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Smoking

Do you smoke?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 17.7%

  • No

    Votes: 87 66.9%

  • Used to, but gave it up

    Votes: 20 15.4%
  • Total voters
    130
mactastic said:
Not different enough. It's still a risk you are taking that I shouldn't have to pay for. Why should I have to pay for care for someone who has willingly engaged in an activity that is known to have a high risk of injury factor associated with it?
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If I remember correctly, the UK health service will not pay for smoking related injuries (?) if the person is a continuing smoker. i.e. - why treat someone for lung cancer if they're continuing to smoke.
 
I do like the warning labels on packs of smokes in the UK.
It's much less pansy than in the US.

Basically "SMOKING KILLS" versus "Smoking harms you and those around you".
 
I have an advert somewhere with Death™ brand cigarettes. Naturally a British based company, it would never fly in the US. Very clever, taglines something along the lines of, "you know they're going to kill you, you might as well enjoy the ride."
 
Black&Tan said:
I have an advert somewhere with Death™ brand cigarettes. Naturally a British based company, it would never fly in the US. Very clever, taglines something along the lines of, "you know they're going to kill you, you might as well enjoy the ride."
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I smoked those on occasion. Not very good cigs, but better than GPCs.
 
ARRRGHHH!!!

I want to quit soooo bad!!!!

seriously....being addicted sucks....life is what happens in between ciggs...

I could literally just sit and smoke....one after the other....I think about smokes....always...

How the F am I gonna quit...I'm am soo hooked..been smoking for half my life now...

i've heard about some wacky ways to quit...like pills, or electo therapy..and of course the patch, and gum...

when I quit, it is gonna have to be cold turkey...none of this "once in a while bs.." I want to HATE ciggs, HATE the way they smell....instead of being like that shark from finding nemo when he smells blood....

I figure when i quit, i'll have to quit coffee, booze and maybe even herb....cuz all three make the urge to smoke unbearable....I'd quit eating too if it wouldn't kill me to do so....after eating...well U smokers know....

I like success stories, and I've read a few....any more?
 
quigleybc said:
I like success stories, and I've read a few....any more?
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My boyfriend suggests to his friends (who want to quit) to wait until a) you're sure and ready you want to quit (duh), and b) you're sick. He found that when he was sick, his body couldn't handle the smoking so he already had cut back quite a bit, and he used that as a foundation for quitting. :shrug: Dunno if that's of any help or not...
 
clayj said:
But I support the right of others to smoke, as long as they do so responsibly (e.g., not inside with their kids) and as long as they are willing to accept responsibility for their actions (e.g., don't ask me to pay for your lung transplant because you smoked).
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Here in the UK (where a pack of 20 costs around 6.00 pounds, or $11.00!!), smoking related illnesses are estimated to cost the health service 1.5 billion pounds per annum. However, you have to offset that against the 7 billion pounds raised in tobacco tax. In other words, far from smokers costing the health service money, they are massive net contributors to the public purse...

FWIW, I've smoked for 20 odd years, and have no intention of stopping any time soon. I haven't smoked indoors since my wife became pregnant though, and never smoke near my kid.
 
Phil A. said:
Here in the UK (where a pack of 20 costs around 6.00 pounds, or $11.00!!), smoking related illnesses are estimated to cost the health service 1.5 billion pounds per annum. However, you have to offset that against the 7 billion pounds raised in tobacco tax. In other words, far from smokers costing the health service money, they are massive net contributors to the public purse...

FWIW, I've smoked for 20 odd years, and have no intention of stopping any time soon. I haven't smoked indoors since my wife became pregnant though, and never smoke near my kid.
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to tell you the turth you are a little wrong there. I dont remember the exact study or the number but it was goverment study I beleive in the US (I got back in heath class and that was like 7-8 years ago in HS).

but the basic of it is the cost the goverment more in the extra heath cost of the average smoker than they collect in taxes and I want to say almost 2 times as much. That extra ammount is compare to the average cost for a non-smoker.
So if no on smoke it would save the goverment more money they they where collecting in those extra taxes.
 
clayj said:
But I support the right of others to smoke, as long as they do so responsibly

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I also support the right of private businesses such as restaurants and bars to make their OWN policies regarding smoking in their establishments.

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Oh, and people who sue tobacco companies because they contracted cancer after smoking for however long should be thrown out on the curb and held responsible for court costs.
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You make some good points.

Been around smokers most of my life. It's definitely addicting and a hard habit to quit.

Here in Japan, smoking is still very popular. You can smoke in almost every restaurant. I do find myself avoiding those where smoke is heavy.
 
Timepass said:
to tell you the turth you are a little wrong there. I dont remember the exact study or the number but it was goverment study I beleive in the US (I got back in heath class and that was like 7-8 years ago in HS).

but the basic of it is the cost the goverment more in the extra heath cost of the average smoker than they collect in taxes and I want to say almost 2 times as much. That extra ammount is compare to the average cost for a non-smoker.
So if no on smoke it would save the goverment more money they they where collecting in those extra taxes.
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It depends on the level of taxation - it's a fact that UK tobacco taxation raises over 7 billion GBP per annum, and the government's own figures show that smoking related illnesses cost the NHS approximately 1.5 billion GBP per annum.
As I said, we're very heavily taxed in the UK - countries that tax tobacco less would have different figures.
 
Josh said:
as I think all kids do,
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I have never touched one and never will not only for the health negatives but it killed/weakened by Grandma (who practically raised me) and it's slowly affecting my mom.

I don't care if my friends smoke (50% of them do) and they know better than to ask me, and they don't so :).
 
My father does, but not much in the house(once in a while when we have a fire in the fireplace, but my mom tells him to go outside)

I find it terrible habbit, paying to kill yourself, but i do think people should have the legal right to do it.Also store and other private bussiness should have the right to make there smoking laws, just like Geno's should be allowed to request all orders in English, its there bussiness, if they lose money its there own fault.
 
Black&Tan said:
I have an advert somewhere with Death™ brand cigarettes. Naturally a British based company, it would never fly in the US. Very clever, taglines something along the lines of, "you know they're going to kill you, you might as well enjoy the ride."
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actually i have seen those "Death" brand ciggys in the us ... black pack with a skull & crossbones
 
oh, how sweet cancer can be. when i lived in france i became quite partial to davidoff cigarettes, which are wholly unavailable in the states. nowadays i'm mostly a lucky strike kind of guy. smoking is a choice. i know the health risks. but i still do it. we're all gonna die someday. and that prospect doesn't scare me. i'd rather spend my days doing something i truly enjoy than sitting in a bubble trying to live forever. people should be making choices for themselves. i fail to see how the government has the right to try and impose jurisdiction over mortality. then again, euthanasia is still illegal. a failed attempt at suicide and they lock you up for the rest of your days claiming you're not of 'sound mind'. what an arbitrary distinction. personal choices that are inconsequential to others should be left at the discretion of the individual. simple as that. you wanna drop acid? fine by me. just don't go out driving and start killing pedestrians. :rolleyes:
 
As far as smoking goes I couldn't care less wtf people want to do. Fine, do it. Your choice.

As far as soapbox preaching goes, people who haven't had a serious addiction shouldn't preach about addiction. Talk to a recovered heroin addict about addiction and withdrawal. I have, and that s*** is F***ED UP.

I prefer a beer to a cigarette (never mind that I've never had a cigarette...), but that's just me.
 
jadekitty24 said:
Wow. I knew this thread would turn into a pile of dung.
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of course it would, we all knew it....

god forbid i do something other people dont like.... i am so sick and tired of people preaching to smokers....waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa.... keep your stinky smoke away from me.... waaa waaa waaa.....

dont get me wrong, i know smoke stinks to a non smoker, but you know what .... you have 2 legs just like i do... (unless yours have been amputated) so walk or roll away from my annoying second hand smoke...

i have many addictions, although i wont get into them here because i will get FLAMED by all the straight edgers who insist on telling ME how i should act, speak, spell, ....etc....

if i want to pop a vicodin or two for breakfast who are you to tell me what i can and cant do??? as long as i am not hurting you ar anyone else stay out of my personal life....

and dont give me all this BS about (waaaaa waaaa waaaa) all of us other americans will have to pay for rising health ins premiums because of people like you.... Take care of your own and i will worry about my own....

rant over......

out...............................
 
Sorry but, the way I see it- we all do risky things every day. Most of those things are what makes life interesting and/or bearable! We can argue to death about what things should be paid for and whatnot. But at the end of the day, we all do things that no one else should have to pay for- whether it be skydiving, smoking, driving a car, having sex, eating too much, whatever! Get over it people! You're going to die someday no matter what. You can sit here and worry about it day after day or just enjoy your life. Truth is- nobody knows how much time they have. You can worry, worry and insulate yourself in a plastic bubble and guess what? You're still going to die. Go out, have fun and enjoy life as much as you can, because it's too damn short.

And I don't smoke anymore. I'm a non-smoker now, so can it! And I didn't quit for my health or your comfort. I quit because I can no longer afford it. Oh by the way, my blood pressure has actually gone up since I quit.
 
jadekitty24 said:
Wow. I knew this thread would turn into a pile of dung.
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I actually believe I was right in saying it directly from the start...it's just going up in smoke. :D
 
We talk about the health consiquinces, and the problems smoking causes to those around you, but how about stupid things, like the fact that your teeth turn yellow, and you allways smell like smoke, and alot of people who smoke feel pretty gross when they dont.

I'm a non-smoker, and will allways be. But my question is, why put thousands of dollars a year into something that is addictive and is killing you? I believe in rights for everyone, but (and i know this is a horrible and will become a controversial analogy), you have to go to a firing range to shoot a gun that probably wont hurt someone but might, so why isnt it ok for you to have to go somewhere special to smoke, which probably wont hurt someone but might?


Plus the fact that i think smoking is just plain disgusting.

However, i have nothing against the smoker themselves, just the decisions theyve made. And i greatly commend those who have quit.
 
Sammis89 said:
so why isnt it ok for you to have to go somewhere special to smoke, which probably wont hurt someone but might?
Plus the fact that i think smoking is just plain disgusting.
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would be just as easy for you to go somewhere where i am not smoking ;)

look i am not going to argue about this all night.... fact of the matter is i know smoking is not good for me and i would like to quit sometime soon....

but the fact of the matter is, smoking ciggs is not illegal and i can smoke wherever i want (as long as im not in a restaurant in FLA)...

even then i have to go outside to smoke while at a restaurant or bar to smoke.... guess where they set up the smokers lounges.... at the front door so all the non smokers can walk by and make comments about how i am a disgusting smoker! .... get over it and get yourself a gas mask if its such a concern for you... (maybe it will keep the avian flu, mad cow disease, and the ebola virus from killing you as well :p )

i even once had an old lady in ohio yell at me for smoking at the table next to her in the "SMOKING SECTION" of a bar! i proceded to light up 5 giggs at the same time and blow the smoke at her and her husband the whole time they ate dinner :rolleyes: .... now im usually a pretty nice guy.... but if smoke bothers you that much.... move the the GIANT non-smoking section of the restaurant....

Audi Five Thoudi....
 
Sammis89 said:
We talk about the health consiquinces, and the problems smoking causes to those around you, but how about stupid things, like the fact that your teeth turn yellow
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ever heard of brushing your teeth? i have been smoking for years and my teeth are pearly white.....


coffee turns your teeth brown.... do you drink any?
 
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