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DodgeV83

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Feb 8, 2012
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Read my post again. I think you failed to read a lot of it, as I provided reasons why my phone is better in audio and navigation.

While none of my main claims have been refuted, you did refute some of my sub-points:

Nothing you described in the "Play Iris" example is seamless. I can play songs back to back, naming each song to play next, and it doesn't matter where the songs are stored. I don't even need to take the phone out of my pocket. This is not possible on Android unless all of the songs are local to the device. It also syncs my playlists, so I can put on my headphones, start a run and say "Play my running playlist". Even if the playlist isn't mine, and none of the songs are currently on my device, it starts playing. I have more than 250gigs of music available to me in the cloud, and it's all seamless.

Wireless speakers are generally low quality, low range, and the iPhone can do this as well. AirPlay works with any speakers. I can seamlessly push to my full sound system with speakers in every room, from anywhere in the house.

You think your phone sounds great, but you also admit to not know much about sound quality, or the inherent Android audio limitations which prevent the platform from doing what the iPhone can do.

There is only one thing you listed that the iPhone cannot do, send music files from the native app. You can send music files using other apps, but not the native app. Considering the audio limitations of the platform, and everything else we've discussed, I fail to see how the advantage of easier piracy, puts Android above iOS in the audio category.

TomTom can also navigate to Contacts, and Facebook friends who shared their location...etc, but that's not the point. The point is the iPhone TomTom app is the best at routing, and avoiding traffic. Initiating navigation with your voice does not improve your routing or traffic avoidance capabilities.
 
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matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
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Lincoln, England
While none of my main claims have been refuted, you did refute some of my sub-points:

Nothing you described in the "Play Iris" example is seamless. I can play songs back to back, naming each song to play next, and it doesn't matter where the songs are stored. I don't even need to take the phone out of my pocket. This is not possible on Android unless all of the songs are local to the device. It also syncs my playlists, so I can put on my headphones, start a run and say "Play my running playlist". Even if the playlist isn't mine, and none of the songs are currently on my device, it starts playing. I have more than 250gigs of music available to me in the cloud, and it's all seamless.

*shrugs* I have about 20GB of music, a lot of which I don't listen to anymore. I don't need those features. Sounds pretty cool for the people it would benefit though.

Wireless speakers are generally low quality, low range, and the iPhone can do this as well. AirPlay works with any speakers. I can seamlessly push to my full sound system with speakers in every room, from anywhere in the house.

AirPlay works with AirPlay-enabled speakers, which are like three times the price of Bluetooth speakers. No thanks :D Bluetooth speakers don't sound low quality to me, and I don't see the point in investing for speakers in every room when you could just turn the volume up and hear it in every room from one speaker!

If you lived in a mansion, sure...

You think your phone sounds great, but you also admit to not know much about sound quality, or the inherent Android audio limitations which prevent the platform from doing what the iPhone can do.

Last time I checked I didn't need any technical know how to have an opinion about how music sounds to my ears..

There is only one thing you listed that the iPhone cannot do, send music files from the native app. You can send music files using other apps, but not the native app. Considering the audio limitations of the platform, and everything else we've discussed, I fail to see how the advantage of easier piracy, puts Android above iOS in the audio category.

So syncing your girlfriends playlists is fine, but sending files over Bluetooth/NFC/wifi direct is piracy? That's some pretty questionable logic right there.

TomTom can also navigate to Contacts, and Facebook friends who shared their location...etc, but that's not the point. The point is the iPhone TomTom app is the best at routing, and avoiding traffic. Initiating navigation with your voice does not improve your routing or traffic avoidance capabilities.

Perhaps you didn't read what I said, but I've had poor experiences with my fully updated tomtom with iq routes, so constantly telling me tomtom is the best isn't going to fly. Tomtom sucks on occasion just like every other navigation software. There's a reason there's usually a disclaimer saying its not responsible for accidents and you still need to use sense on the road; because there's every chance it might send you into a river or onto a train track. :D

I admit that I have very limited experience with using google navigation due to the fact it requires data. From the limited time I've spent using it, I've had a more positive experience than with my tomtom (which I've used a lot more). My tomtom has sent me on stupid routes and through heavy traffic on a number of occasions. The iq routes software isn't perfect. It's a bit gimmicky if you ask me. It's marketing jargon to try to one up the competition.

Google navigation has a traffic overlay so that you can see roads with heavy traffic (they're colour coded) and choose to avoid them if you wish.

Simply saying tomtom is the best doesn't make it so. People have different experiences. Maybe tomtom has spent a lot more time in your part of the world than mine. :)
 

JAT

macrumors 603
Dec 31, 2001
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Mpls, MN
Last time I checked I didn't need any technical know how to have an opinion about how music sounds to my ears..
Not sure what this has to do with Dodge's original point. Anyone can think something is "good enough".
Perhaps you didn't read what I said, but I've had poor experiences with my fully updated tomtom with iq routes, so constantly telling me tomtom is the best isn't going to fly. Tomtom sucks on occasion just like every other navigation software. There's a reason there's usually a disclaimer saying its not responsible for accidents and you still need to use sense on the road; because there's every chance it might send you into a river or onto a train track. :D

I admit that I have very limited experience with using google navigation due to the fact it requires data. From the limited time I've spent using it, I've had a more positive experience than with my tomtom (which I've used a lot more). My tomtom has sent me on stupid routes and through heavy traffic on a number of occasions. The iq routes software isn't perfect. It's a bit gimmicky if you ask me. It's marketing jargon to try to one up the competition.

Google navigation has a traffic overlay so that you can see roads with heavy traffic (they're colour coded) and choose to avoid them if you wish.

Simply saying tomtom is the best doesn't make it so. People have different experiences. Maybe tomtom has spent a lot more time in your part of the world than mine. :)
I think the point you are missing is that the others are worse. The term "best" is a measure of degree, it does not measure how happy YOU are with a product. That is a fallacy. I drive for a living (part of a living), and using a gps is almost a requirement at this point in history. I've been testing several different solutions as my standalone is dying or something. Having problems with your TT doesn't mean that a Garmin would solve them. Esp since it would give you more of them. And I would know.
 

b24pgg

macrumors 65816
Jan 28, 2009
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CA
Nothing you described in the "Play Iris" example is seamless. I can play songs back to back, naming each song to play next, and it doesn't matter where the songs are stored. I don't even need to take the phone out of my pocket. This is not possible on Android unless all of the songs are local to the device.
False. The default Google Music app definitely has this functionality. I have zero music stored on my device - it's all in the cloud. And yet:

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DodgeV83

macrumors 6502a
Feb 8, 2012
879
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False. The default Google Music app definitely has this functionality. I have zero music stored on my device - it's all in the cloud. And yet:

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Hey, that looks cool! One of the things Siri is missing, the ability to interact with third party apps.

Can you do that without taking the phone out of your pocket or interacting with the screen (while running perhaps)?
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
Not sure what this has to do with Dodge's original point. Anyone can think something is "good enough".

I think the point you are missing is that the others are worse. The term "best" is a measure of degree, it does not measure how happy YOU are with a product. That is a fallacy. I drive for a living (part of a living), and using a gps is almost a requirement at this point in history. I've been testing several different solutions as my standalone is dying or something. Having problems with your TT doesn't mean that a Garmin would solve them. Esp since it would give you more of them. And I would know.

Best is subjective ESPECIALLY with something like navigation software. Obviously one piece of software could be better in a particular area of the world, or better for certain journeys.

If everybody thought tomtom was the best then Google, Garmin etc wouldn't be in the business! Think about it.
 
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