefit Apple to hire a visionary like Elon Musk, or are they better served staying the course with Tim Cook?
They shouldn’t need to hire one. Chances are they have plenty of them already. There are people working in product all over the place that are such visionaries. It’s just really rare that any of them are given a greater voice than any of the other design & marketing visionaries at the table. And rarer that they end up in management. Typically being a visionary isn’t worth very much.
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he is trying to open a new frontier in technology to bring all of us forward. His ideas and tenacity is solid.

Almost like he has a pretty clear... vision... of a future that he’s working toward by building huge companies and organizing the labor of thousands of people in order to move the technology and culture forward in resembling that vision... Hmmm... if only there were a word for such a person...
 
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