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Technarchy

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I'll be getting a SIM for my iPhone 5 and will be using it as my daily driver for a few weeks and giving my GS4 a rest.

24 hours is not enough time with iOS 7 to have a fully formed opinion, so I want to live with it daily and see what is all in there.
 

Oohara

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I keep reading about the terrible UI animations. Can you elaborate what they are exactly besides apps launching slowly? I'm very curious.

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Really interesting stuff.

I guess now that the coat of paint is wearing off, people are discovering that it's still just iOS, limitations and all -- and possibly worse...

Well, going from the homescreen to an app and back again is the worst case with the animations, this alone begins to feel too much very quickly. Then you have this side "swoosh" in the settings, and the mimicking-real-physics motions in the multitasking interface - they're not really "wrong" as such, just too slow. I felt like the whole UI was working against me, that I had to push and prod it to get to where I wanted. Frustrating.

There's a good run through of most of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4ROpIognDiY#t=52

Also it has to do with the impact on the eyes that all this animation has - in conjunction with all the other clutter. The crammed together Command Center and the general appearance of these quite stark new icons for instance. Perhaps if the graphical qualities of the UI in general were just a tad less "much" AND the animations were faster, it'd be a lot better.

But, then there's also this kind of general lack of balance in the design. The calendar for instance, which I think is beautiful at first glance, but when you begin to put it to use, it also starts feeling a bit...much. Which in turn clashes with the design of the Reminders app. And then the step back in terms of "obvious" navigation, where clickable/moveable words have replaced symbols (like the swipe to unlock, on the lock screen).

It's all these things together. It just doesn't feel really consistent, not really confident - which is so unlike Apple. And there's just too much emphasis on style. One particular style as well, this kind of 80's inspired color set along with the stark, minimalist elements, which to me doesn't pack the same "general" appeal as the iOS 6 design language did (aside from the overly skeumorphic stuff).

My guess is this will all get much better within 6 months or so, with faster animations and revamped Reminders app etc. But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward. And the real stuff we want them to open their eyes to - like customization of the Command Center - will probably not happen at all. - And all this while Google keeps getting their stuff more and more right with every release. I just feel like with iOS 7, Apple kind of tripped on their own shoelaces a bit while trying to catch up to Android, when they could have taken a scary big leap forward.

Not to worry though, the fingerprint reader and a Champagne color will keep the hipster crowd busy while Apple tends to repairs and keeps thinking about how to begin really innovating again. :D

What could get really interesting of course is if they find more uses for this motion processor, and iBeacon - the "inner" workings of iOS 7 that we aren't seeing nearly the full application of yet. But on the UI side of things... Like I said, I'm happier than ever to be using an Android phone, and more willing than ever to forgive its shortcomings. Because iOS 7 has far more of those.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Well, going from the homescreen to an app and back again is the worst case with the animations, this alone begins to feel too much very quickly. Then you have this side "swoosh" in the settings, and the mimicking-real-physics motions in the multitasking interface - they're not really "wrong" as such, just too slow. I felt like the whole UI was working against me, that I had to push and prod it to get to where I wanted. Frustrating.

There's a good run through of most of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4ROpIognDiY#t=52

Also it has to do with the impact on the eyes that all this animation has - in conjunction with all the other clutter. The crammed together Command Center and the general appearance of these quite stark new icons for instance. Perhaps if the graphical qualities of the UI in general were just a tad less "much" AND the animations were faster, it'd be a lot better.

But, then there's also this kind of general lack of balance in the design. The calendar for instance, which I think is beautiful at first glance, but when you begin to put it to use, it also starts feeling a bit...much. Which in turn clashes with the design of the Reminders app. And then the step back in terms of "obvious" navigation, where clickable/moveable words have replaced symbols (like the swipe to unlock, on the lock screen).

It's all these things together. It just doesn't feel really consistent, not really confident - which is so unlike Apple. And there's just too much emphasis on style. One particular style as well, this kind of 80's inspired color set along with the stark, minimalist elements, which to me doesn't pack the same "general" appeal as the iOS 6 design language did (aside from the overly skeumorphic stuff).

My guess is this will all get much better within 6 months or so, with faster animations and revamped Reminders app etc. But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward. And the real stuff we want them to open their eyes to - like customization of the Command Center - will probably not happen at all. - And all this while Google keeps getting their stuff more and more right with every release. I just feel like with iOS 7, Apple kind of tripped on their own shoelaces a bit while trying to catch up to Android, when they could have taken a scary big leap forward.

Not to worry though, the fingerprint reader and a Champagne color will keep the hipster crowd busy while Apple tends to repairs and keeps thinking about how to begin really innovating again. :D

What could get really interesting of course is if they find more uses for this motion processor, and iBeacon - the "inner" workings of iOS 7 that we aren't seeing nearly the full application of yet. But on the UI side of things... Like I said, I'm happier than ever to be using an Android phone, and more willing than ever to forgive its shortcomings. Because iOS 7 has far more of those.

Really insightful. Thanks for sharing.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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Jun 4, 2008
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This is where having developer options on Android gives the user the ability to make their phone work they way THEY want it to. Want to speed up animations or shut them off, have at it. Feel 1.0X is good, leave it alone.

I updated my ipad to iOS7 and I'm sorry I did. It's like a pastel turd was laid on my iPad. It's flat, cartoonish, aimed at a 14yr old girl. It makes Touchwiz look mature.
 

chagla

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Mar 21, 2008
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So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?

i fully agree with post # 5.

I would say keep S4. AV remote function is quite handy. you can use it like a portable mini computer. Plug in to any computer and transfer any files (kind of like USB drive without any special software) and then manage them using a file explorer on your phone.

you can basically change everything on Android to make it really personal and your own.
 

Oohara

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This is where having developer options on Android gives the user the ability to make their phone work they way THEY want it to. Want to speed up animations or shut them off, have at it. Feel 1.0X is good, leave it alone.

Yes. Even if they didn't want to give us access to the file system or let us choose our own default apps, they could grant the user at least this. Don't like the animation speed? Here, adjust it yourself. So easy.

I updated my ipad to iOS7 and I'm sorry I did. It's like a pastel turd was laid on my iPad. It's flat, cartoonish, aimed at a 14yr old girl. It makes Touchwiz look mature.

LOL. While I agree that iOS 7 is the more childish looking of the two, this is hardly a valid argument against it...given that Touchwiz looks like it was designed by a 60-year old accountant (and a blind one at that) rather than a designer :D
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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It's also interesting to read how everyone now hates skeuomorphism. Where was this hate for it when it was all skeuomorphism for X number of years? In those years, I heard nothing but praise for iOS' polish, well designed, awesome looking stock apps, etc. etc.

Really interesting to watch yet another transformation.
 

onthecouchagain

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To each their own. I'm still not certain what I think of iOS7's design style but, IMO, it's still a ways off from being as bad as TouchWiz.

I actually like all the transparency of iOS 7. But some of those icons not only are ugly, some just don't really make sense. What's with the bubbles for Game Center, for example? And the Settings icon... that thing just looks bizarre! Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?

ios6_ios7_home_screens.jpg
 

Oohara

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To each their own. I'm still not certain what I think of iOS7's design style but, IMO, it's still a ways off from being as bad as TouchWiz.

Yeah, seriously. Let's not forget what we're actually talking about here:

nexusae0_touchwiz2.png


And the worst thing is - I don't know how up to date this picture is, but it doesn't even matter. Absolutely nothing of significance is happening with Touchwiz's appearance (apart from the stuff directly related to the new/updated Note functions).
 

Razeus

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Jul 11, 2008
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I actually like all the transparency of iOS 7. But some of those icons not only are ugly, some just don't really make sense. What's with the bubbles for Game Center, for example? And the Settings icon... that thing just looks bizarre! Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?

Image

The icon inconsistency is ridiculous. If I got to my S4 and look at Google's own icons, they are consistent. If I got to the Yahoo homepage, their icons are consistent. I'll even throw Microsoft into that mix. Apple has to work on those icons.
 

bilawal

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Mar 5, 2008
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OP, since you say you're bored with iOS, I'd also agree with keeping the S4 (mostly because you can really customize and have fun with Android). iOS really is WYSIWYG :p

Anyone else who is in this dilemma between the 5S and S4 should definitely consider the HTC One as a worthy contender. Apple-esque design as well. This video summarizes all 3 phones pretty well and highlights key differences/similaries: http://youtu.be/YaeaKO5NfrE. Thought i'd share it with you guys.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?
I've never understood why the Safari app is a compass? Is it because you use it to look for something and that is the semantic Apple have chosen? Strange, I would pick something web related. Very happy overall with the look and feel of iOS 7 though.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I've never understood why the Safari app is a compass? Is it because you use it to look for something and that is the semantic Apple have chosen? Strange, I would pick something web related. Very happy overall with the look and feel of iOS 7 though.

I don't mind the compass, but just don't get the white borders.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Yeah, seriously. Let's not forget what we're actually talking about here:

Image

And the worst thing is - I don't know how up to date this picture is, but it doesn't even matter. Absolutely nothing of significance is happening with Touchwiz's appearance (apart from the stuff directly related to the new/updated Note functions).

The difference being that nearly everything in that screen cap can be changed.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I agree that everything there can be changed, however, how many users outside of these forums actively want to mess with their phones?

I don't know but isnt that irrelevant? My point is that the difference between people finding iOS icons ugly versus people finding touch wiz icons ugly is that only one of them can actually do something about it. Whether people choose to or not is neither here nor there.
 

JH-

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Feb 25, 2009
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I don't know but isnt that irrelevant? My point is that the difference between people finding iOS icons ugly versus people finding touch wiz icons ugly is that only one of them can actually do something about it. Whether people choose to or not is neither here nor there.

I agree. All I'm saying is people could possibly be turned off by how ugly touchwiz appears and never discover they can change it. Some users aren't as tech savvy and this could limit Samsung's market.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I agree. All I'm saying is people could possibly be turned off by how ugly touchwiz appears and never discover they can change it. Some users aren't as tech savvy and this could limit Samsung's market.

Ah, I understand. True that.
 

Jacoblee23

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I ended up returning the S4 and buying a space gray iPhone 5s. I have so much invested in the apple system between my iPad mini and and iPhone, that it makes the most sense. Loving my 5s! Thank you for your suggestions.
 
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spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward.

Apple already wasted a year polishing this turd instead of truly re-imagining iOS. It pisses me off all that time, effort and talent wasted on what is basically just a skin and the control panel.
 
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