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should i buy 6,1 now(2019)?

xnathanh said:
thank you guys help :),i just paid $2400 for brand new/never open(with apple care) mac pro 6,1-8core-d700-32gb-256gb, i will upgrade to 128gb ram for another $500

here is reson:
1.i need 64gb ram at least
2.don't need powerful gpu
3.Energy saving :Donly 450w on this 6,1
4.i can't wait for new macpro
5.guess new macpro price will over $4900+tax
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Wow, great price! Apple charges $2400 alone for just a 128GB RAM upgrade on an iMac Pro :), and I'm sure the 2019 Mac Pro will be similar (even OWC 128GB for the iMac Pro is $1900) . Not to mention a refurb 8-core d700 is $3400 on Apple's site (without apple care).
 
The biggest issue with Apple though relies in the GPU. The companies that make them 3rd party just make them too big for apples standards. Apple wants to be all cutesy and make the thinnest crap possible. Maybe if Apple would buy ATI or Nvidia they could work theses problems out, and possibly ARM could give them some assistance in designing a perfect sized GPU. Instead we get a proprietary trash can that is going to be a brick in a few years.
 
^^^^In a few years - It was a "brick" the day it was released 13879dunno.gif

Lou
 
flowrider said:
^^^^The 5,1 cMP is already listed as vintage by Apple. There is no way the next OS will be allowed to install on a 5,1 cMP. By hacking, yes, but by a normal install - Nope!

Lou
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There isn't much technology wise that can change that would disqualify the cMP from the next MacOS release. Metal was the only obstacle for Mojave. I think you will see the next 2 releases will be more of a polishing and bug fixing of Mojave. Sort of like El Captian, Sierra and High Sierra. Since it seems that Apple does the software generations in 3s that is what I'm basing my speculation on. There isn't anything in either of those releases that disqualified certain models. Having said that after the Mojave variants are released the next block of releases will be the disqualifying ones for the cMP.
 
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^^^^Never said it wouldn't work in a 5,1 cMP. I just said that Apple would not allow it on a normal install. Already in HS a 4,1 cMP is ineligible for an install unless upgraded to a 5,1:

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Lou
 
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No I think they will leave it alone for a while and do some polishing and tweaking to get everything just right so it will be supported natively on the 5,1 and then phase out the cMP all together. At least that is what I'm hoping for. :D:D:D:D Unlike some of the other models the cMP has a huge following and not everyone upgraded from the cMP to the trashcan. Somehow Apple needs to impress those people to upgrade. Their current offerings just aren't getting it done. The iMac Pro isn't really what it's cracked up to be and from what I'm reading has huge thermal issues as does the new MacMini. In reality Tim will do what he wants even if it tanks. Personally I think Apple has too many models of product and instead of 4 great product lines you have like 10 mediocre ones. I do seriously doubt that we will ever see a MacPro in a tower design ever again.
 
xnathanh said:
thank you guys help :),i just paid $2400 for brand new/never open(with apple care) mac pro 6,1-8core-d700-32gb-256gb, i will upgrade to 128gb ram for another $500

here is reson:
1.i need 64gb ram at least
2.don't need powerful gpu
3.Energy saving :Donly 450w on this 6,1
4.i can't wait for new macpro
5.guess new macpro price will over $4900+tax
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Sounds like good specs for the price and good reasoning behind the decision! And if you ever require a more modern GPU, have a look at builds and performance over at egpu.io . Also don't forget you can plug in your own SSD.
 
verdejt said:
There isn't much technology wise that can change that would disqualify the cMP from the next MacOS release. Metal was the only obstacle for Mojave. I think you will see the next 2 releases will be more of a polishing and bug fixing of Mojave. Sort of like El Captian, Sierra and High Sierra. Since it seems that Apple does the software generations in 3s that is what I'm basing my speculation on. There isn't anything in either of those releases that disqualified certain models. Having said that after the Mojave variants are released the next block of releases will be the disqualifying ones for the cMP.
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Great call. You predicted that perfectly. I couldn't have written a script more accurately. I think Catalina is just a big iPad app now, with roadblocks everywhere that preclude the chances for successful unsupported machine builds soon. Even the supported beta's are buggy as hell. Many beta testers are backing out. It's just an exercise in frustration. I'm feeling alienated by Apple after over 20 years exclusively with them. Feels like betrayal, sad and unnecessary. Guess I should grow up, lol. So what do you predict next?
 
Kevbasscat said:
Great call. You predicted that perfectly. I couldn't have written a script more accurately. I think Catalina is just a big iPad app now, with roadblocks everywhere that preclude the chances for successful unsupported machine builds soon. Even the supported beta's are buggy as hell. Many beta testers are backing out. It's just an exercise in frustration. I'm feeling alienated by Apple after over 20 years exclusively with them. Feels like betrayal, sad and unnecessary. Guess I should grow up, lol. So what do you predict next?
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I think that if Apple had not come up with a new MacPro then "Catalina" would have been released with cMP support. It wouldn't be the same Catalina that is being released today.It would have been on par with something like High Sierra was to Sierra. Apple wants so badly to sell the new MacPro and move to a more "app" like operating system that the older systems soon are going to be left out. Once Catalina is stable and working well I see a total almost complete "purge" of older models that won't be supported. I would say that if your Mac isn't a 2015 or newer look for it to be not supported on the next full MacOS after Catalina.
 
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nmp could be considered as mac midi, something between mac mini and macpro7,1
Nice little machine for everyday tasks, sometimes freezes if uses d300
 
verdejt said:
I think that if Apple had not come up with a new MacPro then "Catalina" would have been released with cMP support.
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MacPro5,1 support was dropped due to Intel refusing to patch microcodes for MDS for all issued (and upgradeable) processors for MP5,1 (and MP4,1).

See this PDF from Intel and go to page 21:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...A00233-microcode-update-guidance_05132019.pdf

This not only impacts supporting the latest OS (Catalina), but impacts existing available and still supported older OS versions (Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave). This move (or lack of support) from Intel is a big deal for cMP users. Apple's software level OS mitigation for MDS is limited, at best.
 
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