Sleeping with Watch

[Rogifan]

Almost certainly and if using about the same charge rate you could probably have a 90% charge in about an hour. Again Apple (and all companies) decide how fast it wants to change the Lith-Ion. The faster you change a Lith-Ion the fewer lifetime cycles it will have (also produces more heat). So it's a compromise to offer fast charging.

Using a 12W charger I can charge my 5s in just under 2 hours. If they could get Watch to charge within an hour I think people would be less bothered by having to charge it daily. But they need to get their story figured out on battery life. Because Cook said he expects it will need to be charged daily the assumption is it would be charging while you're sleeping. Of course that leads to People on Twitter making fun of Ive's alarm clock comment wondering how that would be useful if the watch is sitting on a charger. That's a fair point, unless the watch charges quickly enough that you can charge it before you go to bed so you can wear it while sleeping, and then charge it again in the morning.

 

[Tom8]

I remember back when the watch was still a rumour and the WSJ (I think) said Apple wanted 3-5 days of battery but were only getting 1. That suggests they think with the available technology 3-5 days is realistic, would be great if they could use these few months to take us closer to that sort of battery life. I guess it'll be 1-1.5 depending on how notification heavy you are. 1.5 days is a total no-mans land as you'd still have to charge it everyday.

As others have mentioned, if it charges quickly ~20 minutes (very wishful thinking) then I don't see charging as a huge issue. I'd wear it at night and charge it while I get a shower and get dressed. Hopefully Ive was hinting towards better than anticipated battery life, I doubt it though.

 

[Knowimagination]

This is going to be a huge thing for me, I really want to start wearing something for sleep tracking and I wan't it to be the watch, but if I am going to have to have it off for a couple hours a day to charge that is going to be tough. If I can wear it all night and then charge it in the morning while I get ready for work that would be an ideal situation. If not I may have to look for a secondary/alternative wearable.

 

[Sharkey311]

I'd say if it charges within a half hour, you can do so while preparing for bed, sleep with it during the night and use it all day the next day. I'd imagine it wouldn't drain the battery too much if it was just tracking sleep habits since most of that data can be pushed to the iPhone. But if you need to charge it in the morning, do it while you shower and get ready.

 

[Piggie]

I'd say if it charges within a half hour, you can do so while preparing for bed, sleep with it during the night and use it all day the next day. I'd imagine it wouldn't drain the battery too much if it was just tracking sleep habits since most of that data can be pushed to the iPhone. But if you need to charge it in the morning, do it while you shower and get ready.

I think we'd be very lucky to see 24 hours usage time from 30 mins charging time

 

[handsome pete]

I think Apple is still working on battery life. There's a reason the watch was announced 6 months before it ships and I don't think it was just about leaks.

Maybe, but I still think the battery life will be a major limitation. It's not like extreme advances in batteries are coming over the next couple of months.

The early announcement for this doesn't seem strange to me at all. Aside from past history where new products are always announced in advance, I'm sure Apple wanted to push out the development kit well in advance so that the watch has more "features" at launch. And you can't exactly keep a product a secret when there are countless developers working on it.

 

[matrix07]

Maybe, but I still think the battery life will be a major limitation. It's not like extreme advances in batteries are coming over the next couple of months.

Yeah, I don't hold my hope up for battery improvement between now and release day (or even 2nd gen.). I'm not sure it'll be comfortable sleeping with the watch and I intend to place my phone on the dock, so it's like no sleep tracker for me anyway, unless someone designs a nice tracking device which is very small and very light.

 

[Rogifan]

Maybe, but I still think the battery life will be a major limitation. It's not like extreme advances in batteries are coming over the next couple of months.

The early announcement for this doesn't seem strange to me at all. Aside from past history where new products are always announced in advance, I'm sure Apple wanted to push out the development kit well in advance so that the watch has more "features" at launch. And you can't exactly keep a product a secret when there are countless developers working on it.

Hmm...I thought I read that there was a software update to the Almost 360 that improved the battery life. That's what made me think Apple is still tweaking stuff to eek out as much battery life as possible.

 

[Julien]

Hmm...I thought I read that there was a software update to the Almost 360 that improved the battery life. That's what made me think Apple is still tweaking stuff to eek out as much battery life as possible.

There was but it was correcting a 'bug' that was draining the battery in just a few hours use. Now you can get about a full day of use, but still basically need to charge daily.

 

[Rogifan]

There was but it was correcting a 'bug' that was draining the battery in just a few hours use. Now you can get about a full day of use, but still basically need to charge daily.

So again it goes back to how long it takes to charge. According to Almost 360 reviews I've read it takes just under 2 hours to go from a full drain to complete charge. It uses QI wireless. How does that compare to Watch's inductive charging?

 

[Julien]

So again it goes back to how long it takes to charge. According to Almost 360 reviews I've read it takes just under 2 hours to go from a full drain to complete charge. It uses QI wireless. How does that compare to Watch's inductive charging?

It's just the Wireless Power Consortium's proprietary version of inductive charging.

 

[rekhyt]

Future models will charge from the human pulse. And maybe snoring? But not flatulence.

You just made my day.

I was thinking possibly sunlight, but no.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

So that'll inspire Ive to incorporate wireless charging while wearing the Watch to sleep. Maybe we'll see that in Rev B.

 

[Piggie]

There was but it was correcting a 'bug' that was draining the battery in just a few hours use. Now you can get about a full day of use, but still basically need to charge daily.

I was reading yesterday about some RL users now finding they are getting some pretty good battery life out of their new Moto 360's now, I'll see if I can find later what they said again.

 

[Piggie]

User reviews from recent purchases from Amazon sound far better that early stories, some I guess are still used today which seem like they don't reflect how things stand today by these new customers findings:

Pretty much flawless
By Ravioli Face on 9 Oct 2014
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After reading critics' reviewa of the Moto 360, I'm left a little confused.

The main negative point found online is its battery life, which reportedly lasts only 16 hours with moderate use. I have found that, after removing my 360 from its dock at 8:30am, using it to check the time and my notifications twice an hour, and returning it to the sick at 11pm, I still have no less than 60% remaining, sometimes as much as 80%.

My 360 quite comfortably manages 2 days on the trot - much longer than my phone.


Better than expected.
By Will on 3 Nov 2014
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I'm going to keep it brief.

It's smaller, lighter and less chunky than the photos suggest. I have small wrists and am very happy with the size.

Battery easily lasts a day. I've had it on all day. It's now 22:00 and I still have 30% left.

Nominations are well designed. Any app that notifies on your phone can notify on your watch. Is easy to stop apps from notifying your watch should you wish.

It's a high quality item. Well designed. Works seamlessly.


Stunning to look at, a joy to use, so so close to perfection...., 13 Oct 2014
By C. Jose "CJv2" (London, England) - See all my reviews
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Off the charger at 7.15 am, back on the charger that night at 8.00pm I still had 56% battery left. If you had any concerns about this getting you through the day, don't. It really will and then some. This consist of normal usage. About 50 email notifications a day, half a dozen phone calls, a dozen or so texts and plenty of checking the watch to check the time. Day two, same time frame, 60% left. It's consistent at least.

Seems from those user reviews that it's no where near as bad as the 1st early reports were saying.

And I'm sure we all understand the difference between just using it as a watch and playing with your new Toy.

The Apple watch may last a day and a half or 2 days, but then perhaps only 6 hours if you were constantly using it to play/fiddle with apps.

Which is why I did ponder if Apple may wish some control over what devs do, as you don't really want someone writing a app that uses 100% the power of the device for a long time, and then makes the watch itself look bad.

Games would be a killer, but I think we are struggling to wonder who would want to play games for long on their watch.

 

[matrix07]

You just made my day.

I was thinking possibly sunlight, but no.

Snoring trumps sunlight anyday.

 

[jowie]

Not sure I like the idea of sleeping with a very expensive watch on... I might damage it.

Also, that thing is chunky. Can't imagine it would be very comfortable if I rolled onto it with my face.

 

[flyinmac]

Jony Ive made an interesting comment at the SFMOMA ceremony he was honored at.

http://recode.net/2014/11/01/san-francisco-treasure-jony-ive-talks-apple-watch-at-sfmoma-gala/



This comment made me curious. If someone is using the watch as an alarm clock I would assume that means they were wearing it while sleeping. But the assumption has always been the watch would be charging the watch while you were sleeping. So now I'm more confused than ever on battery life, when you charge this thing and how long it takes to charge.

Not really seeing a problem here... Just sleep with your toe jammed into the electrical outlet near your bed... The resistance created by your body, should just about reduce the current flowing into your watch to a level that will charge the battery in about half a second... once you're in coma mode, your watch should stay charged by the pulse of electricity flowing through your body.

Just make sure you keep a sign next to you that warns people not to nudge you in the morning. And, hopefully you'll come out of your deep sleep mode when the watch pulses.

This charging mode is not recommended for those who sweat in their sleep... Water and electricity are rarely good bedmates.

 

[rekhyt]

Not really seeing a problem here... Just sleep with your toe jammed into the electrical outlet near your bed... The resistance created by your body, should just about reduce the current flowing into your watch to a level that will charge the battery in about half a second... once you're in coma mode, your watch should stay charged by the pulse of electricity flowing through your body.

Just make sure you keep a sign next to you that warns people not to nudge you in the morning. And, hopefully you'll come out of your deep sleep mode when the watch pulses.

This charging mode is not recommended for those who sweat in their sleep... Water and electricity are rarely good bedmates.

Genius.

The future of charging.

A logistical issue arises though: how will we ensure that our toe will remain in the bed for the entire night? Will we need to have special toe-jamming electric sockets developed, that will need to be Apple certified?

 

[matrix07]

Look in the Apple App Store for iOS. Application is "Sleep Cycle". Developer is "Northcube AB".

The app monitors your movement and can tell when you are in REM... and wakes you when you are not in REM.

The default is to wake you no later than your specified wake up time... and up to 30 minutes prior depending on your cycle. So for example... if you want to wake up at 7:00a... it will wake you up some time between 6:30 and 7:00. This is configurable.

If you tap on the phone, it will snooze. The snooze interval is indeterminate... but gets shorter as you approach the absolute wake-up time. So in my example... once it is 7:00, it is not capable of being snoozed any longer.

The music is all very pleasant, but it is amazing how effective it is. As time goes on... it slowly gets louder. Eventually, it will start vibrating as well, and you can feel in in the bed. The default music can be replaced with your own (if I remember right). I like the collection of music they provide. Very new age and pleasant to wake up to.

It really is quite effective, with the obvious disadvantage that you need to place it under the sheets (face down) so it can monitor your sleep. I think the reason for being face down is so that you do not hit the home button and kill the app, which runs all night.

Maybe if this app is updated for the apple watch... I could leave my iPhone docked on my nightstand, and the watch could provide the motion sensor data. Of course, this is speculation on my part.

/Jim

First night success!

This's beginning to have me questioning my plan to buy iPhone dock. Why docking it when it can be THIS useful just lying on the bed next to me?
And this is much simpler than wearing anything to sleep. One problem solved for the watch.

 

[flynz4]

First night success!

This's beginning to have me questioning my plan to buy iPhone dock. Why docking it when it can be THIS useful just lying on the bed next to me?
And this is much simpler than wearing anything to sleep. One problem solved for the watch.

Did you just lay it on the bed, or did you put it under the fitted sheet? Reading up on it... it seems that it now also runs in the background... so there is no danger of it not going off even if the home button is hit.

I also saw that it now supports Hue lighting. I wonder how programable that is. I would like room lights to slowly increase starting 1 hour prior to my wake up time, simulating daybreak.

/Jim

 

[Nermal]

Also, that thing is chunky. Can't imagine it would be very comfortable if I rolled onto it with my face.

I wear a chunkier watch (G-Shock) when I sleep and it hasn't been a problem

 

[matrix07]

Did you just lay it on the bed, or did you put it under the fitted sheet? Reading up on it... it seems that it now also runs in the background... so there is no danger of it not going off even if the home button is hit.

I also saw that it now supports Hue lighting. I wonder how programable that is. I would like room lights to slowly increase starting 1 hour prior to my wake up time, simulating daybreak.

/Jim

I didn't put it in the sheet. There's a test you can do. If your movement registered the app will make a sound. I tested it with the phone laying flat on the sheet and the app made a sound every time I moved, so no need for sheet covering.

 

[flyinmac]

Not sure I like the idea of sleeping with a very expensive watch on... I might damage it.

Also, that thing is chunky. Can't imagine it would be very comfortable if I rolled onto it with my face.

Actually, the bigger problem is that it's not waterproof... hope you don't drool in your sleep

 

[farmkittie]

Tim Cook's most recent comment said he expects you'd be charging it daily. Of course without knowing how long it takes to charge the assumption is you'd charge it at night while sleeping. Which makes Ive's comment confusing as how is it waking you up if it's on a stand charging? It would be awesome if it charged fast enough that you could charge when you get home before you go to bed, wear it to bed and then charge it again in the morning before you leave for the day. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

He probably has many Apple Watches so that means all he needs is to wear one at night that has a charge and switch to another in the morning. I bet Apple hopes we all buy more than one. They definitely want to buy lots of bands to accessorize it.