ok. my mistake then. but still if you don't like something about a product, don't continue supporting the company by buying their phones and tablets. they can do their business however they want.
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Should Apple let us 4S/5 Users downgrade to iOS 6?
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What an elitist aittitude!
Would you be ok if some business other than Apple told you how you could or could not use your coffee maker, your toaster or your television?
Oh sure, the customer can leave. That's always the solution! If you don't like it just leave. Otherwise just shut up and eat the crap they give you!
The complaint is about one aspect of the device, not the entire thing. I'm not down with the throw the baby out with the bathwater mentality over just one issue.
they're not telling you how you can use it. if you can put an old iOS version on there, do it. you can't put software on your coffee maker but that's not the manufacturer telling you how you can use it.
Yes they are, why not let owner who purchased devices go back to a version of the OS their device shipped with?
Apple attitude on this matter frankly stinks and its not limited to iOS, its the same with OS X.
As a consumer i should be able to pick what I'm running and WHEN, if i want to run mavericks, who's apple to tell me i can't?
do whatever you want with the device. if it doesn't meet your needs, get rid of it and never buy another apple product. seems simple enough to me.
Sure it is.
Pick whatever analogy you like, but if you put a limit on something arbitrarily you are telling the customer how it is they are allowed to use your product.
You're missing the point. You keep insisting that one problem we have with the device means we have a problem with the ENTIRE thing. It's not that simple.
so, to all the people complaining about this, were you not aware that apple did not have a way to downgrade your software version before you purchased your last iOS device?
Well, actually you can downgrade your Mac to any version you want. Just make a bootable USB of the OS X you want to install, backup your data, restart your Mac holding the option/alt key, choose to boot from the USB, wipe your HDD/SSD with the Disk Utility and then install OS X.
It would be amazing if it was so simple with iOS...
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so what's with all the complaining? do you complain about every other product in the world that you don't use? seems a bit strange to me.
I came on board with iOS 5 and the iPhone 3GS. It was possible back then up until the iPhone 4s and iOS 6.
But to directly answer your question, yes, since the iPhone 5 I've been quite aware of this. And I still bought the 5 and the 6+ and the 6s+. Because the entirety of the experience/product outweighs the inconvenience of not being allowed to downgrade/forced upgrading.
You're probably thinking then that I should just accept this as the cost of doing business with Apple - or leave and go Android. I reject that thinking, if it is what you are thinking. People buy products every day they are not entirely happy with, but the totality of it is enough to overcome the one (or two) negatives they have with the product. That's why business offers feedback.
But whatever I believe or think it won't change the fact that Apple currently will not allow this. I know that and I'm not in here every day on MR bemoaning that fact.
I do however, respond in threads when asked directly. Such is the case here.
I do use it, so given I've paid my money i have as much right as anyone one else to express a view...
You don't see me expressing views of products i don't own.
gotcha. i guess i just don't understand the people who expect a company to cater to their needs. there must be a good reason why Apple doesn't give you that option. to me, it just comes down to...their business, their rules
There is one reason. Among a number of other reasons I believe it's the sole reason for it and that it influences the other reasons.
Control.
Apple controls downgrading as a means to prevent jailbreaking, which in turn controls access to phone features that the user's carrier and plan have otherwise restricted, non-standard device setups and installation of non-Apple software that modifies iOS and thus deviates from the standard norm. It means less support issues (Apple doesn't troubleshoot jailbroken devices) and keeps the user base standardized within a few degrees of the same OS - which means solutions to user problems apply to a broader range of the user base.
And yes, some will argue that this control increases security.
It's that small surrender of a bit of control that drives me to jailbreaking. For Apple, it's that small gain of control that allows them to counter jailbreaking.
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That is easy for me to understand. I worked in IT for a large company. We found that we could minimize problems on our PCs by limiting the customization that was done by the users. We eventually locked them down pretty well. Less tinkering, less problems. Some of the users complained but it was a business decision.
Allowing downgrading would cause serious issues with 3rd party app developers also..... A large percentage of apps will not run on anything less than 8 ..... Adoption rate to the newer firmware is high. I can't see Apple creating a issue like that as well as ruining their number one way to get customers to upgrade to a new device. It just doesn't make them money. In the end, that's all it's really about.
People that lurking this forum, should know by now Apple's policy about their iOS and ecosystem.
Outside this forum, most of the ppl i know dont bother with iOS upgrades\downgrades (same goes with Jailbreaking), most of them still using the same iOS their phone came with (as well as non of them complains about any issues you read in this forum...), unless they force to upgrade coz of an app they using regularly.
Outside this forum, most of the ppl i know dont bother with iOS upgrades\downgrades (same goes with Jailbreaking), most of them still using the same iOS their phone came with (as well as non of them complains about any issues you read in this forum...), unless they force to upgrade coz of an app they using regularly.
Nothing about my pattern of app useage has changed since iOS 6. If you handed me a phone with iOS 6 on it I would be able to do everything on it that I do on my iOS 9 device right now.
I'm probably an anomaly, I admit that, but if you're choosing to use outdated versions of iOS you can't complain about lack of apps or app support. Find another way if that's what you want. Or upgrade and stop complaining. One or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too in this instance.
If Apple were ever to give us that choice that would be my advice.
I can see where you're coming from. Just pointing out one reason why hanging back on older versions could be an issue to some. At one point even native iOS apps are updated, like messages, or notes, sooner or later a user on 6 would run into an issue ( not that emoji's are a big deal ) but they're an example of how outdated native apps don't respond or perform 'correctly' with updated apps and firmware. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to hang back in 6 too..... I just think the ability to do so would create issues users would ultimately blame devs for.
I get you. And if I were the type of user that was always downloading new apps and using my phone like a computer then this would be different for me.
But again, there is nothing I do that can't be accomplished in iOS 6. Hell, I could go back to my 2009 HTC Touch Pro and still function because nothing I do has gone beyond the basics.
But for the scenario you spin, yes I can see that.
But again, there is nothing I do that can't be accomplished in iOS 6. Hell, I could go back to my 2009 HTC Touch Pro and still function because nothing I do has gone beyond the basics.
But for the scenario you spin, yes I can see that.