Sigh, Android is still kind of goofy...

[gotluck]

This is true. I run a quite successful internet business and I would never dream of using my phone as a means of conducting serious business with files a client needed. A serious business person is going to be on a desktop or at least have a laptop, only a kid would be using a phone for business matters.

So someone can't do things different than you and be effective eh?
You're comment is ridiculous. What about the few serious businessmen like Buffet that Dont even use a computer... People still use godforsaken fax machines..

I guess I'm a kid

when dealing with less tech savvy clients, direct email attachments are better. I'd like to be able to do it both ways please. So am I a kid or a living in the stone age old man? Of course I still have a PC, but why can't I do it from my phone too?

 

[kenknotts]

So someone can't do things different than you and be effective eh?
You're comment is ridiculous. What about the few serious businessmen like Buffet that Dont even use a computer... People still use godforsaken fax machines..

I guess I'm a kid

when dealing with less tech savvy clients, direct email attachments are better. I'd like to be able to do it both ways please. So am I a kid or a living in the stone age old man? Of course I still have a PC, but why can't I do it from my phone too?

That's cool, whatever works for you. I'm just saying that a serious business person needing to do serious business online is going to grab their laptop, not their phone.

 

[gotluck]

That's cool, whatever works for you. I'm just saying that a serious business person needing to do serious business online is going to grab their laptop, not their phone.

And my point is that I am not always within reach of my PC. I can do it on my phone in those cases. Unchains me from the desk. What kind of business isn't serious? I must not be serious enough.

A phone these days is just a smaller computer BTW

 

[tbayrgs]

That's cool, whatever works for you. I'm just saying that a serious business person needing to do serious business online is going to grab their laptop, not their phone.

This is one of the most ignorant comments I've seen come out of a posters mouth in a while. Just because you are not capable of conducting serious business with a phone doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Who's more efficient, the business capable of completing a transaction using only a phone/tablet or the business that needs their laptop?

 

[fredaroony]

I guess it depends on where you keep the file, but for me Dropbox and Drive are my file vaults. I reply with new attachments hundreds of times per week (doc revisions mainly) and I just link to the source each time. Since I make edits from my iPad and laptop alike, this also helps keep things synchronized.

Frankly, using a physical file attachment is pretty Luddite behavior these days. Email isn't meant to to be a document management solution. Your issue is just throwback behavior to a PC-centric world.

Not luddite at all, many businesses block file sharing programs such as dropbox or Drive.

Email attachments are extremely commonplace in the corporate world.

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This is one of the most ignorant comments I've seen come out of a posters mouth in a while. Just because you are not capable of conducting serious business with a phone doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Who's more efficient, the business capable of completing a transaction using only a phone/tablet or the business that needs their laptop?

His comment was based on the fact that he lost the argument... Waiting to pull out a laptop is what the business world did before Blackberrys and other smartphones came in.

Personally, if I'm on the road I use my phone or iPad but if the email is serious enough I will occasionally wait until I have access to a computer.

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Ok, install an app called "fileapp pro". Now in your e-mail, download the attachment and press the "open in" button and select "open in fileapp pro". Once the attachment has been opened, select "send by email" and then enter the email address you're sending it to. And your done. I tested this with a pdf document, not sure what attachments your sending.

Edit: you could also just forward the original email with the attachment to the new recipient.

With this you can reply to an existing email and add an attachment? The way you are describing it cannot be done.

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I don't think I've used a T9 dialer since the pre-smartphone days, I didn't think people still used those. Having a visual phonebook that you slide up and down with your finger is much easier than T9 IMO.

Easiest yet was Siri, which is unmatched on Android. Even just voice dialing is a pleasure versus the atrocity that is Google Now/search in terms of being a personal assistant.

Not easy if you have a lot of contacts but it would be nice to choice right?

I've always turned off Siri but have to say the voice dialing on the iPhone was quite good.

 

[spinedoc77]

Not luddite at all, many businesses block file sharing programs such as dropbox or Drive.

Email attachments are extremely commonplace in the corporate world.

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His comment was based on the fact that he lost the argument... Waiting to pull out a laptop is what the business world did before Blackberrys and other smartphones came in.

Personally, if I'm on the road I use my phone or iPad but if the email is serious enough I will occasionally wait until I have access to a computer.

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With this you can reply to an existing email and add an attachment? The way you are describing it cannot be done.

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Not easy if you have a lot of contacts but it would be nice to choice right?

I've always turned off Siri but have to say the voice dialing on the iPhone was quite good.

Absolutely, you should have the choice at least. iOS input is kind of archaic, its keyboard especially. but in trade they have Siri where often you don't need to manually input information.

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Waiting to pull out a laptop is what the business world did before Blackberrys and other smartphones came in.

Blackberries first, and then smartphones in general certainly changed how mobile business was run. Replying to an email may be how a "serious" businessman runs his business. Heck you can see these things even back in the days of Palm and before.

 

[fredaroony]

Absolutely, you should have the choice at least. iOS input is kind of archaic, its keyboard especially. but in trade they have Siri where often you don't need to manually input information.

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Blackberries first, and then smartphones in general certainly changed how mobile business was run. Replying to an email may be how a "serious" businessman runs his business. Heck you can see these things even back in the days of Palm and before.

I tried Siri a couple times and it wasn't for me, perhaps because I don't live in the US. In Australia it wasn't much use but I might try it again on my iPad to see if it's improved.

 

[Fernandez21]

With this you can reply to an existing email and add an attachment? The way you are describing it cannot be done.

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Ok, then in the original email with the attachment, highlight the attachment and select "copy" from the context menu. Then go to the email you want to reply to and hit "reply", then in the body of the message long press and hit "paste" from the context menu. Send and your done. Again, I just did this with a pdf, not sure what your attachments are.

Note: you must highlight the button of the original attachment by selecting text around the button then narrowing the highlight to just the button, if you long press the button it will bring up the "open in" menú which you do not want.

Note 2: you also have to make sure you have downloaded the attachment first before copying it. I just did it with a genesis rom, so I'm sure you can do this with any file.

 

[Assault]

Ok, then in the original email with the attachment, highlight the attachment and select "copy" from the context menu. Then go to the email you want to reply to and hit "reply", then in the body of the message long press and hit "paste" from the context menu. Send and your done. Again, I just did this with a pdf, not sure what your attachments are.

Note: you must highlight the button of the original attachment by selecting text around the button then narrowing the highlight to just the button, if you long press the button it will bring up the "open in" menú which you do not want.

Note 2: you also have to make sure you have downloaded the attachment first before copying it. I just did it with a genesis rom, so I'm sure you can do this with any file.

Google docs with drive has made email collaboration a thing of the past I thought? You do realize that regardless of the persons OS (whether it be desktop or mobile based), documents can be edited by 2 people, an entire business of people or the public WITHOUT the need for encrypting the data with passwords (although this is still an option) and the edited data is marked with the metadata. Google docs can also be worked on offline by all individuals. So, the question is, why bother attaching documents to emails, when a link can be attached to a text, email, or any other form of data file?

Although, when it comes to emails, iOS is simply outclassed by Android. Without access to a file system, attaching files, images, videos and music is a serious PIA! And should your app get deleted, or you lose access to it, good by data. This is such an ignorant way to store data Apple!

 

[Dr McKay]

If there comes a point where you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there Spinedoc.

 

[spinedoc77]

If there comes a point where you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there Spinedoc.

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Blast from the past, hehe.

 

[kenknotts]

This is one of the most ignorant comments I've seen come out of a posters mouth in a while. Just because you are not capable of conducting serious business with a phone doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Who's more efficient, the business capable of completing a transaction using only a phone/tablet or the business that needs their laptop?

Go to any business meetings with real professionals working with documents and I can assure you they will all have laptops or at the very least tablets, not a PHONE. You think Apple and Google execs are sitting there crunching numbers while viewing and editing important documents on PHONES? My original point was you CAN attach files in emails all day long on iOS using any one of multiple apps. Whoever said you cant has no clue what they are talking about.

 

[matttye]

Go to any business meetings with real professionals working with documents and I can assure you they will all have laptops or at the very least tablets, not a PHONE. You think Apple and Google execs are sitting there crunching numbers while viewing and editing important documents on PHONES? My original point was you CAN attach files in emails all day long on iOS using any one of multiple apps. Whoever said you cant has no clue what they are talking about.

The point is that you can work on your phone when you couldn't use a laptop.. like stood up on the tube (subway) or something.

I don't think anybody is saying that, given the option, they would use their phone over a laptop or desktop; just that they can use a phone when those options aren't available.

 

[gotluck]

Exactly it is more so about responding quickly rather than waiting for access to a PC. Sounds like you dont have to move around much during your workday and that is fine.

Apple and Google execs are certainly working from their phones when out and about... Isn't that the whole point of a smartphone?

Just keep claiming everyone that disagrees with you isn't a true professional.

The larger screens on android make it easier to use for productivity you know (like where you support tablet use). You have a mental block a phone is a computer mate.

Fwiw I do not do final document revisions for client use from any touch based device. Anything else is fair game on the phone.

 

[tbayrgs]

Go to any business meetings with real professionals working with documents and I can assure you they will all have laptops or at the very least tablets, not a PHONE. You think Apple and Google execs are sitting there crunching numbers while viewing and editing important documents on PHONES? My original point was you CAN attach files in emails all day long on iOS using any one of multiple apps. Whoever said you cant has no clue what they are talking about.

Yup, real professionals only work in meeting room. You must really enjoy the taste of your foot.

 

[fredaroony]

Yup, real professionals only work in meeting room. You must really enjoy the taste of your foot.

Yeah and "real professionals" only use gmail...this guy just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper

 

[jrswizzle]

Gotta love these pissing contests.

The only thing I really want Apple to implement is multiple attachments to emails (PDFs, .Docs, etc - you can already do pics and vids). That's it. Things like Dropbox and GoogleDocs and now iWork in iCloud are only useful if everyone buys in. Sure some are easier to work than others because they work cross platform, but aside from the businesses that have adopted BYOD policies, many of us use company assigned devices which are all one platform anyways.

And its not that easy to tell someone (or worse yet a business) to change the way they are doing something because you think its better. I even created and set up dropbox for my wife and she still refuses to use it. For her, PhotoStream's integration into the photo app and in iOS is much easier so she uses it instead.

As for the company I work for - we're archaic in many ways....while I use DB to move marketing collateral to and from my MacBook, its not technically an accepted way to share files (as in there is no company shared dropbox). And we still use email, word and tracked changes.....no GoogleDocs.

 

[fredaroony]

And its not that easy to tell someone (or worse yet a business) to change the way they are doing something because you think its better. I even created and set up dropbox for my wife and she still refuses to use it. For her, PhotoStream's integration into the photo app and in iOS is much easier so she uses it instead.

As for the company I work for - we're archaic in many ways....while I use DB to move marketing collateral to and from my MacBook, its not technically an accepted way to share files (as in there is no company shared dropbox). And we still use email, word and tracked changes.....no GoogleDocs.

You also have to consider the email destination as so many of my clients have IT policies that block any file sharing programs. This is probably more due to the industry I work in but still you cannot expect others to accept your way of working as you said.

 

[jrswizzle]

You also have to consider the email destination as so many of my clients have IT policies that block any file sharing programs. This is probably more due to the industry I work in but still you cannot expect others to accept your way of working as you said.

Yup - similar in my industry. Too much sensitive data floats around our office. There's a lot of security that goes into our emails. And whether he's right or not, our CIO told me he prefers for everyone to be on an iPhone because of security. Something about an app or software that's available on iOS.

The other comment I wanted to make in general (not pertaining to the quoted post) has to do with this idea that "real work" can't be done on an iPad or iPhone because of "iOS limitations" or email limitations....or whatever.

That's the most arrogant and idiotic assertion I see here. To say that someone's work isn't "real" or somehow implying that work not done in an office or via email or whatnot isn't "real work" is idiotic. I went to this little hole in the wall bar in Tampa. Food was excellent and you know what they ran their POS system on? iPads.....cash drawer connected to an iPad, orders placed on an iPad etc. You wanna tell the owner of that bar that he's not doing a "real job"? Because it sure seems like he's able to run his business on an iPad.....

I've always hated that "real work" nonsense....super arrogant. Just had to /rant about it for a bit since I saw it come up a few times here.

What it comes down to is people have certain ways they are accustomed to doing things. They don't like change or feel their way is better so when a device can't do a task that certain way, people make claims of it being inferior or even better that it can't even do that task.....

Reality is, smartphones and tablets today can all pretty much accomplish the same tasks. The iPhone can do pretty much everything an Android phone can - even stuff like torrent. Sure, it may not be painfully evident or easy, but usually its obscure stuff like that that's tough on an iPhone. Consumers decide which is best for them and use the chosen device. There isn't any problem with it - as I've used both side by side I've come to realize that, aside for the quirks of each, I use them pretty much the same way. Because I dictate my own use case. I have my uses for a smartphone and those uses don't change based on the device I own. The paths might, the implementations do - but the end tasks/results are the same.

In conclusion, Android is goofy in some ways. Most definitely. iOS too could use some new features and additions. Ultimately, they both are amazingly powerful considering where we were just a decade ago. It's fascinating and exciting to see how quickly technology has advanced and where it could go in the not too distant future.

 

[spinedoc77]

Yup - similar in my industry. Too much sensitive data floats around our office. There's a lot of security that goes into our emails. And whether he's right or not, our CIO told me he prefers for everyone to be on an iPhone because of security. Something about an app or software that's available on iOS.

The other comment I wanted to make in general (not pertaining to the quoted post) has to do with this idea that "real work" can't be done on an iPad or iPhone because of "iOS limitations" or email limitations....or whatever.

That's the most arrogant and idiotic assertion I see here. To say that someone's work isn't "real" or somehow implying that work not done in an office or via email or whatnot isn't "real work" is idiotic. I went to this little hole in the wall bar in Tampa. Food was excellent and you know what they ran their POS system on? iPads.....cash drawer connected to an iPad, orders placed on an iPad etc. You wanna tell the owner of that bar that he's not doing a "real job"? Because it sure seems like he's able to run his business on an iPad.....

I've always hated that "real work" nonsense....super arrogant. Just had to /rant about it for a bit since I saw it come up a few times here.

What it comes down to is people have certain ways they are accustomed to doing things. They don't like change or feel their way is better so when a device can't do a task that certain way, people make claims of it being inferior or even better that it can't even do that task.....

Reality is, smartphones and tablets today can all pretty much accomplish the same tasks. The iPhone can do pretty much everything an Android phone can - even stuff like torrent. Sure, it may not be painfully evident or easy, but usually its obscure stuff like that that's tough on an iPhone. Consumers decide which is best for them and use the chosen device. There isn't any problem with it - as I've used both side by side I've come to realize that, aside for the quirks of each, I use them pretty much the same way. Because I dictate my own use case. I have my uses for a smartphone and those uses don't change based on the device I own. The paths might, the implementations do - but the end tasks/results are the same.

In conclusion, Android is goofy in some ways. Most definitely. iOS too could use some new features and additions. Ultimately, they both are amazingly powerful considering where we were just a decade ago. It's fascinating and exciting to see how quickly technology has advanced and where it could go in the not too distant future.

I think what a lot mean is that less people can get "real" work done. Personally I think this is the case in certain scenarios compared to windows tablets, but once again this is just everyones unique uses. If every single desktop and laptop switched to iOS tomorrow, would we still see "real" work being done? I don't mean when apps caught up, I mean specifically tomorrow. Yeah it's off topic a bit, but I just I'd add a 3rd facet to the conversation, especially since you bring up the iOS can do "real" work argument.

What it boils down to is iOS, and Android can both enable people to get "real" work done, but only in certain situations, and to a much smaller degree than a windows or osx computer could. Maybe smaller degree isn't the correct concept, it's more of a smaller number of users will be able to get their work done. We can sit here and categorize all the "real" work in the entire world and see what percentage of that could be accomplished on iOS and/or Android.

 

[rockitdog]

Dude, you need help from a qualified therapist.

Ain't that the truth!!!

 

[jrswizzle]

I think what a lot mean is that less people can get "real" work done. Personally I think this is the case in certain scenarios compared to windows tablets, but once again this is just everyones unique uses. If every single desktop and laptop switched to iOS tomorrow, would we still see "real" work being done? I don't mean when apps caught up, I mean specifically tomorrow. Yeah it's off topic a bit, but I just I'd add a 3rd facet to the conversation, especially since you bring up the iOS can do "real" work argument.

What it boils down to is iOS, and Android can both enable people to get "real" work done, but only in certain situations, and to a much smaller degree than a windows or osx computer could. Maybe smaller degree isn't the correct concept, it's more of a smaller number of users will be able to get their work done. We can sit here and categorize all the "real" work in the entire world and see what percentage of that could be accomplished on iOS and/or Android.

I think it would take adjustments, but yes - "real work" could be done if iOS was all that existed. Whatever "real work" means.....

It would simply take people changing the ways they accomplish tasks. Those tasks can still be done, but through different means. That was the central thesis of my post. That 99.9999999% of this nonsensical bickering centers around our own biases and preferences of how to do the things we do daily.

Of course there are some who feel they should argue on principal - you know, for giving consumers options because its the right thing to do and somehow a company should be about giving users stuff for free versus making money.....but that's an entirely different conversations

 

[spinedoc77]

I think it would take adjustments, but yes - "real work" could be done if iOS was all that existed. Whatever "real work" means.....

It would simply take people changing the ways they accomplish tasks. Those tasks can still be done, but through different means. That was the central thesis of my post. That 99.9999999% of this nonsensical bickering centers around our own biases and preferences of how to do the things we do daily.

Of course there are some who feel they should argue on principal - you know, for giving consumers options because its the right thing to do and somehow a company should be about giving users stuff for free versus making money.....but that's an entirely different conversations

I don't think so, not without some major adjustment. There are many businesses which rely on PC's and Macs and legacy programs. Will we get there one day? Yeah probably. But today, this very day, I don't think the majority of "real" work in this world can get done on an ipad.

You are right, 99.999% of this ENTIRE forum revolves around each person arguing his own unique needs and requirements as if everyone else should adhere to them, myself included. It's just human nature, that desire to defend your choices.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't think so, not without some major adjustment. There are many businesses which rely on PC's and Macs and legacy programs. Will we get there one day? Yeah probably. But today, this very day, I don't think the majority of "real" work in this world can get done on an ipad.

You are right, 99.999% of this ENTIRE forum revolves around each person arguing his own unique needs and requirements as if everyone else should adhere to them, myself included. It's just human nature, that desire to defend your choices.

Ok, I agree. There are obviously plenty of instances too where more power is TRULY needed.

But my annoyance with the term "real work" still stands. There isn't any difference between work done on an iPad and work done on a laptop, desktop or even on a server. Work is work. For each person, regardless of what device they use, that work makes them a living. To say "real work" can't be done on an iPad is like saying those who make their living by working on an iPad are somehow inferior to those who use laptops or PCs.....

I think we're saying the same things so I'll leave it there. For what its worth, I can't wait until traditional Windows in the corporate setting goes the way of the dinosaur.....I hate lugging this damn Dell laptop around when I could do everything I do (and more) on my MacBook Air and even my iPad mini......which together aren't as thick or weigh as much as this stupid laptop.

Then again, that's more an indictment of my company not updating our computers - I wouldn't have as much to complain about, despite my relative hatred for Windows, if I was working on a Samsung ultrabook.

 

[gotluck]

I was just bothered by being called a kid that doesn't do professional work because I can accomplish certain tasks on my mobile device that some others apparently find unacceptable. Wink wink kenknotts

And yes all this real work crap is all garbage. Sure certain tasks require x86, no one is debating that.

Thorough and complete attachment support in email should not be one of those things though. iOS needs to work on that re corporate exchange accounts in particular.

Fwiw, as an admin - of course I would prefer my users to be on iOS and we are largely iOS (one windows phone and one android, myself) I want my users on lockdown, but I can't stand being on lockdown myself